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Regardless of the validity of the charges, Trump is well within his powers to commute/pardon per the constitution. We may not like that this person or that person gets a commuted sentence but nothing illegal was done here. It'll certainly give fuel to the liberals but that would happened with ANYONE that Trump pardons/commutes.

I second CIDs statement about the DoJ. But we all know that isn't going to happen. Our government is fully corrupt and our leadership spineless.
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CID1990 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:02 pm
UNI88 wrote:Did Trump commute the sentence because it was unjust or because Stone licked his ballsack?

Trump thinks that any accusations against him or his ballsack lickers are unjust while any accusations against his opponents or anyone he feels has betrayed him are completely justified.
That’s true about Trump and his toadies

But none of this changes the salient fact that the whole “collusion” story was a manufactured conspiracy theory - which was used by anti-Trump bureaucrats to try to undo the results of an election

No conspiracy theory - no Roger Stone or Flynn charges... its that simple

We should all be happy this turned out the way it did, because the manipulations that hamstrung our executive and legislative branches for the better part of 3 years could be turned on any President

My only hope is that some of these malfeasants in the DoJ get a day in court as a deterrent to other unelected officials who may be tempted to break their oaths of office


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This. And it's one of the things that, with all things Trump, may get lost in the morass that is Trump's presidency - we had a previous administration investigating the election campaign of a rival party, and then set the wheels in motion to have that incoming administration be investigated the moment it took office, and all based on what's now been proven to be completely groundless information, even more so, groundless information that people knew was groundless but still used to further the investigation. As far as I know, that's without precedence in our republic. I get it that Trump is detestable, but that should never have driven the conduct of elected and unelected officials to circumvent the system the way they did to oppose that administration. With our leaders acting like this, are we surprised that we have such a lack of trust in leadership in this country even in turbulent times as these?
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:22 am
No conspiracy theory = no Stone charges
Yeah...the prosecutors, judges, and jury were wrong and Trump is right. Justice is served! :lol:
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CID1990 wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:40 am
kalm wrote:
Yeah...the prosecutors, judges, and jury were wrong and Trump is right. Justice is served! :lol:
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Below list is of 10/5/18. Updated with Trump's current 34 as per wiki.
These counts include all grants of clemency (convictions pardoned, commuted, and rescinded).
Rank # President Pardons
1 32 Franklin D. Roosevelt 3,687
2 28 Woodrow Wilson 2,480
3 33 Harry S. Truman 2,044
4 44 Barack Obama 1,927
5 30 Calvin Coolidge 1,545
6 31 Herbert Hoover 1,385
7 18 Ulysses S. Grant 1,332
8 36 Lyndon B. Johnson 1,187
9 34 Dwight D. Eisenhower 1,157
10 22 & 24 Grover Cleveland 1,107*
11 26 Theodore Roosevelt 981*
12 37 Richard M. Nixon 926
13 25 William McKinley 918*
14 19 Rutherford B. Hayes 893
15 29 Warren G. Harding 800
16 27 William H. Taft 758
17 17 Andrew Johnson 654
18 23 Benjamin Harrison 613
19 35 John F. Kennedy 575
20 39 Jimmy Carter 566
21 42 Bill Clinton 459
22 5 James Monroe 419
23 38 Gerald R. Ford 409
24 40 Ronald Reagan 406
25 7 Andrew Jackson 386
26 16 Abraham Lincoln 343
27 21 Chester A. Arthur 337
28 11 James K. Polk 268
29 10 John Tyler 209
30 43 George W. Bush 200
31 4 James Madison 196
32 6 John Quincy Adams 183
33 13 Millard Fillmore 170
34 8 Martin Van Buren 168
35 15 James Buchanan 150
36 14 Franklin Pierce 142
37 3 Thomas Jefferson 119
38 41 George H. W. Bush 77
39 12 Zachary Taylor 38
40 45 Donald J. Trump 34
41 2 John Adams 21
42 1 George Washington 16
43 9 William Henry Harrison 0
43 20 James A. Garfield
https://www.potus.com/presidential-fact ... mutations/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... nald_Trump
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BDKJMU wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:58 am
Below list is of 10/5/18. Updated with Trump's current 34 as per wiki.
These counts include all grants of clemency (convictions pardoned, commuted, and rescinded).
Rank # President Pardons
1 32 Franklin D. Roosevelt 3,687
2 28 Woodrow Wilson 2,480
3 33 Harry S. Truman 2,044
4 44 Barack Obama 1,927
5 30 Calvin Coolidge 1,545
6 31 Herbert Hoover 1,385
7 18 Ulysses S. Grant 1,332
8 36 Lyndon B. Johnson 1,187
9 34 Dwight D. Eisenhower 1,157
10 22 & 24 Grover Cleveland 1,107*
11 26 Theodore Roosevelt 981*
12 37 Richard M. Nixon 926
13 25 William McKinley 918*
14 19 Rutherford B. Hayes 893
15 29 Warren G. Harding 800
16 27 William H. Taft 758
17 17 Andrew Johnson 654
18 23 Benjamin Harrison 613
19 35 John F. Kennedy 575
20 39 Jimmy Carter 566
21 42 Bill Clinton 459
22 5 James Monroe 419
23 38 Gerald R. Ford 409
24 40 Ronald Reagan 406
25 7 Andrew Jackson 386
26 16 Abraham Lincoln 343
27 21 Chester A. Arthur 337
28 11 James K. Polk 268
29 10 John Tyler 209
30 43 George W. Bush 200
31 4 James Madison 196
32 6 John Quincy Adams 183
33 13 Millard Fillmore 170
34 8 Martin Van Buren 168
35 15 James Buchanan 150
36 14 Franklin Pierce 142
37 3 Thomas Jefferson 119
38 41 George H. W. Bush 77
39 12 Zachary Taylor 38
40 45 Donald J. Trump 34
41 2 John Adams 21
42 1 George Washington 16
43 9 William Henry Harrison 0
43 20 James A. Garfield
https://www.potus.com/presidential-fact ... mutations/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... nald_Trump

Obama granting a near record # of commutations & pardons...MSM was
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It isn't the number of pardons/commutations rather it's who is getting them. :twocents: Who cares that Bill Clinton pardoned 459 people? You should be concerned about him pardoning Marc Rich. Or Ford pardoning Nixon. Things like that which appear to be extremely biased and/or controversial.
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Ibanez is correct about quality over quantity. But even regarding quantity, a President commuting more people isn't a bad thing. It means a President is doing their job, reading up on and actually reviewing cases. Sure they'll make some bad calls, but it shows some dedication to the role of the Presidency. And in many cases, the times people were sentenced in were overly harsh and the President is doing their job - as executor of laws - to bring the sentences to modern standards. If anything, it shows compassion and a willingness to not keep prisoners stuck in the past.

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Ibanez wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:08 pm
BDKJMU wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:58 am
Below list is of 10/5/18. Updated with Trump's current 34 as per wiki.


https://www.potus.com/presidential-fact ... mutations/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... nald_Trump

Obama granting a near record # of commutations & pardons...MSM was
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It isn't the number of pardons/commutations rather it's who is getting them. :twocents: Who cares that Bill Clinton pardoned 459 people? You should be concerned about him pardoning Marc Rich. Or Ford pardoning Nixon. Things like that which appear to be extremely biased and/or controversial.
I am. I remembered that from when I was in my 20s. Was a complete crock.

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BDKJMU wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:42 pm
Ibanez wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:08 pm

It isn't the number of pardons/commutations rather it's who is getting them. :twocents: Who cares that Bill Clinton pardoned 459 people? You should be concerned about him pardoning Marc Rich. Or Ford pardoning Nixon. Things like that which appear to be extremely biased and/or controversial.
I am. I remembered that from when I was in my 20s. Was a complete crock.
I remember it, as well. I was 17ish.
Quantity is nice but quality matters more, IMO.


If we're looking at Quantity - it seems that Democrats are more likely to be compassionate than Republicans. At least in the Top 10.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:06 pm
UNI88 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:45 pm


Trumplorables are ballsack lickers because it hints at their repressed homosexuality. I a name that would apply equally to the socialisdiots but I'm open to suggestions.



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Repressed homosexuality? That’s beneath you, 88.
Its on him, in him and all over him. These same people are the ones that immediately say gun owners care compensating for a small dick if they want to protect there loved ones property and freedom. Look, look over there nothing to see here

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Bobcat wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:20 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:06 pm

Repressed homosexuality? That’s beneath you, 88.
Its on him, in him and all over him. These same people are the ones that immediately say gun owners care compensating for a small dick if they want to protect there loved ones property and freedom. Look, look over there nothing to see here


I've been teasing Alphie and BDK about their repressed homosexuality for a while. They take it and dish it back out better than you.

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I think it says more about you than them

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Bobcat wrote:
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I think it says more about you than them
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C’mon, Trump. Manafort is waiting!
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