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GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:56 am Obviously a big topic as you can't help but to see photos and videos of voters standing in line for hours, some lucky enough to have brought along chairs so they can stand in line. From where I come from (PA) this is all foreign to me. Longest voting line I've ever stood in was about ten people deep. And that was even with a polling place that had just two voting machines.

So my question is, what's gone wrong in Georgia over the past day or so and is it voter suppression or something else? If it's suppression, then why? I don't see a lot of details in the news other than claiming it is and despairing for those affected. If it's not suppression, why the lines and what should be done about it?

I'm at that point in the election season where I'm growing weary of hearing the complaining and not hearing the specifics on how to fix it, other than to vote for a person who doesn't have any specifics.

The long waits, images of which circulated online Monday, were not limited to heavily Democratic areas; as the Washington Post reported, some small conservative counties were also beset by delays. But, the Post reported, lines were longest in blue areas, which critics blasted as voter suppression.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:56 am Obviously a big topic as you can't help but to see photos and videos of voters standing in line for hours, some lucky enough to have brought along chairs so they can stand in line. From where I come from (PA) this is all foreign to me. Longest voting line I've ever stood in was about ten people deep. And that was even with a polling place that had just two voting machines.

So my question is, what's gone wrong in Georgia over the past day or so and is it voter suppression or something else? If it's suppression, then why? I don't see a lot of details in the news other than claiming it is and despairing for those affected. If it's not suppression, why the lines and what should be done about it?

I'm at that point in the election season where I'm growing weary of hearing the complaining and not hearing the specifics on how to fix it, other than to vote for a person who doesn't have any specifics.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:31 am Local officials are in charge of running the elections. Can’t be conks fault for long lines in donk areas.

So they started voting 22 days before the election. Maybe the early voting days are only designed to handle a small percentage of the electorate a day, which is fine if a large chunk of the electorate doesn’t try to come out on the 1st day. If I saw that large a line, I’d be f it, will come back on another day when there’s little to no line at all..

Ibanez wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:35 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:56 am Obviously a big topic as you can't help but to see photos and videos of voters standing in line for hours, some lucky enough to have brought along chairs so they can stand in line. From where I come from (PA) this is all foreign to me. Longest voting line I've ever stood in was about ten people deep. And that was even with a polling place that had just two voting machines.

So my question is, what's gone wrong in Georgia over the past day or so and is it voter suppression or something else? If it's suppression, then why? I don't see a lot of details in the news other than claiming it is and despairing for those affected. If it's not suppression, why the lines and what should be done about it?

I'm at that point in the election season where I'm growing weary of hearing the complaining and not hearing the specifics on how to fix it, other than to vote for a person who doesn't have any specifics.

I've not seen anything in the news...can you provide a link? There's something on Drudge about long lines in Cobb County.

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:31 pm Republicans are clearly engaged in voter suppression. It's all over the place and it's obvious.

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:31 pm Republicans are clearly engaged in voter suppression. It's all over the place and it's obvious.

Other small things are adding to the longer waits: Voters are taking longer than they would in a primary or non-presidential election year to complete a ballot because of the many races and ballot questions, Royston said. The extra step of printing and scanning a voter’s ballot, part of the new voting machines rolled out early this year, also makes the process slower.

Another factor are voters who requested absentee ballots but come to vote in-person. Poll workers can cancel absentee ballots, but the extra steps require more time.

Even if everything else in the voting process was perfectly executed, the reduced capacity of many longtime polling places meant fewer people could cast a vote at once. The number of issuing stations — where voters check in and get the card used to cast their ballot — was reduced in some locations to allow for social distancing. The bulky machines which require a separate scanner take up more room than the voting machines used in previous years, allowing for fewer in each room.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:53 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:35 am

I've not seen anything in the news...can you provide a link? There's something on Drudge about long lines in Cobb County.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/politics ... index.html

https://twitter.com/clairecmc/status/13 ... 7817139206

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:31 pm Republicans are clearly engaged in voter suppression. It's all over the place and it's obvious.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:28 pm

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:31 pm Republicans are clearly engaged in voter suppression. It's all over the place and it's obvious.

Wrong Herr Mengele. Giant lines in majority donk run precincts on the 1st couple of days of 3 weeks of early voting doesn't equal voter suppression.

From the left leaning AJC:

Other small things are adding to the longer waits: Voters are taking longer than they would in a primary or non-presidential election year to complete a ballot because of the many races and ballot questions, Royston said. The extra step of printing and scanning a voter’s ballot, part of the new voting machines rolled out early this year, also makes the process slower.

Another factor are voters who requested absentee ballots but come to vote in-person. Poll workers can cancel absentee ballots, but the extra steps require more time.

Even if everything else in the voting process was perfectly executed, the reduced capacity of many longtime polling places meant fewer people could cast a vote at once. The number of issuing stations — where voters check in and get the card used to cast their ballot — was reduced in some locations to allow for social distancing. The bulky machines which require a separate scanner take up more room than the voting machines used in previous years, allowing for fewer in each room.

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/l ... 6K5U6F7UU/

Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:32 am

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:28 pm
Wrong Herr Mengele. Giant lines in majority donk run precincts on the 1st couple of days of 3 weeks of early voting doesn't equal voter suppression.

From the left leaning AJC:

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/l ... 6K5U6F7UU/

Donk or Conk, it doesn't matter. People turning out to vote is a good thing. Are the Proud Boys or Black Panthers intimidating voters? Are there bands of people out there harassing people in line?


I don't see the supression...or maybe GFs title is tongue in cheek?

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:57 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:32 am

Donk or Conk, it doesn't matter. People turning out to vote is a good thing. Are the Proud Boys or Black Panthers intimidating voters? Are there bands of people out there harassing people in line?


I don't see the supression...or maybe GFs title is tongue in cheek?

No, an honest question. Voter suppression is assumed to be a solid fact, and those images of the long lines of voters in Georgia were beamed worldwide as absolute proof of that suppression. Being an engineer, I like to fix things, so my question was 1) was that voter suppression? 2) what caused that alleged voter suppression to happen and 3) what needs to change so that we don't have that happen again. Like most things political, there's a lot of casting about of name-calling and accusations and very little substance, and certainly no attempt to fix, things that might be wrong.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:04 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:57 am

No, an honest question. Voter suppression is assumed to be a solid fact, and those images of the long lines of voters in Georgia were beamed worldwide as absolute proof of that suppression. Being an engineer, I like to fix things, so my question was 1) was that voter suppression? 2) what caused that alleged voter suppression to happen and 3) what needs to change so that we don't have that happen again. Like most things political, there's a lot of casting about of name-calling and accusations and very little substance, and certainly no attempt to fix, things that might be wrong.

Oh, I didn't read it as suppression. Just some good ole voting.

With polls showing Biden up 7pts in Ga, you'd think CNN and their ilk would have a more positive spin on it.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:08 am I mean, Pelosi just accused CNN of being GOP apologists

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:57 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:32 am

Donk or Conk, it doesn't matter. People turning out to vote is a good thing. Are the Proud Boys or Black Panthers intimidating voters? Are there bands of people out there harassing people in line?


I don't see the supression...or maybe GFs title is tongue in cheek?

No, an honest question. Voter suppression is assumed to be a solid fact, and those images of the long lines of voters in Georgia were beamed worldwide as absolute proof of that suppression. Being an engineer, I like to fix things, so my question was 1) was that voter suppression? 2) what caused that alleged voter suppression to happen and 3) what needs to change so that we don't have that happen again. Like most things political, there's a lot of casting about of name-calling and accusations and very little substance, and certainly no attempt to fix, things that might be wrong.

89Hen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:47 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:08 am I mean, Pelosi just accused CNN of being GOP apologists

She went nuts on Wolf yesterday or the day before. She is one ugly person.

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:54 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:57 am

No, an honest question. Voter suppression is assumed to be a solid fact, and those images of the long lines of voters in Georgia were beamed worldwide as absolute proof of that suppression. Being an engineer, I like to fix things, so my question was 1) was that voter suppression? 2) what caused that alleged voter suppression to happen and 3) what needs to change so that we don't have that happen again. Like most things political, there's a lot of casting about of name-calling and accusations and very little substance, and certainly no attempt to fix, things that might be wrong.

The suppression typically occurs WAY before the polls open so no, the long lines are not suppression, they’re symptoms.

Observers using Election Day intimidation tactics and illegal vote accounting would be suppression.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:24 am

kalm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:54 am

The suppression typically occurs WAY before the polls open so no, the long lines are not suppression, they’re symptoms.

Observers using Election Day intimidation tactics and illegal vote accounting would be suppression.

Well, there are plenty of people calling up those photos and videos and calling it suppression. Like I said, it irks me that we call it that but then never seem to want to wade into the deep end to figure out how to fix things. I get the sense we don't really want to fix things if it can be a wedge issue every election. It's like immigration in that way. Why solve something if you can campaign on it?