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Re: 2020 General Election

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Still no one called Alaska yet. 50% to 63% (depemding on who you look at) reported with Trump up by almost 30...Ballots being delivered by dogsled..

Still no one called GA, NC.
Still 4 of 5 networks not called AZ, only Fox.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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UNI88 wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:11 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:18 am
The SC race had 180 million.
The AZ race had 145 million.
https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-o ... y=allcands
These 2 races for will for control of EVERYTHING, the difference between the democrats having a shot at court packing, implementing portions of the Green New Deal, eliminating the Trump tax cuts, gun bans, etc, etc, etc. The 2 GA races I think will be the 2 most exspensive Senate races in US history, by far. While my previous reply of 1 billion was too high, I'd 500 million.
What tax cuts?

Republicans, Not Biden, Are About to Raise Your Taxes
President Trump and his congressional allies hoodwinked us. The law they passed initially lowered taxes for most Americans, but it built-in automatic, stepped tax increases every two years that begin in 2021 and that by 2027 would affect nearly everyone but people at the top of the economic hierarchy. All taxpayer income groups with incomes of $75,000 and under — that’s about 65 percent of taxpayers — will face a higher tax rate in 2027 than in 2019.
NYT article behind a paywall.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:20 am Still no one called GA, NC.
Still 4 of 5 networks not called AZ, only Fox.
GA isn't going to be called. They only call it if it is clear it's not going to a recount. It's definitely going to a recount.

Trump trending like he will probably overtake Biden in AZ. STOP COUNTING!! WHERE ARE THE GOP FINDING THESE BALLOTS? ;)
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:31 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:20 am Still no one called GA, NC.
Still 4 of 5 networks not called AZ, only Fox.
GA isn't going to be called. They only call it if it is clear it's not going to a recount. It's definitely going to a recount.

Trump trending like he will probably overtake Biden in AZ. STOP COUNTING!! WHERE ARE THE GOP FINDING THESE BALLOTS? ;)
NC difference (1.4%, 98% in) more than WI (.6%) and PA (.8%). Why hasn’t NC been called then?
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Re: 2020 General Election

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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:00 am
Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:31 am

GA isn't going to be called. They only call it if it is clear it's not going to a recount. It's definitely going to a recount.

Trump trending like he will probably overtake Biden in AZ. STOP COUNTING!! WHERE ARE THE GOP FINDING THESE BALLOTS? ;)
NC difference (1.4%, 98% in) more than double WI (.6%). Why hasn’t NC been called then?
They accept mail in ballots postmarked by election day until Nov 12. It will be a trivial number. But, be patient. Trump will win North Carolina.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:25 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:11 am

What tax cuts?

Republicans, Not Biden, Are About to Raise Your Taxes

NYT article behind a paywall.
This was well covered when the tax cuts were being debated. Recycled Two Santa Claus Theory in full effect.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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kalm wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:37 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:25 am
NYT article behind a paywall.
This was well covered when the tax cuts were being debated. Recycled Two Santa Claus Theory in full effect.
The link goes to a summary of the article which covers the main points. BDanKlebiter can't refute it so he deflects. Jelly does the same thing.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Skjellyfetti wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:06 am I think the next big break in the hunt for evidence of fraud will be Rudy miraculously finding generate_fake_ballots.py on Hunter's laptop


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I wonder why Trump wants a recount in Wisconsin???

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Re: 2020 General Election

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UNI88 wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:56 am
kalm wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:37 am

This was well covered when the tax cuts were being debated. Recycled Two Santa Claus Theory in full effect.
The link goes to a summary of the article which covers the main points. BDanKlebiter can't refute it so he deflects. Jelly does the same thing.
-Wrong that I can’t refute.
-The above article is wrong saying that people at the top wouldn’t be affected by the expiration in 2027, according to the below article.

8 years of paying less taxes, followed by 2 years of phaseout to right back where we were at in 2017. The net effect of that is EVEN IF the tax cuts are allowed to expire on the middle class, they will pay less taxes 2018-2027 than if there had been no tax cuts at all, and will pay the same 2028 and onward compared to if there had been no tax cuts at all.
On a conventional basis, the TCJA would result in an increase in after-tax income for taxpayers in all income groups from 2018 to 2025.
In 2026 and 2027, the expiration of the individual income tax cuts will result in a reduction of after-tax income for taxpayers in all income groups relative to prior law on a conventional basis.
https://taxfoundation.org/the-distribut ... xt-decade/
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Col Hogan wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:25 pm I wonder why Trump wants a recount in Wisconsin???

Do you have a link to the data in the Tweet?

This seems to contradict it. :suspicious:
All of Milwaukee's wards reported more registered voters than votes cast

All of the City of Milwaukee's wards reported more registered voters than votes cast in the 2020 presidential election, according to the latest data from the Milwaukee County Clerk.

That is contrary to false reports circulating on the internet, including an article from Milwaukee City Wire, that allege that seven wards reported more votes than registered voters.
https://www.tmj4.com/news/election-2020 ... votes-cast
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Re: 2020 General Election

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houndawg wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:46 pm
SDHornet wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:53 pm

Nothing will come of it in the near future. Maybe in 30 years or something.

I'm not sure what the Trump legal team's angle is, but having Rudy make a speech with a broad accusations of fraud is the wrong tact imo (unless they have a mountain of evidence which is doubtful at this time). Trump and his team should be hammering the statistical analysis angle and the astronomical odds at which some of the early analysis is revealing. Follow that up with hammering the "software glitch" in the counting machines that are used in about 30 states and demand hand counted audits in whatever areas make the most sense (MI, WI, PA, GA, AZ and maybe NC & NV).
...probably a bad flux capacitor in the vote generator. :coffee:
If the lady who brought it up is full of it, I will forgo any sort of media the rest of my life. She's the attorney that has taken Mike Flynn from going to jail to getting the government to drop the case once the judge agrees. It would mean you simply cannot find any true news out there.
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:41 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:06 am I think the next big break in the hunt for evidence of fraud will be Rudy miraculously finding generate_fake_ballots.py on Hunter's laptop


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She's on Trump's side. You misinterpreted her joke.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:53 pm She's on Trump's side. You misinterpreted her joke.
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I didn't look to see and somebody might already have posted something along these lines. But I'll post it.

What's going on with people acting like something nefarious went on because Biden made up ground in States where mail in votes were counted after election day is very bad. It was to be expected. If you were paying attention to what was going on with Pennsylvania as of election day, for example, you knew that Trump likely did not have a large enough lead at the end of live voting to withstand the advantage Biden had in mail in votes.

The article at https://www.politico.com/.../democrats-more-mail-in... was posted on election day, November 3. The author reports that, as of then, about 1.6 million Pennsylvania mail ballots had been received from Democrats, 586,000 had been received from Republicans, and 278,000 had been received from Independents. That means there were more than a million more Democrat votes than Republican votes among votes yet to be counted.

Also, this year, Independents broke for Biden. Trump's lead after election day was about 600,000 votes. Any smart betting person would've bet Biden was going to overcome his lead as mail in ballots were counted and win the State.

And the same is true of other States where mail in ballots were counted after election day. Nationally, polls prior to the election indicated that about 50% of Democrats planned to vote by mail while about 25% of Republicans did. So you would expect Democrats to have about a 2:1 edge when those votes were counted.

It wasn't cheating. It was just math and the way in which supporters of two candidates opted to vote.
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:51 pm
Col Hogan wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:25 pm I wonder why Trump wants a recount in Wisconsin???

Do you have a link to the data in the Tweet?

This seems to contradict it. :suspicious:
All of Milwaukee's wards reported more registered voters than votes cast

All of the City of Milwaukee's wards reported more registered voters than votes cast in the 2020 presidential election, according to the latest data from the Milwaukee County Clerk.

That is contrary to false reports circulating on the internet, including an article from Milwaukee City Wire, that allege that seven wards reported more votes than registered voters.
https://www.tmj4.com/news/election-2020 ... votes-cast
I'm sure what you're getting at is correct. Memes like that go around all the time then when you finally have a chance to get the true story you find out that they are nonsense. Republicans have been chasing the "voter fraud" white whale for as long as I can remember and they've never been able to really show that it's been a meaningful factor. Not that it doesn't occur at all. But it really is time for Republicans to drop that crap.

Actually, to my recollection, in recent years voter fraud that has been documented appears to have been practiced more by Republicans anyway.
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Official Milwaukee vote Link

273 City of Milwaukee Ward 273 - 671 612 Registered voters followed by people that voted, less than 100%.
274 City of Milwaukee Ward 274 - 702 611
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89Hen wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:04 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:53 pm She's on Trump's side. You misinterpreted her joke.
Kaitlin Bennett makes BDK seem moderate.
So she wasn't joking, she really thinks that the evidence of fraud must be on Hunter's laptop?
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:37 pm Official Milwaukee vote Link

273 City of Milwaukee Ward 273 - 671 612 Registered voters followed by people that voted, less than 100%.
274 City of Milwaukee Ward 274 - 702 611
That’s 91% and 87%. What are the historical ranges?
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Honest question - what is it like to support someone that throws a temper tantrum when they lose? If this were any other person, we'd all tell him or her to get over it. Move on.

Is it that you're upset he lost? That's understandable.
Is it b/c you can't BELIEVE he lost so you have to find a nefarious reason?


I'm sincerely trying to understand. The petulant behavior is only going to further ruin his image and legacy. And it will ruin it. He'll go down as the President that couldn't accept defeat, hurt America by having the first non-peaceful transition (GSA won't even let transition begin) and who knows what else. :twocents:
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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:09 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:37 pm Official Milwaukee vote Link

273 City of Milwaukee Ward 273 - 671 612 Registered voters followed by people that voted, less than 100%.
274 City of Milwaukee Ward 274 - 702 611
That’s 91% and 87%. What are the historical ranges?
In 2016 577 voted in 273, and 556 in 274. I don't have any info on the number of registered voters from 2016 for each ward.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:55 am Honest question - what is it like to support someone that throws a temper tantrum when they lose? If this were any other person, we'd all tell him or her to get over it. Move on.

Is it that you're upset he lost? That's understandable.
Is it b/c you can't BELIEVE he lost so you have to find a nefarious reason?


I'm sincerely trying to understand. The petulant behavior is only going to further ruin his image and legacy. And it will ruin it. He'll go down as the President that couldn't accept defeat, hurt America by having the first non-peaceful transition (GSA won't even let transition begin) and who knows what else. :twocents:
His style of protest aside, do you think that there was absolutely no fraud in this election? I think it is important to identify all the ways that allowed fraud to happen so that changes could be made to ensure less fraud in the future.
And sure, there was likely fraud on both sides. But I would bet my last dollar that Biden benefitted more. Did it affect the outcome? We will never truly know.
So is fighting for the improvement of procedures going to hurt America? Or is this all about Trump?
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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:09 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:09 pm
That’s 91% and 87%. What are the historical ranges?
In 2016 577 voted in 273, and 556 in 274. I don't have any info on the number of registered voters from 2016 for each ward.
Does Wisconsin have same day registration?
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Re: 2020 General Election

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:52 pm
houndawg wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:46 pm

...probably a bad flux capacitor in the vote generator. :coffee:
If the lady who brought it up is full of it, I will forgo any sort of media the rest of my life. She's the attorney that has taken Mike Flynn from going to jail to getting the government to drop the case once the judge agrees. It would mean you simply cannot find any true news out there.
There were voting machine anomalies in '16 too but nobody paid much attention to them. And who wants a President that most voters didn't vote for? Again. :coffee:
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CAA Flagship wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:18 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:55 am Honest question - what is it like to support someone that throws a temper tantrum when they lose? If this were any other person, we'd all tell him or her to get over it. Move on.

Is it that you're upset he lost? That's understandable.
Is it b/c you can't BELIEVE he lost so you have to find a nefarious reason?


I'm sincerely trying to understand. The petulant behavior is only going to further ruin his image and legacy. And it will ruin it. He'll go down as the President that couldn't accept defeat, hurt America by having the first non-peaceful transition (GSA won't even let transition begin) and who knows what else. :twocents:
His style of protest aside, do you think that there was absolutely no fraud in this election? I think it is important to identify all the ways that allowed fraud to happen so that changes could be made to ensure less fraud in the future.
And sure, there was likely fraud on both sides. But I would bet my last dollar that Biden benefitted more. Did it affect the outcome? We will never truly know.
So is fighting for the improvement of procedures going to hurt America? Or is this all about Trump?
in '16 the fraud favored the Rs, in '20, the Ds - so what?
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