Sedition requires advanced planning to overthrow government - getting stirred up and lashing out falls far short of that. There are plenty of offenses well short of sedition that can be used (trespassing, vandalism, failure to comply with police, assault, etc) that fit the bill very nicely and would provide a fair amount of punishment for those guilty, and a whole boatload of these folks are certainly guilty of considerable offenses. But of course, if you want to continue the spiral of degradation of political discourse in this country and stamp out any and all opposition to whatever your political stance is, by all means try to work sedition into the conversation, that will be very helpful. Have you and dback considered a joint campaign, you're fitting the current political climate very nicely with your absolutism. We clearly need more of that at this moment.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Well, one thing is for sure - those arrested won't be charged by a county DA, but by a US Attorney. I'm not sure what storming the capitol and preventing the Senate from performing their Consitutionally obligated duty should be charged with. But, sedition isn't too far off. Certainly closer than the Zoom call y'all were calling sedition not long ago.
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06 ... -evacuatedAn explosive device was found at the headquarters of the Republican National Committee in Washington and the nearby headquarters of the Democratic National Committee was evacuated after the discovery of a suspicious package on Wednesday, according to three people briefed on the discoveries.
The device that was found at the R.N.C. was a pipe bomb that was successfully destroyed by a bomb squad, according to an official for the R.N.C.
The package at the D.N.C. has yet to be identified, according to a top Democrat briefed on the matter who was not authorized to speak publicly about it.
The R.N.C. and D.N.C. are headquartered just a few blocks away from the U.S. Capitol, which Mr. Trump’s supporters stormed on Wednesday afternoon soon as Congress had gathered to certify President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory and shortly after the president addressed the crowd near the White House.
As a mob breached the Capitol, Vice President Mike Pence was rushed from the Senate chamber and the building was placed on lockdown. Shortly after, Mr. Trump tweeted that Mr. Pence “didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done” because he did not try to reject the electors.
The National Guard for Washington and Virginia was activated Wednesday afternoon to respond to the unrest.
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This is quite new and has never happened before.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:36 pmCan't rebut so you deflect. Way to take a page from the BDK approach.
Let's ignore what happened in Portland, Seattle, etc. in 2020 and pretend that this is new and that the left has never done or rationalized anything like it.
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There might just be some evidence of advanced planning to overthrow out there somewhere.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pmSedition requires advanced planning to overthrow government - getting stirred up and lashing out falls far short of that. There are plenty of offenses well short of sedition that can be used (trespassing, vandalism, failure to comply with police, assault, etc) that fit the bill very nicely and would provide a fair amount of punishment for those guilty, and a whole boatload of these folks are certainly guilty of considerable offenses. But of course, if you want to continue the spiral of degradation of political discourse in this country and stamp out any and all opposition to whatever your political stance is, by all means try to work sedition into the conversation, that will be very helpful. Have you and dback considered a joint campaign, you're fitting the current political climate very nicely with your absolutism. We clearly need more of that at this moment.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Well, one thing is for sure - those arrested won't be charged by a county DA, but by a US Attorney. I'm not sure what storming the capitol and preventing the Senate from performing their Consitutionally obligated duty should be charged with. But, sedition isn't too far off. Certainly closer than the Zoom call y'all were calling sedition not long ago.
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Violent protests, rioting & looting are quite new?kalm wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:56 pmThis is quite new and has never happened before.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:36 pm
Can't rebut so you deflect. Way to take a page from the BDK approach.
Let's ignore what happened in Portland, Seattle, etc. in 2020 and pretend that this is new and that the left has never done or rationalized anything like it.
And I won't hold my breath waiting for someone to prove me wrong.
(I didn’t want you to hold your breath).
Still waiting ...
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Yeah...that’s all it is.
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It has to be more than talk. There's a reason why we don't use it very often, or as liberally as the dbacks of the world would like to against their political opponents. Like I said, there's plenty to work with to really punish the most complicit in this disaster without throwing more political fuel onto the bonfire. But that assumes that people want the bonfire to be put out.kalm wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:00 pmThere might just be some evidence of advanced planning to overthrow out there somewhere.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pm
Sedition requires advanced planning to overthrow government - getting stirred up and lashing out falls far short of that. There are plenty of offenses well short of sedition that can be used (trespassing, vandalism, failure to comply with police, assault, etc) that fit the bill very nicely and would provide a fair amount of punishment for those guilty, and a whole boatload of these folks are certainly guilty of considerable offenses. But of course, if you want to continue the spiral of degradation of political discourse in this country and stamp out any and all opposition to whatever your political stance is, by all means try to work sedition into the conversation, that will be very helpful. Have you and dback considered a joint campaign, you're fitting the current political climate very nicely with your absolutism. We clearly need more of that at this moment.
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They're angry about what they perceive to be an injustice perpetuated against them and they've been riled up and lashed out as a result.
There are valid comparisons to the protests in Portland, Seattle, etc. no matter how much you might want to pretend otherwise.
The extremes of both sides are mirror images of each other. You can either admit it and start working toward a future that addresses everyone's grievances and concerns or continue to ignore it and pretend that your side is righteous and the other side are evil Fascists/Marxists.
Still waiting ...
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I’m sure Progressives like AOC approve of today’s action...
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I would say people who are vocal about overturning the election, storming the Capitol and trying to stall the election results isn’t far off from sedition.GannonFan wrote:Sedition requires advanced planning to overthrow government - getting stirred up and lashing out falls far short of that. There are plenty of offenses well short of sedition that can be used (trespassing, vandalism, failure to comply with police, assault, etc) that fit the bill very nicely and would provide a fair amount of punishment for those guilty, and a whole boatload of these folks are certainly guilty of considerable offenses. But of course, if you want to continue the spiral of degradation of political discourse in this country and stamp out any and all opposition to whatever your political stance is, by all means try to work sedition into the conversation, that will be very helpful. Have you and dback considered a joint campaign, you're fitting the current political climate very nicely with your absolutism. We clearly need more of that at this moment.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Well, one thing is for sure - those arrested won't be charged by a county DA, but by a US Attorney. I'm not sure what storming the capitol and preventing the Senate from performing their Consitutionally obligated duty should be charged with. But, sedition isn't too far off. Certainly closer than the Zoom call y'all were calling sedition not long ago.
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You literally have a leader who just a few minutes ago claimed election fraud while his supporters occupy the seat of power for the entire country via force. And this has been telegraphed for weeks.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:11 pmThey're angry about what they perceive to be an injustice perpetuated against them and they've been riled up and lashed out as a result.
There are valid comparisons to the protests in Portland, Seattle, etc. no matter how much you might want to pretend otherwise.
The extremes of both sides are mirror images of each other. You can either admit it and start working toward a future that addresses everyone's grievances and concerns or continue to ignore it and pretend that your side is righteous and the other side are evil Fascists/Marxists.
Still waiting ...
Remember when that happened in Portland?
Don’t be mad at Trump and his supporters for simply doing what they said they were going to do. (Right Ganny?)
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There has been plenty of advanced planningGannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pmSedition requires advanced planning to overthrow government - getting stirred up and lashing out falls far short of that. There are plenty of offenses well short of sedition that can be used (trespassing, vandalism, failure to comply with police, assault, etc) that fit the bill very nicely and would provide a fair amount of punishment for those guilty, and a whole boatload of these folks are certainly guilty of considerable offenses. But of course, if you want to continue the spiral of degradation of political discourse in this country and stamp out any and all opposition to whatever your political stance is, by all means try to work sedition into the conversation, that will be very helpful. Have you and dback considered a joint campaign, you're fitting the current political climate very nicely with your absolutism. We clearly need more of that at this moment.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm
Well, one thing is for sure - those arrested won't be charged by a county DA, but by a US Attorney. I'm not sure what storming the capitol and preventing the Senate from performing their Consitutionally obligated duty should be charged with. But, sedition isn't too far off. Certainly closer than the Zoom call y'all were calling sedition not long ago.
what would REALLY be helpful if you would finally understand the seriousness of how Anti-American and anti-Democracy Trump and his cult are
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Boy!! This didn’t age well
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It's what we already have. It's what we've had for the past 4 years. Tell me how well that has worked out. Doubling down on extremism and absolutism only guarantees more extremism and absolutism. You're clearly not what we need right now.
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More people showed up for Trumps going away party than his inauguration.
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Sedition, Ganny
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THe video of those "patriots" storming the Capitol and flying the Confederate flag is just too good. Fucking morons.
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