I will probably be one Stalag over.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:52 pm
So what's happening in the Palouse > what's happening in Portland?
Insinuating that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism is baloney. The riots in looting in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere are proof of that. Much of what the ctrl-left talks about isn't about making things equal, it's about turning the tables.
I don't think the ctrl-left loves or respects me or cares about my health & life. In their world, I would be a dissident who needs to be "re-educated" and who knows what when that fails.
I am more than willing to sit down and work toward equal opportunities but that collaboration must start with respect for opposing perspectives.
If Geoffrey really believes that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism then he has been misled.
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Winter and Kolonel Kalm at the AOChe Center for Reeducation & EnlightenmentWinterborn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:46 pmI will probably be one Stalag over.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:52 pm
So what's happening in the Palouse > what's happening in Portland?
Insinuating that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism is baloney. The riots in looting in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere are proof of that. Much of what the ctrl-left talks about isn't about making things equal, it's about turning the tables.
I don't think the ctrl-left loves or respects me or cares about my health & life. In their world, I would be a dissident who needs to be "re-educated" and who knows what when that fails.
I am more than willing to sit down and work toward equal opportunities but that collaboration must start with respect for opposing perspectives.
If Geoffrey really believes that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism then he has been misled.
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I thought the emojies might suggest I was being a bit tongue in cheek/satirical on that one?UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:52 pmSo what's happening in the Palouse > what's happening in Portland?
Insinuating that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism is baloney. The riots in looting in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere are proof of that. Much of what the ctrl-left talks about isn't about making things equal, it's about turning the tables.
I don't think the ctrl-left loves or respects me or cares about my health & life. In their world, I would be a dissident who needs to be "re-educated" and who knows what when that fails.
I am more than willing to sit down and work toward equal opportunities but that collaboration must start with respect for opposing perspectives.
If Geoffrey really believes that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism then he has been misled.
But if you'd like to wander back down in the weeds we should start by your definition of ctrl-left and how big and influential you think they are.
(I've had these type of debates with AZ before and they typically end with him saying...well the world needs ditch diggers too. )
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Sh!t, I missed the emojies. My apologies. My points to Geoffrey stand though.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:50 pmI thought the emojies might suggest I was being a bit tongue in cheek/satirical on that one?UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:52 pm
So what's happening in the Palouse > what's happening in Portland?
Insinuating that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism is baloney. The riots in looting in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere are proof of that. Much of what the ctrl-left talks about isn't about making things equal, it's about turning the tables.
I don't think the ctrl-left loves or respects me or cares about my health & life. In their world, I would be a dissident who needs to be "re-educated" and who knows what when that fails.
I am more than willing to sit down and work toward equal opportunities but that collaboration must start with respect for opposing perspectives.
If Geoffrey really believes that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism then he has been misled.
But if you'd like to wander back down in the weeds we should start by your definition of ctrl-left and how big and influential you think they are.
(I've had these type of debates with AZ before and they typically end with him saying...well the world needs ditch diggers too. )
Are you volunteering to be a ditch digger?
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There’s no shame in being a ditch digger.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:50 pmI thought the emojies might suggest I was being a bit tongue in cheek/satirical on that one?UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:52 pm
So what's happening in the Palouse > what's happening in Portland?
Insinuating that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism is baloney. The riots in looting in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere are proof of that. Much of what the ctrl-left talks about isn't about making things equal, it's about turning the tables.
I don't think the ctrl-left loves or respects me or cares about my health & life. In their world, I would be a dissident who needs to be "re-educated" and who knows what when that fails.
I am more than willing to sit down and work toward equal opportunities but that collaboration must start with respect for opposing perspectives.
If Geoffrey really believes that Democrats/liberals/progressives are for Health & life, Love and Equality while Republicans/conservatives are for illness & death, hatred and racism then he has been misled.
But if you'd like to wander back down in the weeds we should start by your definition of ctrl-left and how big and influential you think they are.
(I've had these type of debates with AZ before and they typically end with him saying...well the world needs ditch diggers too. )
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I was thinking you would fit more along the lines of Robert Clary.
The similarities are striking:
1) You enjoy cooking (and seem to be good at it)
2) Don't mind getting your hands dirty every now and then
3) Always complaining about something
4) Are from another country (Washington)
5) Good with his fingers (tying flies in your case)
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Bullseye!Winterborn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:54 pmI was thinking you would fit more along the lines of Robert Clary.
The similarities are striking:
1) You enjoy cooking (and seem to be good at it)
2) Don't mind getting your hands dirty every now and then
3) Always complaining about something
4) Are from another country (Washington)
5) Good with his fingers (tying flies in your case)
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Excellent post.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:11 pmThere are wackos on both sides using intimidation and threats of violence to force change. You're alarmed by a DOH hearing in Boise, the Michigan incompetents, etc. but you pooh pooh people who are alarmed by AnTiFa while covering yourself by proclaiming that you're against all violence.kalm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:57 pm
Say what?
Just today you had anti-maskers shutting down a Dep of Health hearing in Boise protesting mask usage and lockdowns along with a DOH official in tears having to leave an interview because her 12 year old son was at home alone and protestors were knocking at the door. Then you have 17 State AG's sending a brief to SCOTUS in support of the Texas suit.
You had the MIchigan -hey, let's kidnap the governor brigade - among hundreds of other examples this earlier this year.
I was just watching a snippet of (former) republicans Steve Schmidt and Steve Miller describing the situation as an autocratic threat against democracy on a show hosted by Nicole Wallace (another Republican). Mitt Romney is starting to echo similar concerns.
Yet only 6 US senators have acknowledged Biden's victory and 88% of total congressional Republicans haven't.
JSO, was referring to the R base, not political leadership, but if you'd really like to try and form some equivalency here with the social democrats, knock yourself out.
Just look at all those armed and dangerous economic socialists who've placed Bernie and AOC at the tip of the Democratic Party spear!
Pol and Joe would be proud!
Both sides have fallen off the f'ing deep end and neither has the moral high ground to criticize the other until they actually get their shit straight. The ctrl-left wackos are acting civilized because Biden won. It's an act, if Trump has somehow prevailed they'd be looting and pillaging. Their being offended by the way Trump's supporters are behaving is hypocritical bullsh!t.
Trump might be an egomaniacal sociopath but he's too much of a buffoon to be a serious autocratic threat against democracy. I'm much more concerned about the insidious, Manchurian approach of the ctrl-left. Promising equal outcomes but not being honest that everyone will be equal, equally miserable.
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Yep. The courts will sort this out. My only fear is that the courts don't want to get involved out of fear of finding that the system has been gamed. No way we know that is the case though.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:12 amI’m not saying he’s done it in a pretty, concise, professional way. He doesn’t do ANYTHING that way. Of course he’s going to go after it with a flamethrower, fix the crack in the windshield with a sledgehammer....pick your euphemism. He’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that’s the ONLY way he knows how to operate.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:57 pm
I agree with almost everything you posted but not the bolded part. Trump has done more than just try to shed some light on what appears to hinky behavior. He and his legal teams have made claims that they have not been able to substantiate. This has thrown gasoline on the fire of his supporters and some of them have gone out and tried to intimidate election officials. Trump is a serial liar who doesn't care about the truth, he cares about himself and his own fragile ego. There is some hinky stuff with this election that needs to be investigated but it would help if Trump acted like an adult and not a petulant 8 y/o throwing a temper tantrum.
I am interested in Kalm's response to the rest of your post. Kalm, you can't get off the hook by focusing on that one aspect (JSO style).
I’ve said it from the beginning: I pray to god nothing comes of this—I do NOT want them to find any kind of meaningful fraud. Because with everything else going on in this country, the LAST thing we need is proven election fraud on top of it. THAT, I think, truly might be the last straw to a potential civil war. So yeah, I hope every last one of his filings gets thrown out, i hope his evidence is non-existent. I hope the SC sees the case and throws it out based on lack of evidence/merit, whatever. But be thankful he’s using the COURT system to do this, and be grateful the shoe is not on the other foot, because this country would be on FIRE right now if it were.
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Agree. Of course if it were Trump we'd have Russia-gate 2.0. But politics is reliably partisan, hypocritical and predictable. What has happened is that Trump lost and he's now calling board canvassers, governors, state legislators, and more pleading with them to go against the will of the voters. He's begging them to break the law. He isn't questioning the results. He isn't merely saying something is hinky and it needs to be reviewed. He's calling out individual people and saying they're the problem. He's blaming a political party and then anyone else that doesn't give him what he wants. He's all for a Republican until that Republican stands up for the Constitution. He's actively trying to disenfranchise millions of voters.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:48 pm Burning, looting, rioting, autonomous zones, self proclaimed “law”, assaults on journalists or anyone who dares to film them, those are not just “insidious threats”....those are ALL things that have happened in the past seven months, some still happening today and EVERY day in cities like Portland. I’d call that pretty fucking “immediate”.
Is there anything Donald Trump has done so far in questioning the results of this election that have been illegal? Outside the law? Because I can guaranfuckingTEE you that if Trump had received vote dumps in the tens or hundreds of thousands in the middle of the night in EVERY key swing state necessary to win the election at the last minute the MSM and the CTRL-Left and social media justice warriors would be lining UP to get this shit overturned. They would literally be burning down America if the shoe was on the other foot, and you KNOW it to be true. And I’m not just talking about Trump winning, I’m talking if he’d won the way Biden appears to have won. There’s not a leftie out there with a shred of integrity who can state with conviction that what I’m saying wouldn’t happen. And yet, all Trump has done is try to get some light shed on what appears to be some hinky behavior in a couple key cities that cost him the election. That doesn’t make him the devil, and it doesn’t make him someone who’s trying to “steal” the election. He wants the truth. I want the truth. YOU should want the truth.
Because next time, the shoe might be on the other foot.
It's really quite easy - do the investigation and present your evidence. Under oath, in court, no evidence has been presented or argued. No facts have been presented. That's straight from court decisions. Trump appointed judges have said no evidence was submitted. Trump appointed law makers and political appointees have said there's nothing there (or not enough to really make a difference.). They've said this election was successful. And remember, Trump only hires the best (that is until they exercise independence and don't toe the party line.)
There wasn't anything evil with Dominion Voting - a human error which was corrected.
There isn't a massive conspiracy to have Republican and Democratic politicians across multiple jurisdictions steal the election.
The newest conspiracy is that it's now impossible for so many people to split a ticket.
Trying to ensure an election was run fairly is in everyone's best interests. But you aren't naïve and you know that what Trump is saying and doing is trying to undermine the integrity and sow doubt. It's his personality - he's not a reasonable, calm individual. His personality is his biggest flaws and it's a major turn off and forces people to see him negative. Do you really want the next Democratic POTUS candidate to lose, and then cry foul, sue w/o any evidence, call governors and tell them to not obey the law and the will of their voters?
Taking a page from Trumps playbook, I could simply say that MaineJeff eats baby kittens for breakfast and you should just trust me on it. Proof? There's no need...my word is impeachable.
Btw - MaineJeff eats baby kittens for breakfast.
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The ctrl-left has shown they are as hateful and nasty as the Red Hatters. If not more...mainejeff wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:12 amIs there any point in your mind where the scale tips toward one being "more whacko" though? I'd certainly say that there are many more "whacko" Trump extremists. To deny that is just delusional.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:11 pm
There are wackos on both sides using intimidation and threats of violence to force change. You're alarmed by a DOH hearing in Boise, the Michigan incompetents, etc. but you pooh pooh people who are alarmed by AnTiFa while covering yourself by proclaiming that you're against all violence.
Both sides have fallen off the f'ing deep end and neither has the moral high ground to criticize the other until they actually get their shit straight. The ctrl-left wackos are acting civilized because Biden won. It's an act, if Trump has somehow prevailed they'd be looting and pillaging. Their being offended by the way Trump's supporters are behaving is hypocritical bullsh!t.
Trump might be an egomaniacal sociopath but he's too much of a buffoon to be a serious autocratic threat against democracy. I'm much more concerned about the insidious, Manchurian approach of the ctrl-left. Promising equal outcomes but not being honest that everyone will be equal, equally miserable.
I believe that one side can take the mortal high ground by trying to protect the overall population from getting sick and/or dying. I also feel that supporting equality and love over racism and hatred is the moral high ground.....that can't be argued. Please note that if you do not involve politics or specific people or causes.....those points just cannot be argued.
Health & life > illness & death
Love > hatred
Equality > racism
I'd also argue that Trump has come closer to becoming an autocratic threat than any other person in the history of the United States. He has a sizable number of U.S. Senators, House Reps, and major media outlets and personalities believing and supporting his cause. He also has tens of millions of Americans believing his lies. He has the attention of the Supreme Court and a number of justices that also support him....personally, ethically, and morally.
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I might have an unpopular opinion on this but I would WELCOME a revelation and proof that the system has been gamed, we've been made fools and the election was a massive fraud.SDHornet wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:39 pmYep. The courts will sort this out. My only fear is that the courts don't want to get involved out of fear of finding that the system has been gamed. No way we know that is the case though.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:12 am
I’m not saying he’s done it in a pretty, concise, professional way. He doesn’t do ANYTHING that way. Of course he’s going to go after it with a flamethrower, fix the crack in the windshield with a sledgehammer....pick your euphemism. He’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that’s the ONLY way he knows how to operate.
I’ve said it from the beginning: I pray to god nothing comes of this—I do NOT want them to find any kind of meaningful fraud. Because with everything else going on in this country, the LAST thing we need is proven election fraud on top of it. THAT, I think, truly might be the last straw to a potential civil war. So yeah, I hope every last one of his filings gets thrown out, i hope his evidence is non-existent. I hope the SC sees the case and throws it out based on lack of evidence/merit, whatever. But be thankful he’s using the COURT system to do this, and be grateful the shoe is not on the other foot, because this country would be on FIRE right now if it were.
That revelation would tell me a few things:
1) Confirm what many suspect
2) Proof that there are good people in government and that even the powerful can't hide forever
3) Ability to drastically change our society to prevent a repeat.
The following years/decade(s) would be turbulent. It wouldn't be easy but in the long run, I think our country could come out stronger.
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Of course there are bad actors on both sides. I fully recognize that. Doesn’t mean that they are equal. I’ll ask again, define ctrl-left.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:02 pmSh!t, I missed the emojies. My apologies. My points to Geoffrey stand though.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:50 pm
I thought the emojies might suggest I was being a bit tongue in cheek/satirical on that one?
But if you'd like to wander back down in the weeds we should start by your definition of ctrl-left and how big and influential you think they are.
(I've had these type of debates with AZ before and they typically end with him saying...well the world needs ditch diggers too. )
Are you volunteering to be a ditch digger?
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The ctrl-left includes but is not limited to AOChe and the Squat, AnTiFa, BLM (the Marxist organization, not the movement), Kate Brown, Sarah Iannarone.
Others are welcome to add to the "membership" ...
And you are correct, they're not all equal. I'm more concerned about the Manchurians in the ctrl-left than then buffoons in the alt-right.
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Schultz makes an appearance at the 1:13 mark.....
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So is Kalm Schultz or LeBeau?
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I should of quoted Ibanez there but made a mistake.
My vote is still for LeBeau.
So far Kalm has not said he likes strudel. And that is a key ingredient of Schultz.
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But for Kalm to be LeBeau he would need to be a part of the rational resistance to the Marxist state not an apologist for it.Winterborn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:10 pmI should of quoted Ibanez there but made a mistake.
My vote is still for LeBeau.
So far Kalm has not said he likes strudel. And that is a key ingredient of Schultz.
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That is a good point. I will need to think about it over a beer and steak tonight.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:30 pmBut for Kalm to be LeBeau he would need to be a part of the rational resistance to the Marxist state not an apologist for it.Winterborn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:10 pm
I should of quoted Ibanez there but made a mistake.
My vote is still for LeBeau.
So far Kalm has not said he likes strudel. And that is a key ingredient of Schultz.
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“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” - G. Michael Hopf
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The GA video is more than proof, everyone wants to put their head in the sand regarding it. And I have yet to see a legitimate argument substantiating the pushback on signature validation on the mail in ballots.Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:43 amI might have an unpopular opinion on this but I would WELCOME a revelation and proof that the system has been gamed, we've been made fools and the election was a massive fraud.
That revelation would tell me a few things:
1) Confirm what many suspect
2) Proof that there are good people in government and that even the powerful can't hide forever
3) Ability to drastically change our society to prevent a repeat.
The following years/decade(s) would be turbulent. It wouldn't be easy but in the long run, I think our country could come out stronger.
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LeBeau was fighting the Marxist Germans?UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:30 pmBut for Kalm to be LeBeau he would need to be a part of the rational resistance to the Marxist state not an apologist for it.Winterborn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:10 pm
I should of quoted Ibanez there but made a mistake.
My vote is still for LeBeau.
So far Kalm has not said he likes strudel. And that is a key ingredient of Schultz.