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SDHornet wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:00 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:53 am

So you don’t think there’s a racial component to this?
For a tiny minority, yes. There were white supremacy groups involved with the riot at the Capitol building. For the vast majority, no I don't think race has anything to do with it. As UNI has pointed out, the events at the Capitol did not happen in a vacuum.
Dal is making a racial comparison to how different people woukk looks have been treated in that scenario couched within the greater discussion of race relations in America.

Is that unfair?

What did Biden and Harris say to stoke the flames of racial discord?
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kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:26 pm
SDHornet wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:00 pm
For a tiny minority, yes. There were white supremacy groups involved with the riot at the Capitol building. For the vast majority, no I don't think race has anything to do with it. As UNI has pointed out, the events at the Capitol did not happen in a vacuum.
Dal is making a racial comparison to how different people woukk looks have been treated in that scenario couched within the greater discussion of race relations in America.

Is that unfair?

What did Biden and Harris say to stoke the flames of racial discord?
As SD said, there is a racial component. There were white supremacists involved but IMO it was more about the alt-righters anger and feeling disenfranchised.

I do think it's fair to ask how would BLM protesters have been treated in the same situation. You could also ask if MAGA protesters would be treated differently than BLM/AnTiFa protesters by the Multnomah County DA if this happened in Portland.

Why did you include "racial" in your question about what Biden and Harris said to stoke the flames of discord? Biden compared Cruz and Hawley to Joseph Goebbels. Biden says he wants to be the voice of unity and the left eats it up. But those are words, his actions and other words (like comparing Cruz and Hawley to Goebbels) say something different. He has no interest in respecting and fairly addressing the anger of the alt-righters. Until he does that his calls for unity ring hollow.
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SDHornet wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:39 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:12 am

No, I don't. I thought the MAGAts were one-upping the ANTIFArts and taking it to a whole new level (egged on by the POTUS, storming the Capital, threatening the VP). What happened was horrible and the perpetrators should be found and prosecuted. What happened didn't happen in a vacuum and to dismiss any comparisons to the BLM/ANTIFA riots is illogical and as I said intellectually dishonest. We've been building toward this and to change direction we need leaders to step up and lead with true empathy and compassion (don't just dismiss the very real anger and mistrust of the alt-righters).

Unfortunately, we're circling the drain and both sides are paddling in the wrong direction.
Well said. Biden*/Harris had a chance to actually do some "unity and healing" and instead dusted off the tired "muh racism" narratives we've been hearing since 2016. Major missed opportunity for this country to move forward.
Also 2 days ago Biden went with his conks/NAZIS comparison..They aren't interested in unity at all.

Edit: 88 beat me to it..
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:53 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:26 pm

Dal is making a racial comparison to how different people woukk looks have been treated in that scenario couched within the greater discussion of race relations in America.

Is that unfair?

What did Biden and Harris say to stoke the flames of racial discord?
As SD said, there is a racial component. There were white supremacists involved but IMO it was more about the alt-righters anger and feeling disenfranchised.

I do think it's fair to ask how would BLM protesters have been treated in the same situation. You could also ask if MAGA protesters would be treated differently than BLM/AnTiFa protesters by the Multnomah County DA if this happened in Portland.

Why did you include "racial" in your question about what Biden and Harris said to stoke the flames of discord? Biden compared Cruz and Hawley to Joseph Goebbels. Biden says he wants to be the voice of unity and the left eats it up. But those are words, his actions and other words (like comparing Cruz and Hawley to Goebbels) say something different. He has no interest in respecting and fairly addressing the anger of the alt-righters. Until he does that his calls for unity ring hollow.
Umm because that’s what the thread is about and SD brought up Biden and Harris from a racial standpoint?
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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:07 pm
SDHornet wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:39 am

Well said. Biden*/Harris had a chance to actually do some "unity and healing" and instead dusted off the tired "muh racism" narratives we've been hearing since 2016. Major missed opportunity for this country to move forward.
Also 2 days ago Biden went with his conks/NAZIS comparison..They aren't interested in unity at all.

Edit: 88 beat me to it..
I don’t think he was referring to all conks. Just the ones that remind us of Nazi’s. But I get it. Naziconks have feelings too. :lol:
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kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:53 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:07 pm
Also 2 days ago Biden went with his conks/NAZIS comparison..They aren't interested in unity at all.

Edit: 88 beat me to it..
I don’t think he was referring to all conks. Just the ones that remind us of Nazi’s. But I get it. Naziconks have feelings too. :lol:
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kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:53 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:07 pm
Also 2 days ago Biden went with his conks/NAZIS comparison..They aren't interested in unity at all.

Edit: 88 beat me to it..
I don’t think he was referring to all conks. Just the ones that remind us of Nazi’s. But I get it. Naziconks have feelings too. :lol:
Who cares whether he was referring to all conks? The accusation stoked the flames of discord and shows that Biden is disingenuous about unity. The only people who believe his calls for unity are his base.

Why shouldn't Naziconks have feelings? I'm sure Marxisdonks have feelings too and you're quick to defend them. Should we dismiss someone's feelings just because we disagree with their ideology? I don't think that will lead to healing and unity.

I find the rehabilitation of socialism/marxism by the left to be much more worrisome for the long-term future of this country than the inept authoritarianism/coup attempt by Trump and his followers.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:39 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:53 pm

I don’t think he was referring to all conks. Just the ones that remind us of Nazi’s. But I get it. Naziconks have feelings too. :lol:
Who cares whether he was referring to all conks? The accusation stoked the flames of discord and shows that Biden is disingenuous about unity. The only people who believe his calls for unity are his base.

Why shouldn't Naziconks have feelings? I'm sure Marxisdonks have feelings too and you're quick to defend them. Should we dismiss someone's feelings just because we disagree with their ideology? I don't think that will lead to healing and unity.

I find the rehabilitation of socialism/marxism by the left to be much more worrisome for the long-term future of this country than the inept authoritarianism/coup attempt by Trump and his followers.
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kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:53 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:39 pm
Who cares whether he was referring to all conks? The accusation stoked the flames of discord and shows that Biden is disingenuous about unity. The only people who believe his calls for unity are his base.

Why shouldn't Naziconks have feelings? I'm sure Marxisdonks have feelings too and you're quick to defend them. Should we dismiss someone's feelings just because we disagree with their ideology? I don't think that will lead to healing and unity.

I find the rehabilitation of socialism/marxism by the left to be much more worrisome for the long-term future of this country than the inept authoritarianism/coup attempt by Trump and his followers.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:41 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:53 pm

Remember in Last Crusade when Indie said “Nazi’s...I hate those guys.”

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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:06 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:53 pm

I don’t think he was referring to all conks. Just the ones that remind us of Nazi’s. But I get it. Naziconks have feelings too. :lol:
Like Commiedonks?
Exactly!

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If this was happeneing over months or even weeks, it wouldn't mean a conpsiracy. But all happening over literally a couple days proves the left is conspiring to silence conservatives on the internet. Obviously very well coordinated by Big Tech..
https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/01/10 ... er-n307714
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Do you know that ANTIFA has never killed a cop?

You know, the MAGA crowd has done that now. And please don't say that it was really ANTIFA. That's ridiculous. This thing of trying to claim that what we saw was a "false flag" operation is ridiculous. It wasn't.
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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:05 pm If this was happeneing over months or even weeks, it wouldn't mean a conpsiracy. But all happening over literally a couple days proves the left is conspiring to silence conservatives on the internet. Obviously very well coordinated by Big Tech..
https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/01/10 ... er-n307714
They are private entities that are trying to control misinformation that is endangering peoples' lives. If conservatives don't want to see stuff like this happen, conservatives need to stop distributing information that endangers peoples' lives.

I mean, what are they supposed to do? You've got the conservative movement having gone completely bonkers with lies and misinformation and it's causing stuff like we saw this past January 6. Are they supposed to just act as they have no responsibility to filter stuff?
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:36 pm Do you know that ANTIFA has never killed a cop?
You know, the MAGA crowd has done that now. And please don't say that it was really ANTIFA. That's ridiculous. This thing of trying to claim that what we saw was a "false flag" operation is ridiculous. It wasn't.
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Again, to conservatives: If you want to be heard STOP LYING.

As I've said many times, I am an extreme conservative. But if you want to argue for conservative approaches you should do so with the truth. That is NOT what is happening with the conservative movement right now. And it's time for conservatives to stop attacking things like the mainstream media and tech companies when those entities call them out for their lies.
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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:44 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:36 pm Do you know that ANTIFA has never killed a cop?
You know, the MAGA crowd has done that now. And please don't say that it was really ANTIFA. That's ridiculous. This thing of trying to claim that what we saw was a "false flag" operation is ridiculous. It wasn't.
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What are you talking about? I just Googled those two and Dorn was killed during a burglary and Underwood was killed by Bugaloo boys. Neither had anything to do with either ANTIFA or Black Lives Matter. At least not in the Google hits I got.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:36 pm Do you know that ANTIFA has never killed a cop?
Maybe it is just a case of poor aim?
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BDKJMU wrote:Yeah, there were more people shot and killed by the police at the violent BLM protests in DC that week...oh wait a minute..
That defense is weak. You’re making excuses for a group of people of willingly broke the law and caused the deaths of 5 death in the process. Not to mention the multiple injuries, destruction, theft and fear they were instilling in the people in the building at the time.

You’re trying to excuse the insurrection - it’s inexcusable. Have some integrity.


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UNI88 wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:21 pm
AshevilleApp wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:06 pm

I agree as far as violence goes, but you're sitting on the fence a bit too much I fear. The subset of violent protesters in DC was simply out to stop our government representatives from fulfilling their duty. After nearly 250 years of peaceful change. I think that the majority of protesters in both instances were peaceful. But trying to compare the end game of both (more equitable treatment by authorities, or hell free TV's if you like vs attempting to stop succession as outlined by the Constitution) is bullshit.
I don't disagree with you either. I do think how much was allowed during the BLM protests raised the bar for the MAGAts. What happened in DC did not happen in a vacuum. What happened over the summer doesn't excuse what happened in DC but that doesn't mean it wasn't a contributing factor. Placing the blame solely on the right without acknowledging and addressing the ongoing and worsening degradation of civility and desensitization to attacks on government and authority is only going to serve to further anger and isolate people who feel that their government has abandoned them.

We'll see if Democrats truly want reconciliation and healing by how they respond. Calling Republicans Nazis is not a good first step.

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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:07 pm
SDHornet wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:39 am

Well said. Biden*/Harris had a chance to actually do some "unity and healing" and instead dusted off the tired "muh racism" narratives we've been hearing since 2016. Major missed opportunity for this country to move forward.
Also 2 days ago Biden went with his conks/NAZIS comparison..They aren't interested in unity at all.

Edit: 88 beat me to it..
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:53 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:44 pm
David Dorn
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Either killed by BLM or ANTIFA, who are 2 peas in a pod.
What are you talking about? I just Googled those two and Dorn was killed during a burglary and Underwood was killed by Bugaloo boys. Neither had anything to do with either ANTIFA or Black Lives Matter. At least not in the Google hits I got.
Dorn was killed by looters during the BLM protests in St Louis during the 1st week after Floyd's death.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:46 pm Again, to conservatives: If you want to be heard STOP LYING.

As I've said many times, I am an extreme conservative. But if you want to argue for conservative approaches you should do so with the truth. That is NOT what is happening with the conservative movement right now. And it's time for conservatives to stop attacking things like the mainstream media and tech companies when those entities call them out for their lies.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:46 pm Again, to conservatives: If you want to be heard STOP LYING.

As I've said many times, I am an extreme conservative. But if you want to argue for conservative approaches you should do so with the truth. That is NOT what is happening with the conservative movement right now. And it's time for conservatives to stop attacking things like the mainstream media and tech companies when those entities call them out for their lies.
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Ibanez wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:38 pm
BDKJMU wrote:Yeah, there were more people shot and killed by the police at the violent BLM protests in DC that week...oh wait a minute..
That defense is weak. You’re making excuses for a group of people of willingly broke the law and caused the deaths of 5 death in the process. Not to mention the multiple injuries, destruction, theft and fear they were instilling in the people in the building at the time.

You’re trying to excuse the insurrection - it’s inexcusable. Have some integrity.


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