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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:13 pm
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I am not that worried about him, true believer or not. The items that he would like to push are pretty well protected by existing court precedents and he is not that likely to raise taxes or expand the welfare state.

Harris on the other hand is much more likely to push for regulations and taxes that will directly impact my hobbies and wallet.
I'm more worried about Pence having the nuclear football than I am Trump and Trump's unpredictability and instability scare me.
Why? There are more checks and balances with the release of nuclear weapons than you can possibly imagine. Him going rogue and deciding to let off a few (and being able to) is not even worth considering. The only thing he can do is order a release, and then it has to be approved through multiple layers afterwards.
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93henfan wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:46 pm
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Pence scares me. He's worse than Ted Cruz. He comes across as a true believer. A religious zealot who would be fine with starting armageddon because it would bring about judgement day where he and his loved ones ascend into heaven while sinners descend into hell.
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Winterborn wrote:
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I'm more worried about Pence having the nuclear football than I am Trump and Trump's unpredictability and instability scare me.
Why? There are more checks and balances with the release of nuclear weapons than you can possibly imagine. Him going rogue and deciding to let off a few (and being able to) is not even worth considering. The only thing he can do is order a release, and then it has to be approved through multiple layers afterwards.
You're right but I have an extreme dislike for sanctimonious religious zealots be they Christian, Muslim or something else.

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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:52 pm
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:47 pm


Why? There are more checks and balances with the release of nuclear weapons than you can possibly imagine. Him going rogue and deciding to let off a few (and being able to) is not even worth considering. The only thing he can do is order a release, and then it has to be approved through multiple layers afterwards.
You're right but I have an extreme dislike for sanctimonious religious zealots be they Christian, Muslim or something else.
Fair enough and valid.

I have an extreme dislike for those on the extreme. Which might be a conundrum and I probably should spend some time contemplating that over a beer or two. :D
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As bad ad Biden is, the Democrats are energized for this election. They would vote for almost anyone over Trump. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt by saying almost anyone.
Well, they're doing their best to prove that. Who would've imagined in the time of the BLM protests and the End Racism movements and Defund the Police that the Democrats would actually roll out for their Presidential candidate an almost 80 year old white guy who put his kids in a white private school in opposition to desegregated busing that would've had his kids go to a much more diverse school and is also the same guy who, even when he still had all of his mental faculties, authored the crime bill in the 90's that was primarily responsible for incarcerating an entire generation of Black youths. And then on top of that the party picks a VP candidate who, as the top cop in her state, implemented a lot of what was in that crime bill, including sending to jail a host of Black youths for simple possession of marijuana, even while she went home and smoked some weed herself. And this is the ticket that will get 90% of the Black vote.

With Trump as President we already knew we were living in crazy times, but they just get crazier and crazier. I'm still hoping that the clouds break and we have some sanity when it comes around to 2024, but that's probably wishful thinking.
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So when are we going to talk about the POTUS intentionally sabotaging our own mailing system to improve his chances of re-election? Who needs Russian meddling when he can interfere with the election process himself.

House should vote on impeachment.

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So when are we going to talk about the POTUS intentionally sabotaging our own mailing system to improve his chances of re-election? Who needs Russian meddling when he can interfere with the election process himself.

House should vote on impeachment.
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House should vote on impeachment.
What is "something every good liberal has been saying since November 9, 2016?"
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∞∞∞ wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:28 pm
So when are we going to talk about the POTUS intentionally sabotaging our own mailing system to improve his chances of re-election? Who needs Russian meddling when he can interfere with the election process himself.

House should vote on impeachment.
Intentionally sabotaging the USPS to improve his chances of reelection is despicable and I wouldn't put it past Trump.

On the flip side, while the USPS does perform an important service it is inefficient. How much could they save if they went to every other day delivery? Half a zip code gets mail on Monday, Wednesday and Friday and the other half gets it on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. We don't need every day mail delivery.

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UNI88 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:55 pm
We don't need every day mail delivery.
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89Hen wrote:
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We don't need every day mail delivery.
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+2. I pick up my mail about every 8-10 days. I get maybe 1-2 pieces of useful info and the rest never makes it into the house.
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UNI88 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:55 pm
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:28 pm
So when are we going to talk about the POTUS intentionally sabotaging our own mailing system to improve his chances of re-election? Who needs Russian meddling when he can interfere with the election process himself.

House should vote on impeachment.
Intentionally sabotaging the USPS to improve his chances of reelection is despicable and I wouldn't put it past Trump.

On the flip side, while the USPS does perform an important service it is inefficient. How much could they save if they went to every other day delivery? Half a zip code gets mail on Monday, Wednesday and Friday and the other half gets it on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. We don't need every day mail delivery.
Proposals to end Saturday delivery and close inefficient small post offices have been shot down for years. “But I needs muh Bugtussle, SC post office!”
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Ivytalk wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:09 pm
UNI88 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:55 pm


Intentionally sabotaging the USPS to improve his chances of reelection is despicable and I wouldn't put it past Trump.

On the flip side, while the USPS does perform an important service it is inefficient. How much could they save if they went to every other day delivery? Half a zip code gets mail on Monday, Wednesday and Friday and the other half gets it on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. We don't need every day mail delivery.
Proposals to end Saturday delivery and close inefficient small post offices have been shot down for years. “But I needs muh Bugtussle, SC post office!”
We have a post office in the town I grew up in. Population of 90.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:09 pm
89Hen wrote:
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+1
+2. I pick up my mail about every 8-10 days. I get maybe 1-2 pieces of useful info and the rest never makes it into the house.
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Intentionally sabotaging the USPS to improve his chances of reelection is despicable and I wouldn't put it past Trump.
He admitted it.
President Donald Trump frankly acknowledged Thursday that he’s starving the U.S. Postal Service of money in order to make it harder to process an expected surge of mail-in ballots, which he worries could cost him the election.

In an interview on Fox Business Network, Trump explicitly noted two funding provisions that Democrats are seeking in a relief package that has stalled on Capitol Hill. Without the additional money, he said, the Postal Service won’t have the resources to handle a flood of ballots from voters who are seeking to avoid polling places during the coronavirus pandemic.
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You can't have a mail-in voting system if more than one half of one the major parties don't accept it. There's MUST be an overwhelming, bi-partisan consensus for this to work.

It's amazing how myopic we've become. The coming shit-show might be the stiffest test this nation will face in over 150 years.

And the Democrats are giving Trump, should he lose, a built-in reason to reject the election results.

This is the wrong time in out history to try something so dramatically different than what he have done before.

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JoltinJoe wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:34 pm
You can't have a mail-in voting system if more than one half of one the major parties don't accept it. There's MUST be an overwhelming, bi-partisan consensus for this to work.

It's amazing how myopic we've become. The coming shit-show might be the stiffest test this nation will face in over 150 years.

And the Democrats are giving Trump, should he lose, a built-in reason to reject the election results.

This is the wrong time in out history to try something so dramatically different than what he have done before.
Isn't the opposite also true with Trump gutting the USPS?

If COVID19 makes voting in-person difficult and we can't use mail-in voting, why not expand the timeframe for voting? There should be a way to overcome physical distancing restrictions and still allow people to vote. The problem is that both sides are stuck on stupid and want a solution most likely to benefit them.

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JoltinJoe wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:34 pm
You can't have a mail-in voting system if more than one half of one the major parties don't accept it. There's MUST be an overwhelming, bi-partisan consensus for this to work.

It's amazing how myopic we've become. The coming shit-show might be the stiffest test this nation will face in over 150 years.

And the Democrats are giving Trump, should he lose, a built-in reason to reject the election results.

This is the wrong time in out history to try something so dramatically different than what he have done before.
Except that it’s been done for years in WA and OR with nary a complaint.

These are extraordinary times and safe/verifiable voting is achievable if we want to do it.
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kalm wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:49 pm
JoltinJoe wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:34 pm
You can't have a mail-in voting system if more than one half of one the major parties don't accept it. There's MUST be an overwhelming, bi-partisan consensus for this to work.

It's amazing how myopic we've become. The coming shit-show might be the stiffest test this nation will face in over 150 years.

And the Democrats are giving Trump, should he lose, a built-in reason to reject the election results.

This is the wrong time in out history to try something so dramatically different than what he have done before.
Except that it’s been done for years in WA and OR with nary a complaint.

These are extraordinary times and safe/verifiable voting is achievable if we want to do it.
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∞∞∞ wrote:So when are we going to talk about the POTUS intentionally sabotaging our own mailing system to improve his chances of re-election? Who needs Russian meddling when he can interfere with the election process himself.

House should vote on impeachment.
Why not just make absentee voting universal?

Americans have been voting by absentee ballot forever.. the system is already in place

Plus, it favors the DNC because they are experts at díqualifying absentee ballots and have been doing it for years (see FL 2000).. since most absentees came from military deployed... those people that “everybody” supports

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UNI88 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:47 pm
JoltinJoe wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:34 pm
You can't have a mail-in voting system if more than one half of one the major parties don't accept it. There's MUST be an overwhelming, bi-partisan consensus for this to work.

It's amazing how myopic we've become. The coming shit-show might be the stiffest test this nation will face in over 150 years.

And the Democrats are giving Trump, should he lose, a built-in reason to reject the election results.

This is the wrong time in out history to try something so dramatically different than what he have done before.
Isn't the opposite also true with Trump gutting the USPS?

If COVID19 makes voting in-person difficult and we can't use mail-in voting, why not expand the timeframe for voting? There should be a way to overcome physical distancing restrictions and still allow people to vote. The problem is that both sides are stuck on stupid and want a solution most likely to benefit them.
Which is why this is the wrong time to allow something different.

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kalm wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:49 pm
JoltinJoe wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:34 pm
You can't have a mail-in voting system if more than one half of one the major parties don't accept it. There's MUST be an overwhelming, bi-partisan consensus for this to work.

It's amazing how myopic we've become. The coming shit-show might be the stiffest test this nation will face in over 150 years.

And the Democrats are giving Trump, should he lose, a built-in reason to reject the election results.

This is the wrong time in out history to try something so dramatically different than what he have done before.
Except that it’s been done for years in WA and OR with nary a complaint.

These are extraordinary times and safe/verifiable voting is achievable if we want to do it.
When a wide consensus reaches the point where you are, then we can successfully do this.

That time is not now.

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JoltinJoe wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:42 pm
UNI88 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:47 pm

Isn't the opposite also true with Trump gutting the USPS?

If COVID19 makes voting in-person difficult and we can't use mail-in voting, why not expand the timeframe for voting? There should be a way to overcome physical distancing restrictions and still allow people to vote. The problem is that both sides are stuck on stupid and want a solution most likely to benefit them.
Which is why this is the wrong time to allow something different.
Why during the time of COVID19 and physical distancing should in-person voting be limited to a single day? That too is asking for questionable results. Sticking to what we've always done is selfish and stupid.

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UNI88 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:55 pm
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Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:28 pm
So when are we going to talk about the POTUS intentionally sabotaging our own mailing system to improve his chances of re-election? Who needs Russian meddling when he can interfere with the election process himself.

House should vote on impeachment.
Intentionally sabotaging the USPS to improve his chances of reelection is despicable and I wouldn't put it past Trump.

On the flip side, while the USPS does perform an important service it is inefficient. How much could they save if they went to every other day delivery? Half a zip code gets mail on Monday, Wednesday and Friday and the other half gets it on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. We don't need every day mail delivery.
Why spend fiddy cents to mail a letter when Fedex could do it for $23.00?
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JoltinJoe wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:34 pm
You can't have a mail-in voting system if more than one half of one the major parties don't accept it. There's MUST be an overwhelming, bi-partisan consensus for this to work.

It's amazing how myopic we've become. The coming shit-show might be the stiffest test this nation will face in over 150 years.

And the Democrats are giving Trump, should he lose, a built-in reason to reject the election results.

This is the wrong time in out history to try something so dramatically different than what he have done before.
There's obviously not going to be a national mail-in voting system anytime soon, certainly not by November.

The Constitution leaves it to the states to administer the elections. If individual states want to do mail-in, they can do it, as some have done in the past. It's not something dramatically different than what we've done in the past.
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