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If we're going to be over the top about Trump and his supporters being Nazis, it's only fair to exaggerate the ctrl-left and their plans for a Cultural Revolution, Dekulakization, collectivization and worse.

AOC: Nation Can Only Heal Once ‘Oppressed’ Southern States Are ‘Liberated’
Which means the only way that our country’s going to heal is through the actual liberation of southern states
Liberation is just a code word. She wants to send more conservative and frequently rural residents to urban re-education camps (a reverse Cultural Revolution).
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No bites from Korporal Kalmmie, Jelly or anyone else? Can't tell me how my exaggeration is BS and all of the exaggerations about Trumpers being Nazis isn't?
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AOC is great at saying the quiet part out loud. No one should be questioning the Marxist rhetoric that is coming from her and the Leftists. We are already seeing critical race theory indoctrination hitting schools.
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SDHornet wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:35 pm AOC is great at saying the quiet part out loud. No one should be questioning the Marxist rhetoric that is coming from her and the Leftists. We are already seeing critical race theory indoctrination hitting schools.
Uh, CRT has been the standard for a good two decades now. That's not even controversial anymore in academia.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:02 pm
SDHornet wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:35 pm AOC is great at saying the quiet part out loud. No one should be questioning the Marxist rhetoric that is coming from her and the Leftists. We are already seeing critical race theory indoctrination hitting schools.
Uh, CRT has been the standard for a good two decades now. That's not even controversial anymore in academia.
I know, but some out there deny it's prevalence.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:32 pm No bites from Korporal Kalmmie, Jelly or anyone else? Can't tell me how my exaggeration is BS and all of the exaggerations about Trumpers being Nazis isn't?
Well it’s kind of apparent.

I’ve been picking up Thai and an anniversary gift and trying to explain to my snot nosed kid that not all Republicans are bad and how ideological balance is a big part of American exceptionalism.

But I’ll try and help you along when I have more time.
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kalm wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:52 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:32 pm No bites from Korporal Kalmmie, Jelly or anyone else? Can't tell me how my exaggeration is BS and all of the exaggerations about Trumpers being Nazis isn't?
Well it’s kind of apparent to a partisan liberal hack just like the opposite is apparent to a partisan conservative hack.

I’ve been picking up tofu and an anniversary gift to commemorate AOC's 2 years in Congress, finishing re-education camp guard orientation and trying to explain to my snot nosed kid that not all Republicans are bad and how ideological balance is a big part of American exceptionalism.

But I’ll try and help you along when I have more time.
Thanks!

I'd also appreciate it if you'd put in a good word for me after I send the AnTiFa goon squad sent to detain me floating down the Columbia. :D
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:32 pm No bites from Korporal Kalmmie, Jelly or anyone else? Can't tell me how my exaggeration is BS and all of the exaggerations about Trumpers being Nazis isn't?
I don’t know of ALL the exaggerations about Trumpers. Are you suggesting every parallel to 20th century fascism is bullshit?
There’s been quite a few comments made including some that I cringe at. Simply throwing the term Nazi out there can be lazy...no question.

Wearing Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE jerseys to a hostile takeover of the capital where the people around you are threatening and attempting to kill cops (and literally doing it) as well as threatening to kill political leaders and justifying it by trying to overturn free and fair election results, might just cast one’s efforts in a bad historical light....Regardless of AOC’s feelings on liberating the south (she’s kind of right in that video and we can wait for her calls to violence and forced re-education camps I guess) and regardless of lefty violence from last year.

Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht? Egads! By all means, let’s ignore historical tie ins to fascism or else the Democratic Workers Socialist Party will come knocking! We shall them fight on the beaches! No wait...I’m now confusing historical alliances.

Violence and vandalism are wrong (yes, Sparky...on all sides). They both reside in a spectrum and the truth to me is more important than balance. If observing Nazi behavior and apparel makes you uncomfortable, good!

Now...someone answer my question from the other thread.

IF the capital seditionists (oops...sorry...another bullshit label) had been able to confront Pence, Pelosi, AOC (you know...all the poor farmers who threaten to violently overthrow the intellectual bureaucrats from the South) what do you think those Toby Keith concert T wearing intellectuals would have done next? Incarcerate? Strongly debate under Robert’s Rules?

Serious question.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:36 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:52 pm

Well it’s kind of apparent to a partisan liberal hack just like the opposite is apparent to a partisan conservative hack.

I’ve been picking up tofu and an anniversary gift to commemorate AOC's 2 years in Congress, finishing re-education camp guard orientation and trying to explain to my snot nosed kid that not all Republicans are bad and how ideological balance is a big part of American exceptionalism.

But I’ll try and help you along when I have more time.
Thanks!

I'd also appreciate it if you'd put in a good word for me after I send the AnTiFa goon squad sent to detain me floating down the Columbia. :D
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kalm wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:41 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:32 pm No bites from Korporal Kalmmie, Jelly or anyone else? Can't tell me how my exaggeration is BS and all of the exaggerations about Trumpers being Nazis isn't?
I don’t know of ALL the exaggerations about Trumpers. Are you suggesting every parallel to 20th century fascism is bullshit?
There’s been quite a few comments made including some that I cringe at. Simply throwing the term Nazi out there can be lazy...no question.

Wearing Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE jerseys to a hostile takeover of the capital where the people around you are threatening and attempting to kill cops (and literally doing it) as well as threatening to kill political leaders and justifying it by trying to overturn free and fair election results, might just cast one’s efforts in a bad historical light....Regardless of AOC’s feelings on liberating the south (she’s kind of right in that video and we can wait for her calls to violence and forced re-education camps I guess) and regardless of lefty violence from last year.

Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht? Egads! By all means, let’s ignore historical tie ins to fascism or else the Democratic Workers Socialist Party will come knocking! We shall them fight on the beaches! No wait...I’m now confusing historical alliances.

Violence and vandalism are wrong (yes, Sparky...on all sides). They both reside in a spectrum and the truth to me is more important than balance. If observing Nazi behavior and apparel makes you uncomfortable, good!

Now...someone answer my question from the other thread.

IF the capital seditionists (oops...sorry...another bullshit label) had been able to confront Pence, Pelosi, AOC (you know...all the poor farmers who threaten to violently overthrow the intellectual bureaucrats from the South) what do you think those Toby Keith concert T wearing intellectuals would have done next? Incarcerate? Strongly debate under Robert’s Rules?

Serious question.
I don't think the comparison of Trump and his sycophants is bullshit but I do think it's exaggerated. He's a tinpot dictator wannabe. As I've said, I was and am less concerned about an American putsch to overthrow the election than I am about the long-term covert and insidious attempts to move the US toward socialism.

Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE shirts are despicable and I condemn anyone that wears them. I also condemn anyone that wears a Che shirt and or clothes with images of Stalin and Mao on them like the Portland mayoral candidate. I also condemn Ilhan Omar and other anti-semites. I try to be consistent in my condemnation of antisemitism and hate and not just focus on the alt-right.

My claims about AOC and the reeducation camps are no more exaggerated than claims that Trump is a fascist. She is right, conservatives are wrong and anybody under their boot needs to be liberated. She sits in her insulated urban bubble, lacks understanding of middle America and disregards and disrespects its culture. Her ideology is her religion and she is as self-righteous as any evangelical.

The question isn't "Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht?" It's which is the bigger threat to the long-term future of the US. Liberals run around like chickens screaming about Kristallnacht when the risk of a Red August is just as great if not greater. Socialism has benefited from a PR campaign that has made it acceptable and even desirable (see Portland mayoral candidate) yet no one can tell me how it's going to work this time when it's past is littered with failures.

I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well. What would have happened to the people in the Portland courthouse if AnTiFa had breached the building? Why are you critical of the alt-right and its supporters trying to control the narrative of the Capital protests (patriots vs. seditionists) when I didn't see your criticism of the ctrl-left and its supporters for doing the same thing in Portland, Seattle, etc. (peaceful protesters vs. rioters and looters)?

The double standard is part of why the alt-right is angry.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:41 am

I don’t know of ALL the exaggerations about Trumpers. Are you suggesting every parallel to 20th century fascism is bullshit?
There’s been quite a few comments made including some that I cringe at. Simply throwing the term Nazi out there can be lazy...no question.

Wearing Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE jerseys to a hostile takeover of the capital where the people around you are threatening and attempting to kill cops (and literally doing it) as well as threatening to kill political leaders and justifying it by trying to overturn free and fair election results, might just cast one’s efforts in a bad historical light....Regardless of AOC’s feelings on liberating the south (she’s kind of right in that video and we can wait for her calls to violence and forced re-education camps I guess) and regardless of lefty violence from last year.

Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht? Egads! By all means, let’s ignore historical tie ins to fascism or else the Democratic Workers Socialist Party will come knocking! We shall them fight on the beaches! No wait...I’m now confusing historical alliances.

Violence and vandalism are wrong (yes, Sparky...on all sides). They both reside in a spectrum and the truth to me is more important than balance. If observing Nazi behavior and apparel makes you uncomfortable, good!

Now...someone answer my question from the other thread.

IF the capital seditionists (oops...sorry...another bullshit label) had been able to confront Pence, Pelosi, AOC (you know...all the poor farmers who threaten to violently overthrow the intellectual bureaucrats from the South) what do you think those Toby Keith concert T wearing intellectuals would have done next? Incarcerate? Strongly debate under Robert’s Rules?

Serious question.
I don't think the comparison of Trump and his sycophants is bullshit but I do think it's exaggerated. He's a tinpot dictator wannabe. As I've said, I was and am less concerned about an American putsch to overthrow the election than I am about the long-term covert and insidious attempts to move the US toward socialism.

Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE shirts are despicable and I condemn anyone that wears them. I also condemn anyone that wears a Che shirt and or clothes with images of Stalin and Mao on them like the Portland mayoral candidate. I also condemn Ilhan Omar and other anti-semites. I try to be consistent in my condemnation of antisemitism and hate and not just focus on the alt-right.

My claims about AOC and the reeducation camps are no more exaggerated than claims that Trump is a fascist. She is right, conservatives are wrong and anybody under their boot needs to be liberated. She sits in her insulated urban bubble, lacks understanding of middle America and disregards and disrespects its culture. Her ideology is her religion and she is as self-righteous as any evangelical.

The question isn't "Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht?" It's which is the bigger threat to the long-term future of the US. Liberals run around like chickens screaming about Kristallnacht when the risk of a Red August is just as great if not greater. Socialism has benefited from a PR campaign that has made it acceptable and even desirable (see Portland mayoral candidate) yet no one can tell me how it's going to work this time when it's past is littered with failures.

I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well. What would have happened to the people in the Portland courthouse if AnTiFa had breached the building? Why are you critical of the alt-right and its supporters trying to control the narrative of the Capital protests (patriots vs. seditionists) when I didn't see your criticism of the ctrl-left and its supporters for doing the same thing in Portland, Seattle, etc. (peaceful protesters vs. rioters and looters)?

The double standard is part of why the alt-right is angry.
So you want to make sure everyone is condemning Russian ideology equally while the Nazi’s are countering in the Ardennes? :kisswink:

I criticized the race riots both from a violence and destruction of property standpoint and a social distancing standpoint. Perhaps not as aggressively as my criticisms now because 1) the motivation was different, 2) I didn’t feel that our nations democracy was under attack, and 3) less fucking Nazi’s.

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SDHornet wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:35 pm AOC is great at saying the quiet part out loud. No one should be questioning the Marxist rhetoric that is coming from her and the Leftists. We are already seeing critical race theory indoctrination hitting schools.
:rofl:

I'm all for a Republican/Democrat saying they want to flip a seat/flip a state. There's nothing controversial in that. That's just politics.

Having said that, the rhetoric here shouldn't come as a shock. She's a Democratic Socialist. Are we surprised she's saying this? She needs a good challenger.
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kalm wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:23 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am

I don't think the comparison of Trump and his sycophants is bullshit but I do think it's exaggerated. He's a tinpot dictator wannabe. As I've said, I was and am less concerned about an American putsch to overthrow the election than I am about the long-term covert and insidious attempts to move the US toward socialism.

Camp Aushwitz and 6MWNE shirts are despicable and I condemn anyone that wears them. I also condemn anyone that wears a Che shirt and or clothes with images of Stalin and Mao on them like the Portland mayoral candidate. I also condemn Ilhan Omar and other anti-semites. I try to be consistent in my condemnation of antisemitism and hate and not just focus on the alt-right.

My claims about AOC and the reeducation camps are no more exaggerated than claims that Trump is a fascist. She is right, conservatives are wrong and anybody under their boot needs to be liberated. She sits in her insulated urban bubble, lacks understanding of middle America and disregards and disrespects its culture. Her ideology is her religion and she is as self-righteous as any evangelical.

The question isn't "Is one side closer to a Red August than the other is to a Kristallnacht?" It's which is the bigger threat to the long-term future of the US. Liberals run around like chickens screaming about Kristallnacht when the risk of a Red August is just as great if not greater. Socialism has benefited from a PR campaign that has made it acceptable and even desirable (see Portland mayoral candidate) yet no one can tell me how it's going to work this time when it's past is littered with failures.

I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well. What would have happened to the people in the Portland courthouse if AnTiFa had breached the building? Why are you critical of the alt-right and its supporters trying to control the narrative of the Capital protests (patriots vs. seditionists) when I didn't see your criticism of the ctrl-left and its supporters for doing the same thing in Portland, Seattle, etc. (peaceful protesters vs. rioters and looters)?

The double standard is part of why the alt-right is angry.
So you want to make sure everyone is condemning Russian ideology equally while the Nazi’s are countering in the Ardennes? :kisswink:

I criticized the race riots both from a violence and destruction of property standpoint and a social distancing standpoint. Perhaps not as aggressively as my criticisms now because 1) the motivation was different, 2) I didn’t feel that our nations democracy was under attack, and 3) less fucking Nazi’s.

:lol:
To your credit, at least you are admitting to you double standard. That's a huge first step.
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SDHornet wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:49 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:23 am

So you want to make sure everyone is condemning Russian ideology equally while the Nazi’s are countering in the Ardennes? :kisswink:

I criticized the race riots both from a violence and destruction of property standpoint and a social distancing standpoint. Perhaps not as aggressively as my criticisms now because 1) the motivation was different, 2) I didn’t feel that our nations democracy was under attack, and 3) less fucking Nazi’s.

:lol:
To your credit, at least you are admitting to you double standard. That's a huge first step.
It would be sound be a double standard if they were the same. They’re not. :lol:
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kalm wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:53 am
SDHornet wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:49 am

To your credit, at least you are admitting to you double standard. That's a huge first step.
It would be sound be a double standard if they were the same. They’re not. :lol:
Political violence is political violence. It's really not that hard. :coffee:
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SDHornet wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:57 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:53 am
It would be sound be a double standard if they were the same. They’re not. :lol:
Political violence is political violence. It's really not that hard. :coffee:
No, they are different. Kalm however is focusing on the differences that make the Capital protests look worse (attack on the Capital, egged on by the POTUS, etc.) while ignoring or marginalizing the differences that make the BLM protests look worse (150+ days, magnitude of violence and property damage, etc.). Which protests people think were worse appears for many to be dependent on their politics rather than on an honest comparison of the two.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:16 am
SDHornet wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:57 am

Political violence is political violence. It's really not that hard. :coffee:
No, they are different. Kalm however is focusing on the differences that make the Capital protests look worse (attack on the Capital, egged on by the POTUS, etc.) while ignoring or marginalizing the differences that make the BLM protests look worse (150+ days, magnitude of violence and property damage, etc.). Which protests people think were worse appears for many to be dependent on their politics rather than on an honest comparison of the two.
I don't know, I think the mob attack on the capitol building was worse than any of the BLM violence simply because it struck at the very heart of where and how our government functions (or at least makes the appearance of functioning) and if that were to be derailed by an assault it would have significant ramifications for the nation. I don't mean to devalue a family or a person losing a business that got looted and burned because they had the misfortune of being in the area of a BLM protest/riot, but the magnitude to the country is certainly different to the two. Make no mistake, all riots and all violence from these "protests" are bad, and politicians of all stripes have not done the job they should to not only denounce the riots but to also avoid encouraging them, but I think you can rank an attack on our nations ability to govern a little higher than others.
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:12 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:16 am

No, they are different. Kalm however is focusing on the differences that make the Capital protests look worse (attack on the Capital, egged on by the POTUS, etc.) while ignoring or marginalizing the differences that make the BLM protests look worse (150+ days, magnitude of violence and property damage, etc.). Which protests people think were worse appears for many to be dependent on their politics rather than on an honest comparison of the two.
I don't know, I think the mob attack on the capitol building was worse than any of the BLM violence simply because it struck at the very heart of where and how our government functions (or at least makes the appearance of functioning) and if that were to be derailed by an assault it would have significant ramifications for the nation. I don't mean to devalue a family or a person losing a business that got looted and burned because they had the misfortune of being in the area of a BLM protest/riot, but the magnitude to the country is certainly different to the two. Make no mistake, all riots and all violence from these "protests" are bad, and politicians of all stripes have not done the job they should to not only denounce the riots but to also avoid encouraging them, but I think you can rank an attack on our nations ability to govern a little higher than others.
Absolutely this. :nod:

It's assigning value to different acts of violence with different motivations, cause for concern, and amount of damage. For example, if it's only a monetary valuation than the violence from this summer is of course far worse. Race riots, while costly are also far more common and an unfortunate occurrence that's seen world wide. We've survived and rebuilt after race riots. Cold civil wars that turn violent are at least as if not more concerning.

And yes, UNI, there are long term implications related to liberty and government authoritarianism. If you don't like authoritarianism, don't give them reasons to have to be authoritative. And no, I'm not suggesting compliance is always the answer either. Don't make me have to add this amendment to every post I refer to you in. :mrgreen:
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:12 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:16 am
No, they are different. Kalm however is focusing on the differences that make the Capital protests look worse (attack on the Capital, egged on by the POTUS, etc.) while ignoring or marginalizing the differences that make the BLM protests look worse (150+ days, magnitude of violence and property damage, etc.). Which protests people think were worse appears for many to be dependent on their politics rather than on an honest comparison of the two.
I don't know, I think the mob attack on the capitol building was worse than any of the BLM violence simply because it struck at the very heart of where and how our government functions (or at least makes the appearance of functioning) and if that were to be derailed by an assault it would have significant ramifications for the nation. I don't mean to devalue a family or a person losing a business that got looted and burned because they had the misfortune of being in the area of a BLM protest/riot, but the magnitude to the country is certainly different to the two. Make no mistake, all riots and all violence from these "protests" are bad, and politicians of all stripes have not done the job they should to not only denounce the riots but to also avoid encouraging them, but I think you can rank an attack on our nations ability to govern a little higher than others.
Arguing that they were worse is valid. Overall I agree with you that the Capital riots were worse but arguing that there is no comparison is partisan BS. Pretending that the Capital riots happened in a vacuum and that the BLM riots were not part of the sequence of events that led to the Capital riots is also partisan BS.

Trump and his supporters should own the Capital riots and their aftermath just like the supporters of the left should own the BLM riots and their aftermath. Whether we want to or not, we as a country have to own it all.

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GannonFan wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:12 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:16 am

No, they are different. Kalm however is focusing on the differences that make the Capital protests look worse (attack on the Capital, egged on by the POTUS, etc.) while ignoring or marginalizing the differences that make the BLM protests look worse (150+ days, magnitude of violence and property damage, etc.). Which protests people think were worse appears for many to be dependent on their politics rather than on an honest comparison of the two.
I don't know, I think the mob attack on the capitol building was worse than any of the BLM violence simply because it struck at the very heart of where and how our government functions (or at least makes the appearance of functioning) and if that were to be derailed by an assault it would have significant ramifications for the nation. I don't mean to devalue a family or a person losing a business that got looted and burned because they had the misfortune of being in the area of a BLM protest/riot, but the magnitude to the country is certainly different to the two. Make no mistake, all riots and all violence from these "protests" are bad, and politicians of all stripes have not done the job they should to not only denounce the riots but to also avoid encouraging them, but I think you can rank an attack on our nations ability to govern a little higher than others.
They attacked a building full of crooks, liars, and thieves..
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:21 pm
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I don't know, I think the mob attack on the capitol building was worse than any of the BLM violence simply because it struck at the very heart of where and how our government functions (or at least makes the appearance of functioning) and if that were to be derailed by an assault it would have significant ramifications for the nation. I don't mean to devalue a family or a person losing a business that got looted and burned because they had the misfortune of being in the area of a BLM protest/riot, but the magnitude to the country is certainly different to the two. Make no mistake, all riots and all violence from these "protests" are bad, and politicians of all stripes have not done the job they should to not only denounce the riots but to also avoid encouraging them, but I think you can rank an attack on our nations ability to govern a little higher than others.
Arguing that they were worse is valid. Overall I agree with you that the Capital riots were worse but arguing that there is no comparison is partisan BS. Pretending that the Capital riots happened in a vacuum and that the BLM riots were not part of the sequence of events that led to the Capital riots is also partisan BS.

Trump and his supporters should own the Capital riots and their aftermath just like the supporters of the left should own the BLM riots and their aftermath. Whether we want to or not, we as a country have to own it all.

We're circling the toilet and both sides of the boat are paddling the wrong direction.
Or it's a stupid binary choice of what to own and who to support. Both were wrong. There are natural comparisons to be made, and nothing happens in a vaccum.

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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:57 pm
GannonFan wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:12 pm
I don't know, I think the mob attack on the capitol building was worse than any of the BLM violence simply because it struck at the very heart of where and how our government functions (or at least makes the appearance of functioning) and if that were to be derailed by an assault it would have significant ramifications for the nation. I don't mean to devalue a family or a person losing a business that got looted and burned because they had the misfortune of being in the area of a BLM protest/riot, but the magnitude to the country is certainly different to the two. Make no mistake, all riots and all violence from these "protests" are bad, and politicians of all stripes have not done the job they should to not only denounce the riots but to also avoid encouraging them, but I think you can rank an attack on our nations ability to govern a little higher than others.
They attacked a building full of crooks, liars, and thieves in support of a crook, liar and thief living less than 2 miles away.
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kalm wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:01 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:21 pm
Arguing that they were worse is valid. Overall I agree with you that the Capital riots were worse but arguing that there is no comparison is partisan BS. Pretending that the Capital riots happened in a vacuum and that the BLM riots were not part of the sequence of events that led to the Capital riots is also partisan BS.

Trump and his supporters should own the Capital riots and their aftermath just like the supporters of the left should own the BLM riots and their aftermath. Whether we want to or not, we as a country have to own it all.

We're circling the toilet and both sides of the boat are paddling the wrong direction.
Or it's a stupid binary choice of what to own and who to support. Both were wrong. There are natural comparisons to be made, and nothing happens in a vaccum.

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It is a stupid binary choice.

And we're still friends if you stop paddling the wrong direction! ;) :mrgreen:
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Re: The Left's American Cultural Revolution

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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am
I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well.
Here's one accusation...
An FBI witness says that members of the far-right Proud Boys had hoped to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi during last week's violent storming of the U.S. Capitol.

An FBI special agent made the claim in an affidavit as part of a criminal complaint against 43-year-old Dominic Pezzola, who is accused of taking part in the riot in support of President Donald Trump's false claims that the presidential election was "stolen." Pezzola, who is also known as "Spaz," allegedly used a shield taken from a Capitol Police officer to smash a Capitol window before entering the building. An FBI witness said that the group Pezzola was with had discussed committing violent acts that went far beyond property damage.

"[The witness] stated that other members of the group talked about things that they had done during the day, and they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."

"The group said it would be returning on the '20th,' which your affiant takes to mean the Presidential Inauguration scheduled for January 20, 2021," it continues. "And that they plan to kill every single 'm-fer' they can. [The witness] stated the men said they all had firearms or access to firearms."
https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-int ... 1610753987
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kalm wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:19 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am
I don't know what the seditionists (and I don't have a problem with that word) would have done. It probably wouldn't have been pretty but fortunately, the authorities did that part of their job well.
Here's one accusation...
An FBI witness says that members of the far-right Proud Boys had hoped to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi during last week's violent storming of the U.S. Capitol.

An FBI special agent made the claim in an affidavit as part of a criminal complaint against 43-year-old Dominic Pezzola, who is accused of taking part in the riot in support of President Donald Trump's false claims that the presidential election was "stolen." Pezzola, who is also known as "Spaz," allegedly used a shield taken from a Capitol Police officer to smash a Capitol window before entering the building. An FBI witness said that the group Pezzola was with had discussed committing violent acts that went far beyond property damage.

"[The witness] stated that other members of the group talked about things that they had done during the day, and they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including Nancy Pelosi," the affidavit, which was filed Wednesday, reads. "[The witness] further stated that members of this group, which included 'Spaz,' said that they would have killed [Vice President] Mike Pence if given the chance."

"The group said it would be returning on the '20th,' which your affiant takes to mean the Presidential Inauguration scheduled for January 20, 2021," it continues. "And that they plan to kill every single 'm-fer' they can. [The witness] stated the men said they all had firearms or access to firearms."
https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-int ... 1610753987
Is this where an Antifa/BLM supporter would say that they were an outlier and the majority of the protesters were peaceful? Seriously, if that's true they should throw the book at them and let them rot in the deepest hole they can find.

Spaz? This guy?


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