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kalm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am
I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well.

Here's one accusation...

An FBI witness says that members of the far-right Proud Boys had hoped to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi during last week's violent storming of the U.S. Capitol.

An FBI special agent made the claim in an affidavit as part of a criminal complaint against 43-year-old Dominic Pezzola, who is accused of taking part in the riot in support of President Donald Trump's false claims that the presidential election was "stolen." Pezzola, who is also known as "Spaz," allegedly used a shield taken from a Capitol Police officer to smash a Capitol window before entering the building. An FBI witness said that the group Pezzola was with had discussed committing violent acts that went far beyond property damage.

"[The witness] stated that other members of the group talked about things that they had done during the day, and they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."

"The group said it would be returning on the '20th,' which your affiant takes to mean the Presidential Inauguration scheduled for January 20, 2021," it continues. "And that they plan to kill every single 'm-fer' they can. [The witness] stated the men said they all had firearms or access to firearms."

https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-int ... 1610753987

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:18 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 pm

Here's one accusation...



https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-int ... 1610753987

Sounds like a false flag setting up taking peoples firearms in violation of the 2nd amendment.

kalm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:47 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:18 pm

Sounds like a false flag setting up taking peoples firearms in violation of the 2nd amendment.

Sure.

kalm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am
I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well.

Here's one accusation...

An FBI witness says that members of the far-right Proud Boys had hoped to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi during last week's violent storming of the U.S. Capitol.

An FBI special agent made the claim in an affidavit as part of a criminal complaint against 43-year-old Dominic Pezzola, who is accused of taking part in the riot in support of President Donald Trump's false claims that the presidential election was "stolen." Pezzola, who is also known as "Spaz," allegedly used a shield taken from a Capitol Police officer to smash a Capitol window before entering the building. An FBI witness said that the group Pezzola was with had discussed committing violent acts that went far beyond property damage.

"[The witness] stated that other members of the group talked about things that they had done during the day, and they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."

"The group said it would be returning on the '20th,' which your affiant takes to mean the Presidential Inauguration scheduled for January 20, 2021," it continues. "And that they plan to kill every single 'm-fer' they can. [The witness] stated the men said they all had firearms or access to firearms."

https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-int ... 1610753987

BDKJMU wrote:

GannonFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:12 pm I don't know, I think the mob attack on the capitol building was worse than any of the BLM violence simply because it struck at the very heart of where and how our government functions (or at least makes the appearance of functioning) and if that were to be derailed by an assault it would have significant ramifications for the nation. I don't mean to devalue a family or a person losing a business that got looted and burned because they had the misfortune of being in the area of a BLM protest/riot, but the magnitude to the country is certainly different to the two. Make no mistake, all riots and all violence from these "protests" are bad, and politicians of all stripes have not done the job they should to not only denounce the riots but to also avoid encouraging them, but I think you can rank an attack on our nations ability to govern a little higher than others.

They attacked a building full of crooks, liars, and thieves..

Ibanez wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:52 pm

BDKJMU wrote: They attacked a building full of crooks, liars, and thieves..

How many of those crooks, liars and thieves did you vote for? Pence was there so we have 1. Who else?


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BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:32 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 pm

Here's one accusation...



https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-int ... 1610753987

I quit reading right there, like I have every supposed news article that is editorializing by failing to include "allegedly" before "false claims" or "baseless claims".

kalm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:29 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:32 pm
I quit reading right there, like I have every supposed news article that is editorializing by failing to include "allegedly" before "false claims" or "baseless claims".

You still think the election was stolen?

kalm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:29 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:32 pm
I quit reading right there, like I have every supposed news article that is editorializing by failing to include "allegedly" before "false claims" or "baseless claims".

You still think the election was stolen?

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:59 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:29 pm
You still think the election was stolen?

Yes.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:17 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:59 pm
Yes.

Provide proof or it didn't happen.

kalm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am
I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well.

Here's one accusation...

An FBI witness says that members of the far-right Proud Boys had hoped to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi during last week's violent storming of the U.S. Capitol.

An FBI special agent made the claim in an affidavit as part of a criminal complaint against 43-year-old Dominic Pezzola, who is accused of taking part in the riot in support of President Donald Trump's false claims that the presidential election was "stolen." Pezzola, who is also known as "Spaz," allegedly used a shield taken from a Capitol Police officer to smash a Capitol window before entering the building. An FBI witness said that the group Pezzola was with had discussed committing violent acts that went far beyond property damage.

"[The witness] stated that other members of the group talked about things that they had done during the day, and they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."

"The group said it would be returning on the '20th,' which your affiant takes to mean the Presidential Inauguration scheduled for January 20, 2021," it continues. "And that they plan to kill every single 'm-fer' they can. [The witness] stated the men said they all had firearms or access to firearms."

https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-int ... 1610753987

kalm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am
I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well.

Here's one accusation...

An FBI witness says that members of the far-right Proud Boys had hoped to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi during last week's violent storming of the U.S. Capitol.

An FBI special agent made the claim in an affidavit as part of a criminal complaint against 43-year-old Dominic Pezzola, who is accused of taking part in the riot in support of President Donald Trump's false claims that the presidential election was "stolen." Pezzola, who is also known as "Spaz," allegedly used a shield taken from a Capitol Police officer to smash a Capitol window before entering the building. An FBI witness said that the group Pezzola was with had discussed committing violent acts that went far beyond property damage.

"[The witness] stated that other members of the group talked about things that they had done during the day, and they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."

"The group said it would be returning on the '20th,' which your affiant takes to mean the Presidential Inauguration scheduled for January 20, 2021," it continues. "And that they plan to kill every single 'm-fer' they can. [The witness] stated the men said they all had firearms or access to firearms."

https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-int ... 1610753987

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am

kalm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:41 am

I don’t know of ALL the exaggerations about Trumpers. Are you suggesting every parallel to 20th century fascism is bullshit?
There’s been quite a few comments made including some that I cringe at. Simply throwing the term Nazi out there can be lazy...no question.

Wearing Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE jerseys to a hostile takeover of the capital where the people around you are threatening and attempting to kill cops (and literally doing it) as well as threatening to kill political leaders and justifying it by trying to overturn free and fair election results, might just cast one’s efforts in a bad historical light....Regardless of AOC’s feelings on liberating the south (she’s kind of right in that video and we can wait for her calls to violence and forced re-education camps I guess) and regardless of lefty violence from last year.

Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht? Egads! By all means, let’s ignore historical tie ins to fascism or else the Democratic Workers Socialist Party will come knocking! We shall them fight on the beaches! No wait...I’m now confusing historical alliances.

Violence and vandalism are wrong (yes, Sparky...on all sides). They both reside in a spectrum and the truth to me is more important than balance. If observing Nazi behavior and apparel makes you uncomfortable, good!

Now...someone answer my question from the other thread.

IF the capital seditionists (oops...sorry...another bullshit label) had been able to confront Pence, Pelosi, AOC (you know...all the poor farmers who threaten to violently overthrow the intellectual bureaucrats from the South) what do you think those Toby Keith concert T wearing intellectuals would have done next? Incarcerate? Strongly debate under Robert’s Rules?

Serious question.

I don't think the comparison of Trump and his sycophants is bullshit but I do think it's exaggerated. He's a tinpot dictator wannabe. As I've said, I was and am less concerned about an American putsch to overthrow the election than I am about the long-term covert and insidious attempts to move the US toward socialism.

Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE shirts are despicable and I condemn anyone that wears them. I also condemn anyone that wears a Che shirt and or clothes with images of Stalin and Mao on them like the Portland mayoral candidate. I also condemn Ilhan Omar and other anti-semites. I try to be consistent in my condemnation of antisemitism and hate and not just focus on the alt-right.

My claims about AOC and the reeducation camps are no more exaggerated than claims that Trump is a fascist. She is right, conservatives are wrong and anybody under their boot needs to be liberated. She sits in her insulated urban bubble, lacks understanding of middle America and disregards and disrespects its culture. Her ideology is her religion and she is as self-righteous as any evangelical.

The question isn't "Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht?" It's which is the bigger threat to the long-term future of the US. Liberals run around like chickens screaming about Kristallnacht when the risk of a Red August is just as great if not greater. Socialism has benefited from a PR campaign that has made it acceptable and even desirable (see Portland mayoral candidate) yet no one can tell me how it's going to work this time when it's past is littered with failures.

I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well. What would have happened to the people in the Portland courthouse if AnTiFa had breached the building? Why are you critical of the alt-right and its supporters trying to control the narrative of the Capital protests (patriots vs. seditionists) when I didn't see your criticism of the ctrl-left and its supporters for doing the same thing in Portland, Seattle, etc. (peaceful protesters vs. rioters and looters)?

The double standard is part of why the alt-right is angry.

houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:04 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am

I don't think the comparison of Trump and his sycophants is bullshit but I do think it's exaggerated. He's a tinpot dictator wannabe. As I've said, I was and am less concerned about an American putsch to overthrow the election than I am about the long-term covert and insidious attempts to move the US toward socialism.

Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE shirts are despicable and I condemn anyone that wears them. I also condemn anyone that wears a Che shirt and or clothes with images of Stalin and Mao on them like the Portland mayoral candidate. I also condemn Ilhan Omar and other anti-semites. I try to be consistent in my condemnation of antisemitism and hate and not just focus on the alt-right.

My claims about AOC and the reeducation camps are no more exaggerated than claims that Trump is a fascist. She is right, conservatives are wrong and anybody under their boot needs to be liberated. She sits in her insulated urban bubble, lacks understanding of middle America and disregards and disrespects its culture. Her ideology is her religion and she is as self-righteous as any evangelical.

The question isn't "Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht?" It's which is the bigger threat to the long-term future of the US. Liberals run around like chickens screaming about Kristallnacht when the risk of a Red August is just as great if not greater. Socialism has benefited from a PR campaign that has made it acceptable and even desirable (see Portland mayoral candidate) yet no one can tell me how it's going to work this time when it's past is littered with failures.

I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well. What would have happened to the people in the Portland courthouse if AnTiFa had breached the building? Why are you critical of the alt-right and its supporters trying to control the narrative of the Capital protests (patriots vs. seditionists) when I didn't see your criticism of the ctrl-left and its supporters for doing the same thing in Portland, Seattle, etc. (peaceful protesters vs. rioters and looters)?

The double standard is part of why the alt-right is angry.

Do you think shitting on the floors and wiping it on the walls was an improvised plan because they didn't want to cross the line and take a knee?

houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:04 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am

I don't think the comparison of Trump and his sycophants is bullshit but I do think it's exaggerated. He's a tinpot dictator wannabe. As I've said, I was and am less concerned about an American putsch to overthrow the election than I am about the long-term covert and insidious attempts to move the US toward socialism.

Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE shirts are despicable and I condemn anyone that wears them. I also condemn anyone that wears a Che shirt and or clothes with images of Stalin and Mao on them like the Portland mayoral candidate. I also condemn Ilhan Omar and other anti-semites. I try to be consistent in my condemnation of antisemitism and hate and not just focus on the alt-right.

My claims about AOC and the reeducation camps are no more exaggerated than claims that Trump is a fascist. She is right, conservatives are wrong and anybody under their boot needs to be liberated. She sits in her insulated urban bubble, lacks understanding of middle America and disregards and disrespects its culture. Her ideology is her religion and she is as self-righteous as any evangelical.

The question isn't "Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht?" It's which is the bigger threat to the long-term future of the US. Liberals run around like chickens screaming about Kristallnacht when the risk of a Red August is just as great if not greater. Socialism has benefited from a PR campaign that has made it acceptable and even desirable (see Portland mayoral candidate) yet no one can tell me how it's going to work this time when it's past is littered with failures.

I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well. What would have happened to the people in the Portland courthouse if AnTiFa had breached the building? Why are you critical of the alt-right and its supporters trying to control the narrative of the Capital protests (patriots vs. seditionists) when I didn't see your criticism of the ctrl-left and its supporters for doing the same thing in Portland, Seattle, etc. (peaceful protesters vs. rioters and looters)?

The double standard is part of why the alt-right is angry.

Do you think shitting on the floors and wiping it on the walls was an improvised plan because they didn't want to cross the line and take a knee?

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:09 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:04 am

Do you think shitting on the floors and wiping it on the walls was an improvised plan because they didn't want to cross the line and take a knee?

Where is shitting on the floors (and sidewalks) more likely to occur?

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:18 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:09 am
Where is shitting on the floors (and sidewalks) more likely to occur?

Not in normal America.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:01 am

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:18 am

Not in normal America.

So San Francisco isn't normal America?

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:05 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:01 am
So San Francisco isn't normal America?

Umm no.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:12 am

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:05 am

Umm no.

Well they shit on the streets of San Francisco and other liberal cities. Liberals are great at ideas but they kind of suck at the reality and actual governing part.

kalm wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:15 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:12 am
Well they shit on the streets of San Francisco and other liberal cities. Liberals are great at ideas but they kind of suck at the reality and actual governing part.

You’re trying too hard.

This one hits real close to home. Sadly, most of these folks were Trump supporters.

Also, fuck CMR and her ring kissing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spokes ... ontent=amp

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:09 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:04 am

Do you think shitting on the floors and wiping it on the walls was an improvised plan because they didn't want to cross the line and take a knee?

Where is shitting on the floors (and sidewalks) more likely to occur?

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:18 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 pm

Here's one accusation...



https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-int ... 1610753987

Sounds like a false flag setting up taking peoples firearms in violation of the 2nd amendment.

houndawg wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:06 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:09 am
Where is shitting on the floors (and sidewalks) more likely to occur?

on the floors, sidewalks and streets of liberal cities like San Francisco