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houndawg wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:47 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:21 pm
I don't disagree with you either. I do think how much was allowed during the BLM protests raised the bar for the MAGAts. What happened in DC did not happen in a vacuum. What happened over the summer doesn't excuse what happened in DC but that doesn't mean it wasn't a contributing factor. Placing the blame solely on the right without acknowledging and addressing the ongoing and worsening degradation of civility and desensitization to attacks on government and authority is only going to serve to further anger and isolate people who feel that their government has abandoned them.

We'll see if Democrats truly want reconciliation and healing by how they respond. Calling Republicans Nazis is not a good first step.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:46 pm Again, to conservatives: If you want to be heard STOP LYING.

As I've said many times, I am an extreme conservative. But if you want to argue for conservative approaches you should do so with the truth. That is NOT what is happening with the conservative movement right now. And it's time for conservatives to stop attacking things like the mainstream media and tech companies when those entities call them out for their lies.
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SDHornet wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:00 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:53 am

So you don’t think there’s a racial component to this?
For a tiny minority, yes. There were white supremacy groups involved with the riot at the Capitol building. For the vast majority, no I don't think race has anything to do with it. As UNI has pointed out, the events at the Capitol did not happen in a vacuum.
Let The Black Panthers try something like that on Wednesday what do you think would have been the response from the government!!!!
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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:47 pm
Ibanez wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:38 pm
That defense is weak. You’re making excuses for a group of people of willingly broke the law and caused the deaths of 5 death in the process. Not to mention the multiple injuries, destruction, theft and fear they were instilling in the people in the building at the time.

You’re trying to excuse the insurrection - it’s inexcusable. Have some integrity.


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Did it? The officer and the woman who was shot were 2. Another woman was unspecified med emergency. 2 were heart attacks/strokes of guys in their 50s..
2 people would be alive today if Wednesday didn't turn violent. We can only assume about the other 3 so I'll give it a pass. The multiple injuries to officers wouldn't have occurred - so much for Backing the Blue.

It's still inexcusable. It was inexcusable when extremists on the Left went violent last summer and it's inexcusable now that right-wing extremist have gone violent.
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dal4018 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:37 pm
SDHornet wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:00 pm

For a tiny minority, yes. There were white supremacy groups involved with the riot at the Capitol building. For the vast majority, no I don't think race has anything to do with it. As UNI has pointed out, the events at the Capitol did not happen in a vacuum.
Let The Black Panthers try something like that on Wednesday what do you think would have been the response from the government!!!!
Um, they took over the CA capitol building in 1967...oh yeah and did it with guns. Care to guess how many were gunned down?
The Sacramento Bee is celebrating its 160th anniversary this year. This story is part of our ongoing coverage.

May 2, 1967: Two dozen armed Negroes entered the state Capitol at noon today and 10 made their way to the back of the Assembly Chamber before they were disarmed and marched away by the state police.

The Assembly was in session at the time and Speaker Pro Tem Carlos Bee ordered the men removed from the chamber.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/histo ... 67224.html

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SDHornet wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:22 am
dal4018 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:37 pm
Let The Black Panthers try something like that on Wednesday what do you think would have been the response from the government!!!!
Um, they took over the CA capitol building in 1967...oh yeah and did it with guns. Care to guess how many were gunned down?
The Sacramento Bee is celebrating its 160th anniversary this year. This story is part of our ongoing coverage.

May 2, 1967: Two dozen armed Negroes entered the state Capitol at noon today and 10 made their way to the back of the Assembly Chamber before they were disarmed and marched away by the state police.

The Assembly was in session at the time and Speaker Pro Tem Carlos Bee ordered the men removed from the chamber.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/histo ... 67224.html

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AZGrizFan wrote:
SDHornet wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:22 am Um, they took over the CA capitol building in 1967...oh yeah and did it with guns. Care to guess how many were gunned down? https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/histo ... 67224.html

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Nothing like FACTS to shut up a ridiculous argument. :lol: :lol: :lol:
It was illegal in then and illegal now.


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Ibanez wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:51 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
Nothing like FACTS to shut up a ridiculous argument. :lol: :lol: :lol:
It was illegal in then and illegal now.


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That’s not the issue this thread, Mark.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:59 pm
SDHornet wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:22 am

Um, they took over the CA capitol building in 1967...oh yeah and did it with guns. Care to guess how many were gunned down?

https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/histo ... 67224.html

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Nothing like FACTS to shut up a ridiculous argument. :lol: :lol: :lol:
That was totally different from DC and quiet as its kept those weapons they had were useless!!!!
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dal4018 wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:30 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:59 pm

Nothing like FACTS to shut up a ridiculous argument. :lol: :lol: :lol:
That was totally different from DC and quiet as its kept those weapons they had were useless!!!!
How is an M14 useless?
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:31 pm
houndawg wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:47 pm

First the payback, then the reconciliation :thumb:
Payback will lead to tit-for-tat retribution and reconciliation might never happen. Do you want a pound of flesh or do you want a bright future?
There is no bright future with these people involved. They can't be reasoned with, you have to kill them. See Neville Chamberlain/Peace in Our Time.


We literally had a world war about this shit.
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SDHornet wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:22 am
dal4018 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:37 pm
Let The Black Panthers try something like that on Wednesday what do you think would have been the response from the government!!!!
Um, they took over the CA capitol building in 1967...oh yeah and did it with guns. Care to guess how many were gunned down?
The Sacramento Bee is celebrating its 160th anniversary this year. This story is part of our ongoing coverage.

May 2, 1967: Two dozen armed Negroes entered the state Capitol at noon today and 10 made their way to the back of the Assembly Chamber before they were disarmed and marched away by the state police.

The Assembly was in session at the time and Speaker Pro Tem Carlos Bee ordered the men removed from the chamber.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/histo ... 67224.html

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I remember this event, lived about 30 minutes from there.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:51 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
Nothing like FACTS to shut up a ridiculous argument. :lol: :lol: :lol:
It was illegal in then and illegal now.


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If it was illegal now those ppl would have never gotten that close to the Capital.They were practically escorted inside the building.
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dal4018 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:49 pm
Ibanez wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:51 pm
It was illegal in then and illegal now.


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If it was illegal now those ppl would have never gotten that close to the Capital.They were practically escorted inside the building.
And then shot at. :dunce:
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:21 pm
AshevilleApp wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:06 pm

I agree as far as violence goes, but you're sitting on the fence a bit too much I fear. The subset of violent protesters in DC was simply out to stop our government representatives from fulfilling their duty. After nearly 250 years of peaceful change. I think that the majority of protesters in both instances were peaceful. But trying to compare the end game of both (more equitable treatment by authorities, or hell free TV's if you like vs attempting to stop succession as outlined by the Constitution) is bullshit.
I don't disagree with you either. I do think how much was allowed during the BLM protests raised the bar for the MAGAts. What happened in DC did not happen in a vacuum. What happened over the summer doesn't excuse what happened in DC but that doesn't mean it wasn't a contributing factor. Placing the blame solely on the right without acknowledging and addressing the ongoing and worsening degradation of civility and desensitization to attacks on government and authority is only going to serve to further anger and isolate people who feel that their government has abandoned them.

We'll see if Democrats truly want reconciliation and healing by how they respond. Calling Republicans Nazis is not a good first step.
Its not up to the Democrats to make the first step. Let the Republicans deal with the traitors among them is the first step. Fuck the Republicans with a broken beer bottle.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:40 pm
dal4018 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:49 pm If it was illegal now those ppl would have never gotten that close to the Capital.They were practically escorted inside the building.
And then shot at. :dunce:


If they were black they'd still be carrying bodies out of the building
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houndawg wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:27 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:40 pm
And then shot at. :dunce:
If they were black they'd still be carrying bodies out of the building
There was a black terrorist in the Capitol. But he's been representing Chicago since 1993.
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houndawg wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:26 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:21 pm
I don't disagree with you either. I do think how much was allowed during the BLM protests raised the bar for the MAGAts. What happened in DC did not happen in a vacuum. What happened over the summer doesn't excuse what happened in DC but that doesn't mean it wasn't a contributing factor. Placing the blame solely on the right without acknowledging and addressing the ongoing and worsening degradation of civility and desensitization to attacks on government and authority is only going to serve to further anger and isolate people who feel that their government has abandoned them.

We'll see if Democrats truly want reconciliation and healing by how they respond. Calling Republicans Nazis is not a good first step.
Its not up to the Democrats to make the first step. Let the Republicans deal with the traitors among them is the first step. Fuck the Republicans with a broken beer bottle.
I agree and ask the Democrats to do the same to deal with the Manchurian Marxists among them. Until they do that, they can fill their vaginas with concrete spiked with broken glass. :o
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:16 pm
houndawg wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:26 pm

Its not up to the Democrats to make the first step. Let the Republicans deal with the traitors among them is the first step. Fuck the Republicans with a broken beer bottle.
I agree and ask the Democrats to do the same to deal with the Manchurian Marxists among them. Until they do that, they can fill their vaginas with concrete spiked with broken glass. :o
Wow. That escalated quickly.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:44 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:16 pm
I agree and ask the Democrats to do the same to deal with the Manchurian Marxists among them. Until they do that, they can fill their vaginas with concrete spiked with broken glass. :o
Wow. That escalated quickly.
Houndy pulls this shit all the time. I thought I'd climb down into the gutter and give him a taste of his own shock and awe medicine.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:43 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:44 pm

Wow. That escalated quickly.
Houndy pulls this shit all the time. I thought I'd climb down into the gutter and give him a taste of his own shock and awe medicine.

I'll be an emotional wreck for days now. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:16 pm
houndawg wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:26 pm

Its not up to the Democrats to make the first step. Let the Republicans deal with the traitors among them is the first step. Fuck the Republicans with a broken beer bottle.
I agree and ask the Democrats to do the same to deal with the Manchurian Marxists among them. Until they do that, they can fill their vaginas with concrete spiked with broken glass. :o
You first, loser.

Who is the duly elected President of the United States?

We can't progress towards unity until we're all on the same page. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:12 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:16 pm
I agree and ask the Democrats to do the same to deal with the Manchurian Marxists among them. Until they do that, they can fill their vaginas with concrete spiked with broken glass. :o
You first, loser.

Who is the duly elected President of the United States?

We can't progress towards unity until we're all on the same page. :coffee:
Did I hit a nerve? Is your vagina sensitive?

As I type this, Donald Trump is the duly elected President of the United States. The leadership of the Democratic Party has spent the last four years trying to discredit and remove him and now they want Republicans to meekly follow because a Democrat is about to assume the office? Hypocrite much?

The downward spiral in civility isn't going to stop until the leaders in both parties start acting like adults instead of spoiled kids.

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:43 am
houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:12 am

You first, loser.

Who is the duly elected President of the United States?

We can't progress towards unity until we're all on the same page. :coffee:
Did I hit a nerve? Is your vagina sensitive?

As I type this, Donald Trump is the duly elected President of the United States. The leadership of the Democratic Party has spent the last four years trying to discredit and remove him and now they want Republicans to meekly follow because a Democrat is about to assume the office? Hypocrite much?

The downward spiral in civility isn't going to stop until the leaders in both parties start acting like adults instead of spoiled kids.

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:43 am
houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:12 am

You first, loser.

Who is the duly elected President of the United States?

We can't progress towards unity until we're all on the same page. :coffee:
Did I hit a nerve? Is your vagina sensitive?

As I type this, Donald Trump is the duly elected President of the United States. The leadership of the Democratic Party has spent the last four years trying to discredit and remove him and now they want Republicans to meekly follow because a Democrat is about to assume the office? Hypocrite much?

The downward spiral in civility isn't going to stop until the leaders in both parties start acting like adults instead of spoiled kids.

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payback first, then unity and brotherhood. :coffee:
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