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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:08 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:53 pm
No one is talking about ‘banning’ books except Democrats. This isn’t 1993 Germany. Not available in school (like porn) doesn’t = banned. Anyone over 18 is free to buy any of these books. Parents are free to buy their kids any of these books.
For how long will parents in Florida be free to buy their kids any of these books? They've passed the slippery slope warning point and are sliding down and picking up speed.

The Bible is filled with references to sex and violence that should make it illegal to include in Florida school libraries.
Forever. Florida has banned porn in schools (as have all 50 states) Has Florida banned porn?

Slippery slope my arse. It would be impossble for any state to ban books unless all 50 did it. There’s this company called Amazon. Maybe you’ve heard of it?
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BDKJMU wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:08 pm For how long will parents in Florida be free to buy their kids any of these books? They've passed the slippery slope warning point and are sliding down and picking up speed.

The Bible is filled with references to sex and violence that should make it illegal to include in Florida school libraries.
Forever. Florida has banned porn in schools (as have all 50 states) Has Florida banned porn?

Slippery slope my arse. It would be impossble for any state to ban books unless all 50 did it. There’s this company called Amazon. Maybe you’ve heard of it?
Somewhere along that slippery slope they encourage neighbors to tell on neighbors and then they send in the prudish puritan jackbooted squad to roust and arrest parents for having illegal books around their children. By god, they’ll protect the innocent children from these insidious influences and the trauma of losing their parents won’t be too bad.

Has the Bible been banned from school libraries yet? Or are the hypocrites intentionally overlooking that one?


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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:54 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Forever. Florida has banned porn in schools (as have all 50 states) Has Florida banned porn?

Slippery slope my arse. It would be impossble for any state to ban books unless all 50 did it. There’s this company called Amazon. Maybe you’ve heard of it?
Somewhere along that slippery slope they encourage neighbors to tell on neighbors and then they send in the prudish puritan jackbooted squad to roust and arrest parents for having illegal books around their children. By god, they’ll protect the innocent children from these insidious influences and the trauma of losing their parents won’t be too bad.

Has the Bible been banned from school libraries yet? Or are the hypocrites intentionally overlooking that one?


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I’ll chip in on a copy of Fahrenheit 451 to help BDK understand what you’re talking about…oh wait…that book is way too subversive…it’s probably already banned.
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On an interesting sidenote, will some of this just go away as libraries go away? I know our local high school is emptying it's library of all the books it used to own. Has nothing to do with banning books, just a nod at the reality that books in a school library are archaic things anymore and don't see a wide circulation, if any circulation. Kids read the books they are assigned in their courses and the few kids that do read on their own (that's a whole other debate to be had, re the reading habits of Americans in general) get their books electronically or from Amazon or a local bookstore or, probably the last outlet, the local library.

The local high school is turning what used to be the library into a space kinda like a student union at a college - meeting spaces, a place to hang out, and I think they are putting in some mental health related initiatives as well. But no one really uses a school library anymore, especially not in the concept of a place that has lots of books that students use.
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:42 am On an interesting sidenote, will some of this just go away as libraries go away? I know our local high school is emptying it's library of all the books it used to own. Has nothing to do with banning books, just a nod at the reality that books in a school library are archaic things anymore and don't see a wide circulation, if any circulation. Kids read the books they are assigned in their courses and the few kids that do read on their own (that's a whole other debate to be had, re the reading habits of Americans in general) get their books electronically or from Amazon or a local bookstore or, probably the last outlet, the local library.

The local high school is turning what used to be the library into a space kinda like a student union at a college - meeting spaces, a place to hang out, and I think they are putting in some mental health related initiatives as well. But no one really uses a school library anymore, especially not in the concept of a place that has lots of books that students use.
This makes me sad. There’s something magical about reading from a physical book, dog-earring pages, underlining sentences, seeing it rest on a bookshelf.

We are better with public libraries and real books.
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kalm wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:48 am
GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:42 am On an interesting sidenote, will some of this just go away as libraries go away? I know our local high school is emptying it's library of all the books it used to own. Has nothing to do with banning books, just a nod at the reality that books in a school library are archaic things anymore and don't see a wide circulation, if any circulation. Kids read the books they are assigned in their courses and the few kids that do read on their own (that's a whole other debate to be had, re the reading habits of Americans in general) get their books electronically or from Amazon or a local bookstore or, probably the last outlet, the local library.

The local high school is turning what used to be the library into a space kinda like a student union at a college - meeting spaces, a place to hang out, and I think they are putting in some mental health related initiatives as well. But no one really uses a school library anymore, especially not in the concept of a place that has lots of books that students use.
This makes me sad. There’s something magical about reading from a physical book, dog-earring pages, underlining sentences, seeing it rest on a bookshelf.

We are better with public libraries and real books.
Ganny brings up a great question and the answer is yes. Some of it will go away. Libraries will still have access to digital content and zealots will likely try to force their right-wing religious wokehodism on others by censoring digital content.

I too love real books (I could spend a day in Powell's Bookstore) but don't read them anymore because I love my Kindle just as much. I can check out ebooks from a variety of libraries from my phone and have them sent to my Kindle. I can read in bed without a light on and just drop the Kindle when I fall asleep. Public libraries still have a place and they are adapting to the digital world. My library in Illinois recently built a new and larger building as part of that process.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:06 am
kalm wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:48 am

This makes me sad. There’s something magical about reading from a physical book, dog-earring pages, underlining sentences, seeing it rest on a bookshelf.

We are better with public libraries and real books.
Ganny brings up a great question and the answer is yes. Some of it will go away. Libraries will still have access to digital content and zealots will likely try to force their right-wing religious wokehodism on others by censoring digital content.

I too love real books (I could spend a day in Powell's Bookstore) but don't read them anymore because I love my Kindle just as much. I can check out ebooks from a variety of libraries from my phone and have them sent to my Kindle. I can read in bed without a light on and just drop the Kindle when I fall asleep. Public libraries still have a place and they are adapting to the digital world. My library in Illinois recently built a new and larger building as part of that process.
I'm starting to become a relic and I'm not even that old yet. I only just recently stopped physical delivery of a newspaper (was getting the WSJ delivered, in paper form, to the house). Moved entirely to digital. I do miss it a little bit, but it's not like the obsolescence of physical newspapers is shocking to me, it's been happening for the past 30 years.

Same thing with books, but it will take longer. I still buy books, and when I'm cheap I just borrow them from the local library. But, just like with newspapers, I'd be remiss to not notice the smaller number of folks that I come across when I'm in a library anymore. Let's just say, I rarely have to say excuse me to anyone when moving through the racks. Bookstores are better, you do see a lot of people there. And yes, there is still a nice aspect of seeing and holding a book, seeing illustrations or other visual add-ons. I have a Kindle but I don't use it as my primary means of reading. Heck, I even read one of George Martin's Game of Thrones books entirely on my iPhone. My kids all read, especially my youngest (my oldest is a humanities major in college so he's reading a ton), and they prefer physical books right now, but I'm sure they could go all electronic if need be and wouldn't miss it. Give it another 30 years, and I think you could see physical books go the way of newspapers.

But on kalm's one statement, that being that we're better with public libraries, I'm not really sure anymore what public libraries really give to us and why we're better off with them. I don't see many people using them, and the vast majority of what they provide I can get elsewhere. I do like the convenience and thriftiness of reading a book I don't have to buy at the bookstore, and my public library lets me get DVD's or Blue Rays for free so when there's a movie I want to watch but not available for free on a streaming service I can do that. But what else are public libraries doing that really necessitate their existence?
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:15 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:06 am

Ganny brings up a great question and the answer is yes. Some of it will go away. Libraries will still have access to digital content and zealots will likely try to force their right-wing religious wokehodism on others by censoring digital content.

I too love real books (I could spend a day in Powell's Bookstore) but don't read them anymore because I love my Kindle just as much. I can check out ebooks from a variety of libraries from my phone and have them sent to my Kindle. I can read in bed without a light on and just drop the Kindle when I fall asleep. Public libraries still have a place and they are adapting to the digital world. My library in Illinois recently built a new and larger building as part of that process.
I'm starting to become a relic and I'm not even that old yet. I only just recently stopped physical delivery of a newspaper (was getting the WSJ delivered, in paper form, to the house). Moved entirely to digital. I do miss it a little bit, but it's not like the obsolescence of physical newspapers is shocking to me, it's been happening for the past 30 years.

Same thing with books, but it will take longer. I still buy books, and when I'm cheap I just borrow them from the local library. But, just like with newspapers, I'd be remiss to not notice the smaller number of folks that I come across when I'm in a library anymore. Let's just say, I rarely have to say excuse me to anyone when moving through the racks. Bookstores are better, you do see a lot of people there. And yes, there is still a nice aspect of seeing and holding a book, seeing illustrations or other visual add-ons. I have a Kindle but I don't use it as my primary means of reading. Heck, I even read one of George Martin's Game of Thrones books entirely on my iPhone. My kids all read, especially my youngest (my oldest is a humanities major in college so he's reading a ton), and they prefer physical books right now, but I'm sure they could go all electronic if need be and wouldn't miss it. Give it another 30 years, and I think you could see physical books go the way of newspapers.

But on kalm's one statement, that being that we're better with public libraries, I'm not really sure anymore what public libraries really give to us and why we're better off with them. I don't see many people using them, and the vast majority of what they provide I can get elsewhere. I do like the convenience and thriftiness of reading a book I don't have to buy at the bookstore, and my public library lets me get DVD's or Blue Rays for free so when there's a movie I want to watch but not available for free on a streaming service I can do that. But what else are public libraries doing that really necessitate their existence?
From the 30,000 foot view more books and more reading are better.

Up close, the homeless or people/kids in recovery who are broke can and have lifted themselves up by gaining knowledge without $’s for a kindle, or to purchase the books, etc.

I really do like what you mentioned about a public space/student union type of mixed use public space.

As you often accuse me, I’m becoming a bit of a nostalgic older soul who appreciates the idea of the commons.
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:15 amBut what else are public libraries doing that really necessitate their existence?
Besides free access to books and DVDs (which the internet doesn't provide), our local library offers the following services:

- Access to scientific and legal databases
- Research assistance
- Resume assistance
- Music instrument checkouts
- Laptop checkouts
- Hiking kit checkouts (backpacks, tents, etc.)
- Nature kit checkouts (binoculars, bug collecting containers, etc.)
- Board game checkouts
- Video game and console checkouts
- Passport and notary services
- Free printing
- Free internet
- Reciprocal borrowing with all other local library systems
- Story time for children with local authors

They're also nice, quiet places to study. And for families, a good way to meet others in the neighborhood during library events.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:55 am
GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:15 amBut what else are public libraries doing that really necessitate their existence?
Besides free access to books and DVDs (which the internet doesn't provide), our local library offers the following services:

- Access to scientific and legal databases
- Research assistance
- Resume assistance
- Music instrument checkouts
- Laptop checkouts
- Hiking kit checkouts (backpacks, tents, etc.)
- Nature kit checkouts (binoculars, bug collecting containers, etc.)
- Board game checkouts
- Video game and console checkouts
- Passport and notary services
- Free printing
- Free internet
- Reciprocal borrowing with all other local library systems
- Story time for children with local authors

They're also nice, quiet places to study. And for families, a good way to meet others in the neighborhood during library events.
:nod:

I would add:
- Meeting space
- Youth events and activities (poetry, art, dances, reading contests, etc.)
- Voter registration
- Test proctoring

My kids were enrolled in reading contests every summer. My oldest loves and collects books as a result. I pick him something up from Powell's, signed by the author if they have it, when I can.

If you love books and you're ever in or near Portland, Powell's City of Books is a must stop.

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UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:26 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:55 am

Besides free access to books and DVDs (which the internet doesn't provide), our local library offers the following services:

- Access to scientific and legal databases
- Research assistance
- Resume assistance
- Music instrument checkouts
- Laptop checkouts
- Hiking kit checkouts (backpacks, tents, etc.)
- Nature kit checkouts (binoculars, bug collecting containers, etc.)
- Board game checkouts
- Video game and console checkouts
- Passport and notary services
- Free printing
- Free internet
- Reciprocal borrowing with all other local library systems
- Story time for children with local authors

They're also nice, quiet places to study. And for families, a good way to meet others in the neighborhood during library events.
:nod:

I would add:
- Meeting space
- Youth events and activities (poetry, art, dances, reading contests, etc.)
- Voter registration
- Test proctoring

My kids were enrolled in reading contests every summer. My oldest loves and collects books as a result. I pick him something up from Powell's, signed by the author if they have it, when I can.

If you love books and you're ever in or near Portland, Powell's City of Books is a must stop.

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Powell's the company is the world's largest independent bookstore and Powell's City of Books is their flagship store:
Powell’s City of Books is the largest used and new bookstore in the world, occupying an entire city block and housing approximately one million books. Located in downtown Portland’s Pearl District, the City of Books has nine color-coded rooms and over 3,500 different sections, offering something for every interest, including an incredible selection of out-of-print and hard-to-find titles. Dozens of acclaimed writers, artists, and thinkers visit each month to read in the Basil Hallward Gallery (located upstairs in the Pearl Room), and a one-of-a-kind Rare Book Room draws bibliophiles from near and far to browse an impressive collection of autographed first editions and other collectible volumes.
Good posts in this discussion. It’s cool your collects books.

It’s been a long time since I’ve been to Powell’s but it was terrific.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:55 am
GannonFan wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:15 amBut what else are public libraries doing that really necessitate their existence?
Besides free access to books and DVDs (which the internet doesn't provide), our local library offers the following services:

- Access to scientific and legal databases
- Research assistance
- Resume assistance
- Music instrument checkouts
- Laptop checkouts
- Hiking kit checkouts (backpacks, tents, etc.)
- Nature kit checkouts (binoculars, bug collecting containers, etc.)
- Board game checkouts
- Video game and console checkouts
- Passport and notary services
- Free printing
- Free internet
- Reciprocal borrowing with all other local library systems
- Story time for children with local authors

They're also nice, quiet places to study. And for families, a good way to meet others in the neighborhood during library events.
Sounds like you have a good public library. Mine doesn't do at least half of the stuff on that list. But it's a interesting list, and one that has very little to do with actual books. And that's probably the direction they need to go - there's very little value holding on to the vast collection of actual books each of these libraries have, especially if no one is using them. The children's section is by far the busiest section of my library and my wife, being a K-8 teacher, is an avid consumer of children's books.

As for the other stiff, including all the checkouts, it sounds very much like a college campus as opposed to a library, and that dovetails with what our local high school is doing in terms of transforming the space from a place to house lots of books to one that caters to the other activities and pursuits.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:53 pm
Ibanez wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:28 pm

Oh..so we should only read what one party finds permissible? It's a slippery slope. If the kids don't want to read them, they don't have to check it them out. I find " The Hobbit" offensive to little people, can I bitch and moan to have it banned?
No one is talking about ‘banning’ books except Democrats. This isn’t 1993 Germany. Not available in school (like porn) doesn’t = banned. Anyone over 18 is free to buy any of these books. Parents are free to buy their kids any of these books.
You really aren’t paying attention. This is the like the evangelicals banningHarry Potter in the early 2000s.
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Ibanez wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 4:38 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:53 pm
No one is talking about ‘banning’ books except Democrats. This isn’t 1993 Germany. Not available in school (like porn) doesn’t = banned. Anyone over 18 is free to buy any of these books. Parents are free to buy their kids any of these books.
You really aren’t paying attention. This is the like the evangelicals banningHarry Potter in the early 2000s.
If an adult could buy it in a bookstore or online it wasn’t banned.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:27 am
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You really aren’t paying attention. This is the like the evangelicals banningHarry Potter in the early 2000s.
If an adult could buy it in a bookstore or online it wasn’t banned.
A book doesn't have to be banned everywhere to officially be banned. If a book isn't allowed in a school or all of the schools in a state then that book is banned in that school or schools in that state.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 8:05 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:27 am
If an adult could buy it in a bookstore or online it wasn’t banned.
A book doesn't have to be banned everywhere to officially be banned. If a book isn't allowed in a school or all of the schools in a state then that book is banned in that school or schools in that state.
So. Parents can still buy it for their children. If they don’t like it they have options:
-Buy the book(s) for their kids.
-Speak at school board meetings.
-Support school board candidates that they agree with (or even run themselves)
-Private school.
-Home school.
-Move to blue district and/or state.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 12:36 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 8:05 am

A book doesn't have to be banned everywhere to officially be banned. If a book isn't allowed in a school or all of the schools in a state then that book is banned in that school or schools in that state.
So. Parents can still ban it for their children. If they don’t like it they have options:
-Don't buy the book(s) for their kids.
-Speak at school board meetings to allow opt-outs.
-Support school board candidates that they agree with (or even run themselves) who would allow opt-outs.
-Private school.
-Home school.
-Move to red district and/or state.
Works the other way too. :thumb:
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GannonFan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 1:06 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 12:36 pm
So. Parents can still ban it for their children. If they don’t like it they have options:
-Don't buy the book(s) for their kids.
-Speak at school board meetings to allow opt-outs.
-Support school board candidates that they agree with (or even run themselves) who would allow opt-outs.
-Private school.
-Home school.
-Move to red district and/or state.
Works the other way too. :thumb:
But in that case, if its mandated by the school/teacher the kids read it, before the parents are able to make a change in that mamdate, the kid gets an F.

Difference between prohibition vs mandate.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 1:46 pm
GannonFan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 1:06 pm

Works the other way too. :thumb:
But in that case, if its mandated by the school/teacher the kids read it, before the parents are able to make a change in that mamdate, the kid gets an F.

Difference between prohibition vs mandate.
Please, that doesn't really happen. It's dirt simple to get opt-outs anymore, just like it was decades ago when parents didn't want their kids dissecting frogs and stuff like that. If someone really objects to something their kid needs to read, 99% of the time they get excused from it and get assigned something else. It's really that simple. People opt out of state-mandated testing all the time, this is just another thing they can get out of without too much difficulty.

If you want to ban it for your kid, more power to you. If you want to ban it for everyone's kid, well, move somewhere else where freedoms don't exist. :thumb:
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GannonFan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:23 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 1:46 pm
But in that case, if its mandated by the school/teacher the kids read it, before the parents are able to make a change in that mamdate, the kid gets an F.

Difference between prohibition vs mandate.
Please, that doesn't really happen. It's dirt simple to get opt-outs anymore, just like it was decades ago when parents didn't want their kids dissecting frogs and stuff like that. If someone really objects to something their kid needs to read, 99% of the time they get excused from it and get assigned something else. It's really that simple. People opt out of state-mandated testing all the time, this is just another thing they can get out of without too much difficulty.

If you want to ban it for your kid, more power to you. If you want to ban it for everyone's kid, well, move somewhere else where freedoms don't exist. :thumb:
Glad that you agree that states and localities have the right to allow what material they want in their schools. :thumb:
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 2:19 am
GannonFan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:23 pm

Please, that doesn't really happen. It's dirt simple to get opt-outs anymore, just like it was decades ago when parents didn't want their kids dissecting frogs and stuff like that. If someone really objects to something their kid needs to read, 99% of the time they get excused from it and get assigned something else. It's really that simple. People opt out of state-mandated testing all the time, this is just another thing they can get out of without too much difficulty.

If you want to ban it for your kid, more power to you. If you want to ban it for everyone's kid, well, move somewhere else where freedoms don't exist. :thumb:
Glad that you agree that states and localities have the right to allow what material they want in their schools. :thumb:
I certainly don't if it involves banning of books, especially for kids other than your own. And curriculum, for me, can be locally influenced, but should also be state-based as well as federal input. When I said move somewhere else where freedoms don't exist, I was implying that it would have to be out of the country as freedom to be free of other people banning what you read exists everywhere in the US.
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Clearly porn. Smite!

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GannonFan wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 6:32 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 2:19 am
Glad that you agree that states and localities have the right to allow what material they want in their schools. :thumb:
I certainly don't if it involves banning of books, especially for kids other than your own. And curriculum, for me, can be locally influenced, but should also be state-based as well as federal input. When I said move somewhere else where freedoms don't exist, I was implying that it would have to be out of the country as freedom to be free of other people banning what you read exists everywhere in the US.
So books with pornography in schools shouldn’t be banned then?
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 10:48 am
GannonFan wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 6:32 am
I certainly don't if it involves banning of books, especially for kids other than your own. And curriculum, for me, can be locally influenced, but should also be state-based as well as federal input. When I said move somewhere else where freedoms don't exist, I was implying that it would have to be out of the country as freedom to be free of other people banning what you read exists everywhere in the US.
So books with pornography in schools shouldn’t be banned then?
Are they only banning pornographic books?

Are the books in Legum's tweet pornography?

Is this book pornography?

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Or this one?

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Because whiny, baby Karens have complained about them and had them removed from libraries/instruction.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 11:10 am
BDKJMU wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 10:48 am
So books with pornography in schools shouldn’t be banned then?
Are they only banning pornographic books?

Are the books in Legum's tweet pornography?

Is this book pornography?

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Or this one?

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Because whiny, baby Karens have complained about them and had them removed from libraries/instruction.
Agreed. The cop-out by BDK to scream about pornography is just that, a cop-out. The vast majority of book banning that's popped up recently have nothing to do with that but rather with topics (gender identity, racial identity, etc) that far right whackos want to decide for everyone. Not having a Playboy in a school library is not really being argued here.
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