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SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:51 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:48 am It's true. Republicans on here have rationalized and made excuses for a violent protest and have spent pages comparing it to BLM/Antifa.

Trump supporters vandalized and looted the US Capital b/c they believe a false narrative of a stolen election. 75M people aren't being disenfranchised - they're just upset and are choosing to believe a theory that isn't based on any facts instead of accepting reality (kind of like Democrats in 2016).

And suggesting that'd prefer the loot a Target is asinine. My position on BLM is painfully obvious. Go back to those threads, you'll not see a single post of mine supporting BLM/Antifa. Your entire post is making excuses.

People did bad things. It's perfectly alright to say they're wrong and that anyone that inspired their acts and/or urged them on shares the blame.

Any potential evidence was never adjudicated in court. The election investigations were not transparent and unfortunately we'll never truly know one way or the other.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:48 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:22 am

come on Mark. You're smarter than that.

If the Trump supporters had gone and looted a Target because they were made at Congress, then your analogy would make sense. But what would you have them do? 75,000,000 people being disenfranchised all at once and they're supposed to just sit around and turn the other cheek and say, "thank you sir, may I have another"? Or maybe you'd RATHER they loot a Target?

It's true. Republicans on here have rationalized and made excuses for a violent protest and have spent pages comparing it to BLM/Antifa.

Trump supporters vandalized and looted the US Capital b/c they believe a false narrative of a stolen election. 75M people aren't being disenfranchised - they're just upset and are choosing to believe a theory that isn't based on any facts instead of accepting reality (kind of like Democrats in 2016).

And suggesting that'd prefer the loot a Target is asinine. My position on BLM is painfully obvious. Go back to those threads, you'll not see a single post of mine supporting BLM/Antifa. Your entire post is making excuses.

People did bad things. It's perfectly alright to say they're wrong and that anyone that inspired their acts and/or urged them on shares the blame.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:21 pm

SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:51 am

Any potential evidence was never adjudicated in court. The election investigations were not transparent and unfortunately we'll never truly know one way or the other.

Yep.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:57 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:48 am It's true. Republicans on here have rationalized and made excuses for a violent protest and have spent pages comparing it to BLM/Antifa.

Trump supporters vandalized and looted the US Capital b/c they believe a false narrative of a stolen election. 75M people aren't being disenfranchised - they're just upset and are choosing to believe a theory that isn't based on any facts instead of accepting reality (kind of like Democrats in 2016).

And suggesting that'd prefer the loot a Target is asinine. My position on BLM is painfully obvious. Go back to those threads, you'll not see a single post of mine supporting BLM/Antifa. Your entire post is making excuses.

People did bad things. It's perfectly alright to say they're wrong and that anyone that inspired their acts and/or urged them on shares the blame.

And BLM has burned half the cities in this country based on the false narrative that all cops are bad and they're shooting black people on a daily basis for no reason, when in fact 99.5% of blacks are killed by other blacks, and less than 20 a year are killed by cops, despite literally hundreds of thousands of interactions between cops and blacks.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:21 pm

SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:51 am

Any potential evidence was never adjudicated in court. The election investigations were not transparent and unfortunately we'll never truly know one way or the other.

Yep.

Parler, a social network used to plan the storming of the U.S. Capitol last week, has been hit by a massive data scrape. Security researchers collected swaths of user data before the network went dark Monday morning after Amazon, Google, and Apple booted the platform.

The scrape includes user profile data, user information, and which users had administration rights for specific groups within the social network. Twitter user @donk_enby, who first announced about the scrape, claims that over a million video URLs, some deleted and private, were taken.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:25 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:57 pm

And BLM has burned half the cities in this country based on the false narrative that all cops are bad and they're shooting black people on a daily basis for no reason, when in fact 99.5% of blacks are killed by other blacks, and less than 20 a year are killed by cops, despite literally hundreds of thousands of interactions between cops and blacks.

Don't get me started on the false narrative that white cops kill blacks more. That's just a lie and there are facts that show you're more likely to be killed by a black cop if you're black.


But that's not the topic. The topic is that Trump Supporters committed a crime, an insurrection against this country and should be punished. I'm honestly shocked that we have people going for the, " Yeah but BLM did it much more way worser..." defense.

Justifying criminal behavior by invoking the criminal behavior of another group is illogical. If that's the case - I am going to rob my neighbors house and break his windows but it's ok b/c Trump Supporters did it to a building bigger than his home.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:34 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:25 pm


Don't get me started on the false narrative that white cops kill blacks more. That's just a lie and there are facts that show you're more likely to be killed by a black cop if you're black.


But that's not the topic. The topic is that Trump Supporters committed a crime, an insurrection against this country and should be punished. I'm honestly shocked that we have people going for the, " Yeah but BLM did it much more way worser..." defense.

Justifying criminal behavior by invoking the criminal behavior of another group is illogical. If that's the case - I am going to rob my neighbors house and break his windows but it's ok b/c Trump Supporters did it to a building bigger than his home.

The capitol building, Pelosi's office, and many other Washington government buildings have been stormed and occupied over the years. Hell, AOC herself held a "protest" in Pelosi's office for 10 days and she's a fucking HERO to the left. Didn't see that one called an "insurrection". There's so much double standard being applied its fucking comical. There's video of the capitol cops literally INVITING people into the chamber, so spare me the "criminal behavior" and "insurrection" sanctimonious bullshit, because yes, in fact, way WAY worse shit has happened in those buildings and in that town that wasn't called an insurrection or treason or any of the other laughable terms that are being thrown about WAY too easily these days against anyone who dares to stand up to the machine that is DC politics.

And I'm not justifying anything. The media and the left have just shown the way, bro. You want change, you gotta burn shit to the ground, apparently. Because the left, the media and ANTIFA have shown us that THAT is the acceptable method for the past 10 months.

AZGrizFan wrote:

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:25 pm


Don't get me started on the false narrative that white cops kill blacks more. That's just a lie and there are facts that show you're more likely to be killed by a black cop if you're black.


But that's not the topic. The topic is that Trump Supporters committed a crime, an insurrection against this country and should be punished. I'm honestly shocked that we have people going for the, " Yeah but BLM did it much more way worser..." defense.

Justifying criminal behavior by invoking the criminal behavior of another group is illogical. If that's the case - I am going to rob my neighbors house and break his windows but it's ok b/c Trump Supporters did it to a building bigger than his home.

The capitol building, Pelosi's office, and many other Washington government buildings have been stormed and occupied over the years. Hell, AOC herself held a "protest" in Pelosi's office for 10 days and she's a fucking HERO to the left. Didn't see that one called an "insurrection". There's so much double standard being applied its fucking comical. There's video of the capitol cops literally INVITING people into the chamber, so spare me the "criminal behavior" and "insurrection" sanctimonious bullshit, because yes, in fact, way WAY worse shit has happened in those buildings and in that town that wasn't called an insurrection or treason or any of the other laughable terms that are being thrown about WAY too easily these days against anyone who dares to stand up to the machine that is DC politics.

And I'm not justifying anything. The media and the left have just shown the way, bro. You want change, you gotta burn shit to the ground, apparently. Because the left, the media and ANTIFA have shown us that THAT is the acceptable method for the past 10 months.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:50 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
The capitol building, Pelosi's office, and many other Washington government buildings have been stormed and occupied over the years. Hell, AOC herself held a "protest" in Pelosi's office for 10 days and she's a fucking HERO to the left. Didn't see that one called an "insurrection". There's so much double standard being applied its fucking comical. There's video of the capitol cops literally INVITING people into the chamber, so spare me the "criminal behavior" and "insurrection" sanctimonious bullshit, because yes, in fact, way WAY worse shit has happened in those buildings and in that town that wasn't called an insurrection or treason or any of the other laughable terms that are being thrown about WAY too easily these days against anyone who dares to stand up to the machine that is DC politics.

And I'm not justifying anything. The media and the left have just shown the way, bro. You want change, you gotta burn shit to the ground, apparently. Because the left, the media and ANTIFA have shown us that THAT is the acceptable method for the past 10 months.

Was AOC breaking the law while she peacefully assembled? No. She wasn’t so that’s not In the same ball park.

It’s sad to see you defending these scum bags and justifying their behavior. Talk about a double standard.

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AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:39 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:50 pm
Was AOC breaking the law while she peacefully assembled? No. She wasn’t so that’s not In the same ball park.

It’s sad to see you defending these scum bags and justifying their behavior. Talk about a double standard.

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She did a 10 day sit-in in the Speaker of the Houses’ office. She was not invited in. She wouldn’t leave. It was an insurrection. Just like the bullshit the BLM pulled in June/July in DC. all nothing but terrorists (to go by the recently altered definition).

"an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government"

U.S. Capitol Police say 51 of the protestors were arrested around 11:30 a.m. for "unlawfully demonstrating in the Cannon House Office Building." All were charged for crowding, obstructing, or incommoding.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:57 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:48 am It's true. Republicans on here have rationalized and made excuses for a violent protest and have spent pages comparing it to BLM/Antifa.

Trump supporters vandalized and looted the US Capital b/c they believe a false narrative of a stolen election. 75M people aren't being disenfranchised - they're just upset and are choosing to believe a theory that isn't based on any facts instead of accepting reality (kind of like Democrats in 2016).

And suggesting that'd prefer the loot a Target is asinine. My position on BLM is painfully obvious. Go back to those threads, you'll not see a single post of mine supporting BLM/Antifa. Your entire post is making excuses.

People did bad things. It's perfectly alright to say they're wrong and that anyone that inspired their acts and/or urged them on shares the blame.

And BLM has burned half the cities in this country based on the false narrative that all cops are bad and they're shooting black people on a daily basis for no reason, when in fact 99.5% of blacks are killed by other blacks, and less than 20 a year are killed by cops, despite literally hundreds of thousands of interactions between cops and blacks.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:57 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:48 am It's true. Republicans on here have rationalized and made excuses for a violent protest and have spent pages comparing it to BLM/Antifa.

Trump supporters vandalized and looted the US Capital b/c they believe a false narrative of a stolen election. 75M people aren't being disenfranchised - they're just upset and are choosing to believe a theory that isn't based on any facts instead of accepting reality (kind of like Democrats in 2016).

And suggesting that'd prefer the loot a Target is asinine. My position on BLM is painfully obvious. Go back to those threads, you'll not see a single post of mine supporting BLM/Antifa. Your entire post is making excuses.

People did bad things. It's perfectly alright to say they're wrong and that anyone that inspired their acts and/or urged them on shares the blame.

And BLM has burned half the cities in this country based on the false narrative that all cops are bad and they're shooting black people on a daily basis for no reason, when in fact 99.5% of blacks are killed by other blacks, and less than 20 a year are killed by cops, despite literally hundreds of thousands of interactions between cops and blacks.

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:24 am I see a lot of stuff like this

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:22 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:45 am

The better irony/hypocrisy is that Republicans and Democrats have completely flipped the script on each other. Last summer the Dems were saying the protestors were ok and the violence was acceptable, blah blah blah. While the Republicans were saying violence is criminal and you don't loot a Target to make your point. You don't burn buildings to make your point. You obey the law and you'll be ok.

Now it's the opposite. Democrats are denouncing the GOP for their supporters and the GOP is saying, " Yeah , but BLM did it...."


What's worst is that there are people that actually believe that shit.

come on Mark. You're smarter than that.

If the Trump supporters had gone and looted a Target because they were made at Congress, then your analogy would make sense. But what would you have them do? 75,000,000 people being disenfranchised all at once and they're supposed to just sit around and turn the other cheek and say, "thank you sir, may I have another"? Or maybe you'd RATHER they loot a Target?

houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:07 am

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:24 am I see a lot of stuff like this

The natural result of federal government involvement in education (No Child Left Behind and Every Student Succeeds).

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:14 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:07 am

The natural result of federal government involvement in education (No Child Left Behind and Every Student Succeeds).

FYP

And you sound a lot like BDK touting false flag claims about the DC riots when you argue "Minneapolis PD says they arrested several right-wing provocateurs in the aftermath of the Floyd execution, including the so-called Umbrella Man."

Mirror images of each other ...

houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:20 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:14 am
FYP

And you sound a lot like BDK touting false flag claims about the DC riots when you argue "Minneapolis PD says they arrested several right-wing provocateurs in the aftermath of the Floyd execution, including the so-called Umbrella Man."

Mirror images of each other ...

Except that MPD did arrest right-wing provocateurs, its a matter of public record.

You're welcome.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:26 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:20 am

Except that MPD did arrest right-wing provocateurs, its a matter of public record.

You're welcome.

The existence of right-wing provocateurs doesn't excuse the BLM/AnTiFa rioting and looting any more than the BLM/AnTiFa riots excuse the MAGAt riots.

You really should get your vagina checked. That amount of queefing is unnatural.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:21 pm

SDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:51 am

Any potential evidence was never adjudicated in court. The election investigations were not transparent and unfortunately we'll never truly know one way or the other.

Yep.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:26 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:21 pm
Yep.

60+ lawsuits and a great number of Judges, Trump Judges at that, say you're wrong. I'm going to side with the legal experts instead of BDK from JMU.

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:55 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:26 pm

60+ lawsuits and a great number of Judges, Trump Judges at that, say you're wrong. I'm going to side with the legal experts instead of BDK from JMU.

And none that saw its day in court.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:34 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:25 pm


Don't get me started on the false narrative that white cops kill blacks more. That's just a lie and there are facts that show you're more likely to be killed by a black cop if you're black.


But that's not the topic. The topic is that Trump Supporters committed a crime, an insurrection against this country and should be punished. I'm honestly shocked that we have people going for the, " Yeah but BLM did it much more way worser..." defense.

Justifying criminal behavior by invoking the criminal behavior of another group is illogical. If that's the case - I am going to rob my neighbors house and break his windows but it's ok b/c Trump Supporters did it to a building bigger than his home.

The capitol building, Pelosi's office, and many other Washington government buildings have been stormed and occupied over the years. Hell, AOC herself held a "protest" in Pelosi's office for 10 days and she's a fucking HERO to the left. Didn't see that one called an "insurrection". There's so much double standard being applied its fucking comical. There's video of the capitol cops literally INVITING people into the chamber, so spare me the "criminal behavior" and "insurrection" sanctimonious bullshit, because yes, in fact, way WAY worse shit has happened in those buildings and in that town that wasn't called an insurrection or treason or any of the other laughable terms that are being thrown about WAY too easily these days against anyone who dares to stand up to the machine that is DC politics.

And I'm not justifying anything. The media and the left have just shown the way, bro. You want change, you gotta burn shit to the ground, apparently. Because the left, the media and ANTIFA have shown us that THAT is the acceptable method for the past 10 months.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:58 am

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:55 am

And none that saw its day in court.

What are you talking about? Plenty went to court.