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UNI88 wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:47 pm
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John. Trump is not the Christian savior. Supporting Trump does not equate one to being a hypocrite.
Which Commandments has Trump broken?
  • Thou shalt have no other gods before me - Trump worships himself before all others
  • Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - What is prominently displayed on any building owned by Trump?
  • Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy - does he respect the sabbath?
  • Thou shalt not commit adultery - Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, etc.
  • Thou shalt not steal - He was a New York City real estate developer, he definitely cheated and stole from people.
  • Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor - A list of all his BS tweets and statements would be very long.
  • Thou shalt not covet - Is he really a billionaire? I don't think so but he sure likes to pretend that he was a successful businessman.
Christians who support Trump are definitely demonstrating their ability to forgive. I just wish they could show the same compassion toward the poor, LBGTQ, etc.
How would Hillary have been a better choice for Christians? That was the choice. Either Trump or Hillary.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
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Hillary is way more of a Christian than Trump is. But that's not what it's about. The question is about supporting someone as evil as Trump is. And those hypocrites that call themselves Christians who did that did that.
Hillary is way more than a Christian than Trump? You don't think Hillary's stance on abortion is problematic in attracting Christians?
Please let me know where Jesus talked about abortion (or homosexuality). He did talk about feeding the poor, healing the sick, rioted in the temple and trashed the banks.
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SDHornet wrote:
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Jesus supported Hillary?
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Jesus plays on my softball team, and he supported Hillary!
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dbackjon wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:17 pm
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Hillary is way more than a Christian than Trump? You don't think Hillary's stance on abortion is problematic in attracting Christians?
Please let me know where Jesus talked about abortion (or homosexuality). He did talk about feeding the poor, healing the sick, rioted in the temple and trashed the banks.
You know as well as everyone else, that many Christians equate abortion to murder.

As far as your other statements, I can only speak of my own church that does a fairly large amount of works to support the poor and sick. I can't tell you exactly how many people outside the church come to us looking for assistance, but it is rarely denied. Many are not members of the church nor Christians.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:21 pm
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Yeah that pretty much applies to Trump supporters who call themselves Christian as well. Christian supporting Trump = hypocrite.
As an agnostic, you have no standing to make any faith-based argument. :|
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dbackjon wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:18 pm
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Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:41 pm

:lol: :notworthy:
Jesus plays on my softball team, and he supported Hillary!
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SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:25 pm
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Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:17 pm


Please let me know where Jesus talked about abortion (or homosexuality). He did talk about feeding the poor, healing the sick, rioted in the temple and trashed the banks.
You know as well as everyone else, that many Christians equate abortion to murder.

As far as your other statements, I can only speak of my own church that does a fairly large amount of works to support the poor and sick. I can't tell you exactly how many people outside the church come to us looking for assistance, but it is rarely denied. Many are not members of the church nor Christians.
Those are the great things that religious folks do and there is much of it that deserves more attention.

Not singling you out here, SG, but it seems to me that religion is way too often still used as an atonement crutch for selfish (unchristian) behavior. Trump and Trump supporters are a shining example of that right now.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:06 pm
UNI88 wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:47 pm

Which Commandments has Trump broken?
  • Thou shalt have no other gods before me - Trump worships himself before all others
  • Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - What is prominently displayed on any building owned by Trump?
  • Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy - does he respect the sabbath?
  • Thou shalt not commit adultery - Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, etc.
  • Thou shalt not steal - He was a New York City real estate developer, he definitely cheated and stole from people.
  • Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor - A list of all his BS tweets and statements would be very long.
  • Thou shalt not covet - Is he really a billionaire? I don't think so but he sure likes to pretend that he was a successful businessman.
Christians who support Trump are definitely demonstrating their ability to forgive. I just wish they could show the same compassion toward the poor, LBGTQ, etc.
How would Hillary have been a better choice for Christians? That was the choice. Either Trump or Hillary.
Did I say Hillary would have been a better choice? I can understand how someone chose Trump as the lesser of two evils. But he is still wicked so I reserve the right to mock the hypocrisy of anyone, especially Christians, who defend, rationalize or overlook his many moral shortcomings. He is a cockroach in more ways than one.

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kalm wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:57 pm
Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:21 pm


As an agnostic, you have no standing to make any faith-based argument. :|
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Well I didn’t vote for ya.
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UNI88 wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:22 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:06 pm


How would Hillary have been a better choice for Christians? That was the choice. Either Trump or Hillary.
Did I say Hillary would have been a better choice? I can understand how someone chose Trump as the lesser of two evils. But he is still wicked so I reserve the right to mock the hypocrisy of anyone, especially Christians, who defend, rationalize or overlook his many moral shortcomings. He is a cockroach in more ways than one.
So what do you expect of Christians in regards to Trump? By the way, are you Christian?

I think where we are not seeing eye to eye, is that I don't support Trump the man. I support the job that Trump is performing as the President.

Hell, I wouldn't support 30% of my own actions.
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SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:25 pm
UNI88 wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:22 pm

Did I say Hillary would have been a better choice? I can understand how someone chose Trump as the lesser of two evils. But he is still wicked so I reserve the right to mock the hypocrisy of anyone, especially Christians, who defend, rationalize or overlook his many moral shortcomings. He is a cockroach in more ways than one.
So what do you expect of Christians in regards to Trump? By the way, are you Christian?

I think where we are not seeing eye to eye, is that I don't support Trump the man. I support the job that Trump is performing as the President.

Hell, I wouldn't support 30% of my own actions.
You're fine as long as you're not defending the stupid shit Trump has done or said. You can support his policies (tax cut, China tariffs, etc.) without condoning his behavior by defending, rationalizing, or overlooking it. Anyone who calls Biden, "Creepy Uncle Joe" but isn't equally or more critical of Trump's sexual misconduct is a hypocrite. Trump is a cockroach.

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UNI88 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:21 pm
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Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:25 pm


So what do you expect of Christians in regards to Trump? By the way, are you Christian?

I think where we are not seeing eye to eye, is that I don't support Trump the man. I support the job that Trump is performing as the President.

Hell, I wouldn't support 30% of my own actions.
You're fine as long as you're not defending the stupid shit Trump has done or said. You can support his policies (tax cut, China tariffs, etc.) without condoning his behavior by defending, rationalizing, or overlooking it. Anyone who calls Biden, "Creepy Uncle Joe" but isn't equally or more critical of Trump's sexual misconduct is a hypocrite. Trump is a cockroach.

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SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:23 pm
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Yeah that pretty much applies to Trump supporters who call themselves Christian as well. Christian supporting Trump = hypocrite.
John. Trump is not the Christian savior. Supporting Trump does not equate one to being a hypocrite.
Supporting someone that is the antitheses of your principles and religion kind of does. :twocents: It at least makes his supporters unprincipled.
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dbackjon wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:17 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:58 pm


Hillary is way more than a Christian than Trump? You don't think Hillary's stance on abortion is problematic in attracting Christians?
Please let me know where Jesus talked about abortion (or homosexuality). He did talk about feeding the poor, healing the sick, rioted in the temple and trashed the banks.
:tothehand: :tothehand: :tothehand: HEY! Leave the banks outta this!
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Ibanez wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:48 am
SeattleGriz wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:23 pm


John. Trump is not the Christian savior. Supporting Trump does not equate one to being a hypocrite.
Supporting someone that is the antitheses of your principles and religion kind of does. :twocents: It at least makes his supporters unprincipled.
As I mentioned to UNI, I believe many support him as President and not the man, but to be honest, I've seen some real interesting ones out there.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:28 pm
UNI88 wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:21 pm

You're fine as long as you're not defending the stupid shit Trump has done or said. You can support his policies (tax cut, China tariffs, etc.) without condoning his behavior by defending, rationalizing, or overlooking it. Anyone who calls Biden, "Creepy Uncle Joe" but isn't equally or more critical of Trump's sexual misconduct is a hypocrite. Trump is a cockroach.

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UNI88 wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:36 am
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Thus saith Pope 88. :angel: Ego te absolvo...
I told you I was going to start my own religion. It won't be based on catholicism though so you can skip the Latin. :D
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SeattleGriz wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:50 am
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Supporting someone that is the antitheses of your principles and religion kind of does. :twocents: It at least makes his supporters unprincipled.
As I mentioned to UNI, I believe many support him as President and not the man, but to be honest, I've seen some real interesting ones out there.
I think it's difficult to separate the two and, IMHO, the MAGA crowd aka let me spend $1000s to buy Trump flags and wrap my car/boat/rv in TRUMP 2020 support the man b/c he's "pwns the libruls" or some other nonsense. :twocents:
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dbackjon wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:25 am
UNI88 wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:36 am

I told you I was going to start my own religion. It won't be based on catholicism though so you can skip the Latin. :D
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Did it ever occur to anyone else that the Big Bang was God sneezing?

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Did it ever occur to anyone else that the Big Bang was God sneezing?
We're living on a booger?

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UNI88 wrote:
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Did it ever occur to anyone else that the Big Bang was God sneezing?
We're living on a booger?
Or the sun is a booger we're revolving around. Big sneeze too, since the universe is still expanding.

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AshevilleApp wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:22 pm
Did it ever occur to anyone else that the Big Bang was God sneezing?
If it was a fart, does that change anything?
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UNI88 wrote:
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Will you be serving snacks at your services?
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Home brew, craft or PBR? Any locally sourced, organically grown small batch spirits instead?

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