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Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:42 am
by kalm
This is true but illiberal and less democracy are good things, no?
The Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe, according to a new international study.
In a significant shift since 2000, the GOP has taken to demonising and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey.
The shift has both led to and been driven by the rise of Donald Trump.
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to democratic norms, and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right and centre-left parties in western Europe. Their principal difference is the approach to the economy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... M7-e8OO-Sk
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:56 am
by UNI88
kalm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:42 am
This is true but illiberal and less democracy are good things, no?
The Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe, according to a new international study.
In a significant shift since 2000, the GOP has taken to demonising and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey.
The shift has both led to and been driven by the rise of Donald Trump.
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to democratic norms, and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right and centre-left parties in western Europe. Their principal difference is the approach to the economy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... M7-e8OO-Sk
There is truth to the first 3 paragraphs but I call bullsh!t on the fourth.
Leaders of the Democratic party like leaders of the GOP avoid explicit support for extremists but it doesn't mean that their supporters haven't also "taken to demonising and encouraging violence against its opponents." Aaron Danielson and others would agree with me.
The Democratic Party of Slick Willy and prior wouldn't consider many aspects of the Green New Deal. Look at statements by Obama, Biden, etc. on immigration and other issues to see how the Democrats have moved to the left.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:06 am
by Baldy
This is worth a repost.
Does The Guardian actually think Mad Maxine, Nancy Pelosi, Joy Reid, Chris Cuomo, Samantha Bee, Eric Holder, Don Lemon, Nichole Wallace, Joe Biden, and countless others are Conks?
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:34 am
by 89Hen
Piece written by a Swedish guy who rails against "illiberals". Excuse me if I don't take this seriously.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:02 am
by kalm
89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:34 am
Piece written by a Swedish guy who rails against "illiberals". Excuse me if I don't take this seriously.
I’ll try and find a study from a Hungarian university for you.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:04 am
by Ibanez
Baldy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:06 am
This is worth a repost.
Does The Guardian actually think Mad Maxine, Nancy Pelosi, Joy Reid, Chris Cuomo, Samantha Bee, Eric Holder, Don Lemon, Nichole Wallace, Joe Biden, and countless others are Conks?
Well Trip thinks Bernie is a moderate so anything is possible.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:28 am
by Gil Dobie
Republican party has attracted the Proud Boys, KKK and other white supremacist groups in recent years. The Democratic party has also attracted the Green New Deal and ANTIFA types. The undesirables of each party have moved into the vocal and power positions in each party. In the 1992 election, there was a lot of people that were undecided about who to vote for. Neither was as bad of choice, IMO, as we have today. Less and less people leaning left would vote for Trump and less and less people leaning right would vote for Biden.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:19 pm
by Baldy
89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:34 am
Piece written by a Swedish guy who rails against "illiberals". Excuse me if I don't take this seriously.
The Guardian is the UK's version of The Huffington Post or MSNBC.
There is no need to take it seriously because, even with our flaws, the line of Europeans trying to get into the US is longer than the line of US citizens trying to get into Europe...by a factor of three or four.
The European pseudo-intelligentsia have been saying the same thing since the end of WWII.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:36 pm
by SeattleGriz
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:28 am
Republican party has attracted the Proud Boys, KKK and other white supremacist groups in recent years. The Democratic party has also attracted the Green New Deal and ANTIFA types. The undesirables of each party have moved into the vocal and power positions in each party. In the 1992 election, there was a lot of people that were undecided about who to vote for. Neither was as bad of choice, IMO, as we have today. Less and less people leaning left would vote for Trump and less and less people leaning right would vote for Biden.
Proud Boys are white supremacists? I can understand nationalists, but not white supremacists.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:10 pm
by Gil Dobie
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:36 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:28 am
Republican party has attracted the Proud Boys, KKK and other white supremacist groups in recent years. The Democratic party has also attracted the Green New Deal and ANTIFA types. The undesirables of each party have moved into the vocal and power positions in each party. In the 1992 election, there was a lot of people that were undecided about who to vote for. Neither was as bad of choice, IMO, as we have today. Less and less people leaning left would vote for Trump and less and less people leaning right would vote for Biden.
Proud Boys are white supremacists? I can understand nationalists, but not white supremacists.
Although some deny it, they are classified as such by the FBI.
Link
The FBI now classifies the far-right Proud Boys as an “extremist group with ties to white nationalism”, according to a document produced by Washington state law enforcement.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:17 pm
by SeattleGriz
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:10 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:36 pm
Proud Boys are white supremacists? I can understand nationalists, but not white supremacists.
Although some deny it, they are classified as such by the FBI.
Link
The FBI now classifies the far-right Proud Boys as an “extremist group with ties to white nationalism”, according to a document produced by Washington state law enforcement.
The same FBI that investigated the Steele dossier and Russia collusion? Think they better purge the blacks in their groups then.
Enrique Tarrio insists that the Proud Boys aren’t White supremacists, and he would be in a position to know. For one, he’s the international chairman. For another, he’s Black.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020 ... supremaci/
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:37 pm
by GannonFan
Tell me again how this isn't applicable to either of the two major political parties in the US today...
..has taken to demonising and encouraging violence against its opponents
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:39 pm
by Ibanez
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:17 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:10 pm
Although some deny it, they are classified as such by the FBI.
Link
The FBI now classifies the far-right Proud Boys as an “extremist group with ties to white nationalism”, according to a document produced by Washington state law enforcement.
The same FBI that investigated the Steele dossier and Russia collusion? Think they better purge the blacks in their groups then.
Enrique Tarrio insists that the Proud Boys aren’t White supremacists, and he would be in a position to know. For one, he’s the international chairman. For another, he’s Black.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020 ... supremaci/
I thought he was Cuban.
I'm sure many murderers, rapists, politician, etc... don't consider themselves scum but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
How do you think they enforce the "no masturbating more than once a month" vow?
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:43 pm
by GannonFan
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:39 pm
I thought he was Cuban.
I'm sure many murderers, rapists, politician, etc... don't consider themselves scum but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
How do you think they enforce the "no masturbating more than once a month" vow?
Is that really a thing? How do you know they take vows like that? And are you referring to the FBI or that Proud Boys group?
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:44 pm
by Ibanez
GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:43 pm
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:39 pm
I thought he was Cuban.
I'm sure many murderers, rapists, politician, etc... don't consider themselves scum but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
How do you think they enforce the "no masturbating more than once a month" vow?
Is that really a thing? How do you know they take vows like that? And are you referring to the FBI or that Proud Boys group?
Proud Boys
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:29 pm
by SeattleGriz
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:39 pm
I thought he was Cuban.
I'm sure many murderers, rapists, politician, etc... don't consider themselves scum but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
How do you think they enforce the "no masturbating more than once a month" vow?
I believe you are correct with him being Cuban. Him being black is a quote from the article, so I don't know his specifics.
Limits on masterbation sounds like a church thing. If so, in my opinion, would add more to the doubt they are racist.
I've been following Proud Boys for awhile. They've been fighting Antifa around these parts for years. If anything, Antifa is far more racist. You hear the shit that comes out of their mouths spewn towards blacks?
In all honesty, sounds like whoever labeled them racists put as much effort into defining them as the SPLC.
Of course growing up in Montana and now living in the Seattle area, I'm not that familiar with racism.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:34 pm
by 89Hen
Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:39 pm
I'm sure many murderers, rapists, politician, etc... don't consider themselves scum but that doesn't necessarily make it true.
FWIW, it seems white supremacist groups proudly state they are such, they don't tend to hide it.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:12 pm
by AZGrizFan
kalm wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:42 am
This is true but illiberal and less democracy are good things, no?
The Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe, according to a new international study.
In a significant shift since 2000, the GOP has taken to demonising and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey.
The shift has both led to and been driven by the rise of Donald Trump.
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to democratic norms, and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right and centre-left parties in western Europe. Their principal difference is the approach to the economy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... M7-e8OO-Sk
Any author who attempts to assign “demonizing and encouraging violence against opponents” to a singular party immediately loses ANY semblance of impartiality. I stopped reading right there.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:26 pm
by BDKJMU
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:28 am
Republican party has attracted the
Proud Boys, KKK and other
white supremacist groups in recent years. The Democratic party has also attracted the Green New Deal and ANTIFA types. The undesirables of each party have moved into the vocal and power positions in each party. In the 1992 election, there was a lot of people that were undecided about who to vote for. Neither was as bad of choice, IMO, as we have today. Less and less people leaning left would vote for Trump and less and less people leaning right would vote for Biden.
A group with a black latino leader, and 10%-20% non white membership, is a white supremeacist group?
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:51 pm
by AZGrizFan
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:26 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:28 am
Republican party has attracted the
Proud Boys, KKK and other
white supremacist groups in recent years. The Democratic party has also attracted the Green New Deal and ANTIFA types. The undesirables of each party have moved into the vocal and power positions in each party. In the 1992 election, there was a lot of people that were undecided about who to vote for. Neither was as bad of choice, IMO, as we have today. Less and less people leaning left would vote for Trump and less and less people leaning right would vote for Biden.
A group with a black latino leader, and 10%-20% non white membership, is a white supremeacist group?
Makes perfect sense. In Libtardo land.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:24 am
by Gil Dobie
AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:51 pm
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:26 pm
A group with a black latino leader, and 10%-20% non white membership, is a white supremeacist group?
Makes perfect sense. In Libtardo land.
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has said that "[w]hile the group can be described as violent, nationalistic, Islamophobic, transphobic and misogynistic, its members represent a range of ethnic backgrounds, and its leaders vehemently protest any allegations of racism."[22] Despite denying that they are a racist group, the Proud Boys tend to espouse racist ideologies and attract white supremacists as members, with founder McInnes having said: "I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of. I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life."
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:27 am
by Gil Dobie
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:26 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:28 am
Republican party has attracted the
Proud Boys, KKK and other
white supremacist groups in recent years. The Democratic party has also attracted the Green New Deal and ANTIFA types. The undesirables of each party have moved into the vocal and power positions in each party. In the 1992 election, there was a lot of people that were undecided about who to vote for. Neither was as bad of choice, IMO, as we have today. Less and less people leaning left would vote for Trump and less and less people leaning right would vote for Biden.
A group with a black latino leader, and 10%-20% non white membership, is a white supremeacist group?
I voted for a Republcan for President, not a slimmy corporate good ole boy.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:42 am
by kalm
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:27 am
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:26 pm
A group with a black latino leader, and 10%-20% non white membership, is a white supremeacist group?
I voted for a Rebublcan for President, not a slimmy corporate good ole boy.
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:57 am
by Gil Dobie
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:26 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:28 am
Republican party has attracted the
Proud Boys, KKK and other
white supremacist groups in recent years. The Democratic party has also attracted the Green New Deal and ANTIFA types. The undesirables of each party have moved into the vocal and power positions in each party. In the 1992 election, there was a lot of people that were undecided about who to vote for. Neither was as bad of choice, IMO, as we have today. Less and less people leaning left would vote for Trump and less and less people leaning right would vote for Biden.
A group with a black latino leader, and 10%-20% non white membership, is a white supremeacist group?
2 white supremacist's groups are okay, but 3 are too many?
Re: Republican Party Has Moved Right
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:30 am
by BDKJMU
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:57 am
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:26 pm
A group with a black latino leader, and 10%-20% non white membership, is a white supremeacist group?
2 white supremacist's groups are okay, but 3 are too many?
You mentioned 2 groups, 1 of whom is white supremacist. So try again.