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CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:29 pm

89Hen wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:27 pm

You're so cute.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:45 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:31 am
I would add that you DO have to look at the character of the person. If someone is known to have no integrity, for instance, then you know won't be able to trust them. If I can't trust my leader, I can'e vote for them. The policies are important, but the personality is equally important. If their personality is so vile that that can't work with both parties, then it doesn't really matter how good their policies may be b/c they'll never get anywhere.

It's difficult to reconcile the character of a candidate with their positions and what they want to do. But you also need to take into account that while the President can support ideas and have an agenda - he's basically powerless if he can't work with 535 Congresspeople. Executive Actions only have so much force and effect.

Hillary Clinton could run on the GOP platform and she still wouldn't get my vote b/c she lacks integrity. She is a phony, plain and simple.


Really, i'm looking forward to Nikki Haley 2024. It can't come soon enough.

Are you speaking of Trump here? Because while personality is important, his lack of one doesn’t appear to have stopped him from getting a lot of shit done. He accomplished more in 4 years than Obama could only dream of in 8. And a shitload of it helped black People.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:45 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:31 am
I would add that you DO have to look at the character of the person. If someone is known to have no integrity, for instance, then you know won't be able to trust them. If I can't trust my leader, I can'e vote for them. The policies are important, but the personality is equally important. If their personality is so vile that that can't work with both parties, then it doesn't really matter how good their policies may be b/c they'll never get anywhere.

It's difficult to reconcile the character of a candidate with their positions and what they want to do. But you also need to take into account that while the President can support ideas and have an agenda - he's basically powerless if he can't work with 535 Congresspeople. Executive Actions only have so much force and effect.

Hillary Clinton could run on the GOP platform and she still wouldn't get my vote b/c she lacks integrity. She is a phony, plain and simple.


Really, i'm looking forward to Nikki Haley 2024. It can't come soon enough.

Are you speaking of Trump here? Because while personality is important, his lack of one doesn’t appear to have stopped him from getting a lot of shit done. He accomplished more in 4 years than Obama could only dream of in 8. And a shitload of it helped black People.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:28 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:45 pm

Are you speaking of Trump here? Because while personality is important, his lack of one doesn’t appear to have stopped him from getting a lot of shit done. He accomplished more in 4 years than Obama could only dream of in 8. And a shitload of it helped black People.

I keep trying to point this out to those who say Trump is an idiot. An idiot just ran circles around the establishment Uniparty and you want to admit that? What does that say about the establishment?

Lazy as shit and full of lip service.

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:12 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:01 pm

There’s nobody running who fits that profile

You guys are right. I forgot a whataboutBiden? comment with that.

I’m voting for the candidate that at least has/had some trace of uniting people and intellectual curiosity.

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:10 am

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:12 pm



You guys are right. I forgot a whataboutBiden? comment with that.

I’m voting for the candidate that at least has/had some trace of uniting people and intellectual curiosity.

So not Trump or Biden.

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:23 am

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:10 am
So not Trump or Biden.

This time it’s not about sides or protest votes against a binary system. This time it’s about America. It’s my patriotic and moral duty to vote against Trump.

A vote for Trump is a vote for emboldened stupidity.

I’ll forgive those who do but their misguided choices are disheartening and they will be forever marked as semi-dangerous.

(Until it takes long enough for most of them to disavow ever having given that support.)

Pwns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:54 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:28 pm

I keep trying to point this out to those who say Trump is an idiot. An idiot just ran circles around the establishment Uniparty and you want to admit that? What does that say about the establishment?

Lazy as shit and full of lip service.

The reality is this country has been ripe for a culturally conservative and economically left-center candidate for a while, and Trump (sort of) campaigned on that. He didn't outwit anyone as much as he governs more in the ideological centroid of the country than either party.



If the Democrats want to dominate they've got to give up the identity politics and the GOP needs to give up the fat cats who don't care if the woke burn the country down as long as they can make lots of money with commie Chinese who are catching up with us militarily and economically.

This is one graph that explains Trump's win:

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:23 am

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:10 am
So not Trump or Biden.

This time it’s not about sides or protest votes against a binary system. This time it’s about America. It’s my patriotic and moral duty to vote against Trump.

A vote for Trump is a vote for emboldened stupidity.

I’ll forgive those who do but their misguided choices are disheartening and they will be forever marked as semi-dangerous.

(Until it takes long enough for most of them to disavow ever having given that support.)

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:24 am

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:23 am

This time it’s not about sides or protest votes against a binary system. This time it’s about America. It’s my patriotic and moral duty to vote against Trump.

A vote for Trump is a vote for emboldened stupidity.

I’ll forgive those who do but their misguided choices are disheartening and they will be forever marked as semi-dangerous.

(Until it takes long enough for most of them to disavow ever having given that support.)

That's not what you said.

Pwns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:54 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:28 pm

I keep trying to point this out to those who say Trump is an idiot. An idiot just ran circles around the establishment Uniparty and you want to admit that? What does that say about the establishment?

Lazy as shit and full of lip service.

The reality is this country has been ripe for a culturally conservative and economically left-center candidate for a while, and Trump (sort of) campaigned on that. He didn't outwit anyone as much as he governs more in the ideological centroid of the country than either party.



If the Democrats want to dominate they've got to give up the identity politics and the GOP needs to give up the fat cats who don't care if the woke burn the country down as long as they can make lots of money with commie Chinese who are catching up with us militarily and economically.

This is one graph that explains Trump's win:

Pwns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:54 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:28 pm

I keep trying to point this out to those who say Trump is an idiot. An idiot just ran circles around the establishment Uniparty and you want to admit that? What does that say about the establishment?

Lazy as shit and full of lip service.

The reality is this country has been ripe for a culturally conservative and economically left-center candidate for a while, and Trump (sort of) campaigned on that. He didn't outwit anyone as much as he governs more in the ideological centroid of the country than either party.



If the Democrats want to dominate they've got to give up the identity politics and the GOP needs to give up the fat cats who don't care if the woke burn the country down as long as they can make lots of money with commie Chinese who are catching up with us militarily and economically.

This is one graph that explains Trump's win:

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 am

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:24 am

That's not what you said.

You’re right. It really isn’t about Biden’s ability to unite and intellectual curiosity. He’s a politician and shouldn’t be trusted.

But in all seriousness, and I think it was Mattis who mentioned it, Trump is the first President in our lifetimes who displays no interest in unifying the country. If anything, he thrives from the opposite as Gannon has pointed out.

This crisis is world changing and difficult to navigate without all of the fog of war bullshit emboldened by those who play loose with the facts and science for political gain. And Trump is the leader. And yes both sides do it. I just happen to think we are years away from any semblance of normalcy. We need honesty, the best science driven information at the moment, and patience.

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:45 am

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 am

You’re right. It really isn’t about Biden’s ability to unite and intellectual curiosity. He’s a politician and shouldn’t be trusted.

But in all seriousness, and I think it was Mattis who mentioned it, Trump is the first President in our lifetimes who displays no interest in unifying the country. If anything, he thrives from the opposite as Gannon has pointed out.

This crisis is world changing and difficult to navigate without all of the fog of war bullshit emboldened by those who play loose with the facts and science for political gain. And Trump is the leader. And yes both sides do it. I just happen to think we are years away from any semblance of normalcy. We need honesty, the best science driven information at the moment, and patience.

As long as you realize Biden is no better.

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 am

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:24 am

That's not what you said.

You’re right. It really isn’t about Biden’s ability to unite and intellectual curiosity. He’s a politician and shouldn’t be trusted.

But in all seriousness, and I think it was Mattis who mentioned it, Trump is the first President in our lifetimes who displays no interest in unifying the country. If anything, he thrives from the opposite as Gannon has pointed out.

This crisis is world changing and difficult to navigate without all of the fog of war bullshit emboldened by those who play loose with the facts and science for political gain. And Trump is the leader. And yes both sides do it. I just happen to think we are years away from any semblance of normalcy. We need honesty, the best science driven information at the moment, and patience.

TheDancinMonarch wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:00 am

Pwns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:54 am

The reality is this country has been ripe for a culturally conservative and economically left-center candidate for a while, and Trump (sort of) campaigned on that. He didn't outwit anyone as much as he governs more in the ideological centroid of the country than either party.



If the Democrats want to dominate they've got to give up the identity politics and the GOP needs to give up the fat cats who don't care if the woke burn the country down as long as they can make lots of money with commie Chinese who are catching up with us militarily and economically.

This is one graph that explains Trump's win:

This is the 21st century. The "fat cats" are the Democrats.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:04 am

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 am

You’re right. It really isn’t about Biden’s ability to unite and intellectual curiosity. He’s a politician and shouldn’t be trusted.

But in all seriousness, and I think it was Mattis who mentioned it, Trump is the first President in our lifetimes who displays no interest in unifying the country. If anything, he thrives from the opposite as Gannon has pointed out.

This crisis is world changing and difficult to navigate without all of the fog of war bullshit emboldened by those who play loose with the facts and science for political gain. And Trump is the leader. And yes both sides do it. I just happen to think we are years away from any semblance of normalcy. We need honesty, the best science driven information at the moment, and patience.

Not to come across as harsh, but this is horse shit. Even if Trump kissed ass until the cows came home, the Left would still hate him and be offended over everything.

Trump does best to just ignore the peanut gallery.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:04 am

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:50 am

You’re right. It really isn’t about Biden’s ability to unite and intellectual curiosity. He’s a politician and shouldn’t be trusted.

But in all seriousness, and I think it was Mattis who mentioned it, Trump is the first President in our lifetimes who displays no interest in unifying the country. If anything, he thrives from the opposite as Gannon has pointed out.

This crisis is world changing and difficult to navigate without all of the fog of war bullshit emboldened by those who play loose with the facts and science for political gain. And Trump is the leader. And yes both sides do it. I just happen to think we are years away from any semblance of normalcy. We need honesty, the best science driven information at the moment, and patience.

Not to come across as harsh, but this is horse shit. Even if Trump kissed ass until the cows came home, the Left would still hate him and be offended over everything.

Trump does best to just ignore the peanut gallery.

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:44 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:04 am

Not to come across as harsh, but this is horse shit. Even if Trump kissed ass until the cows came home, the Left would still hate him and be offended over everything.

Trump does best to just ignore the peanut gallery.

His base is literally the peanut gallery.

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:00 am Biden and those he will appoint will be better. It’s not even close.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:33 am

TheDancinMonarch wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:00 am

This is the 21st century. The "fat cats" are the Democrats.

The leader of the Republican Party is a billionaire. The richest Senator and Representative are both Republicans. Not to mention McConnel and Romney. Pelosi is wealthy, as are several others but I honestly couldn't name them. Unless i'm way off base, the wealthiest "leaders" we have are Republicans.

According to open secrets, the wealthy back the Republicans more than the Democrats, though that can ebb and flow with election cycle and candidate.

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:32 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:00 am Biden and those he will appoint will be better. It’s not even close.

Better at being uniters? No.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:33 am

TheDancinMonarch wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:00 am

This is the 21st century. The "fat cats" are the Democrats.

The leader of the Republican Party is a billionaire. The richest Senator and Representative are both Republicans. Not to mention McConnel and Romney. Pelosi is wealthy, as are several others but I honestly couldn't name them. Unless i'm way off base, the wealthiest "leaders" we have are Republicans.

According to open secrets, the wealthy back the Republicans more than the Democrats, though that can ebb and flow with election cycle and candidate.

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:44 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:04 am

Not to come across as harsh, but this is horse shit. Even if Trump kissed ass until the cows came home, the Left would still hate him and be offended over everything.

Trump does best to just ignore the peanut gallery.

His base is literally the peanut gallery.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:35 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:44 am
His base is literally the peanut gallery.

Wrong.