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CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:47 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:44 am Second question about the Wendy's burning down. Who carries shit with them that could burn down a Wendy's?

If I was there, I could produce my phone, wallet, half gallon wiper fluid and an old produce box from Costco for keeping groceries from rolling around. Hardly a recipe to burn down a Wendy's.

I can understand if you were more rural.

There was a gas station next door.
Finish your 40 and fill it up with gas for about 20 cents.

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:01 am

CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:38 pm

fbi.gov

Linky no worky

CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:20 am

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:01 am
Linky no worky

It's the FBI. Do I really have to tell you how to get there?

CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:20 am

kalm wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:01 am

Linky no worky

It's the FBI. Do I really have to tell you how to get there?

BDKJMU wrote:This officer getting railroaded. The 2 cops were having a professional encounter with the guy until the guy resisted arrest and got in a fight with the 2 cops, took one of their tasers, started to run, then turned back and pointed the taser at the officer. WTF was the officer suppose to do? If the officer goes hands on with the guy and gets tasered & incapacitaed, then the suspect could grab his gun & shoot him with it.

The dipstick mayor chimed in right off the bat that the shooting was unjustified and DA says contemplating murder charges. Talk about a rush to judgement.

CID1990 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:18 pm

BDKJMU wrote:This officer getting railroaded. The 2 cops were having a professional encounter with the guy until the guy resisted arrest and got in a fight with the 2 cops, took one of their tasers, started to run, then turned back and pointed the taser at the officer. WTF was the officer suppose to do? If the officer goes hands on with the guy and gets tasered & incapacitaed, then the suspect could grab his gun & shoot him with it.

The dipstick mayor chimed in right off the bat that the shooting was unjustified and DA says contemplating murder charges. Talk about a rush to judgement.

I think there’s an element of reasonableness that needs to be applied here.

I know of a number of cases where officers have been killed after being incapacitated with a taser

In fact, there’s an active lawsuit against APD where someone died after being tased, and the lawsuit refers to a taser as a deadly weapon. So there’s that. Lots of case law supports this as a justified shooting. So there isn’t going to be civil or criminal liability here.

However, I would not have fired in this situation. I know this because I have been in a very similar one. I think the officer exhibited less than good judgment in this situation, and there’s no Monday morning quarterbacking needed to see it.

1) the guy is trying to escape. Anyone who has been in one of these encounters knows that dude is going to run until his feet fall off. Let him run! You have his car and his info. Pick him up on a warrant later.

2) there are two officers. If one is incapacitated with the taser, and then the perp advances on him, then you are in a deadly force situation. If I were alone, then I probably would have fired, even though the guy is running away because once Im down he can double back. Not going to happen if I have a partner with me.

So I’d call this a strictly legal shooting with poor judgment. If I’m a cop, I don’t want to work with this guy because one day he’s going to do it again and he might take me down with him. So I’m not bothered with the firing. Let the dude go sell insurance or something if he isn’t married to a RN


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CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:34 am

CID1990 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:18 pm
I think there’s an element of reasonableness that needs to be applied here.

I know of a number of cases where officers have been killed after being incapacitated with a taser

In fact, there’s an active lawsuit against APD where someone died after being tased, and the lawsuit refers to a taser as a deadly weapon. So there’s that. Lots of case law supports this as a justified shooting. So there isn’t going to be civil or criminal liability here.

However, I would not have fired in this situation. I know this because I have been in a very similar one. I think the officer exhibited less than good judgment in this situation, and there’s no Monday morning quarterbacking needed to see it.

1) the guy is trying to escape. Anyone who has been in one of these encounters knows that dude is going to run until his feet fall off. Let him run! You have his car and his info. Pick him up on a warrant later.

2) there are two officers. If one is incapacitated with the taser, and then the perp advances on him, then you are in a deadly force situation. If I were alone, then I probably would have fired, even though the guy is running away because once Im down he can double back. Not going to happen if I have a partner with me.

So I’d call this a strictly legal shooting with poor judgment. If I’m a cop, I don’t want to work with this guy because one day he’s going to do it again and he might take me down with him. So I’m not bothered with the firing. Let the dude go sell insurance or something if he isn’t married to a RN


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Damn, your 2 points are exactly what I have been saying from the start.
Yes, you have his car. You can probably figure out where he lives and arrest him there. Although, that puts more officers in danger of unknown threats such as barricading or support from neighbors. And yes, the second officer makes the taser less lethal in that he probably won't get to your gun.

Bottom line, Brooks did two things wrong before the cop made a poor judgement. He was drunk driving and fell asleep, and he resisted arrest. The poor judgement doesn't ever happen without the first two things.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:17 am How does the cop know (at that point) that it's HIS TAZER that's being pointed back at him? Perhaps the dude had his own gun that he pulled given the chance and was pointing THAT back at the officers?

As a police officer, are you willing to put YOUR life on the line betting 100% that it's your tazer being pointed back at you?

Not me.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:39 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:17 am How does the cop know (at that point) that it's HIS TAZER that's being pointed back at him? Perhaps the dude had his own gun that he pulled given the chance and was pointing THAT back at the officers?

As a police officer, are you willing to put YOUR life on the line betting 100% that it's your tazer being pointed back at you?

Not me.

Didn't they pretty much frisk this guy before any of that happened? Where would the guy have been hiding a gun that they wouldn't have found it?

CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:54 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:40 am

I want to know why the Wendy's had to be burned down? WTF did the burger joint have to do with it? Do they think Wendy's ratted the guy out for falling asleep in the drive thru lane?

We are talking about the Negro. They are irrationally violent.

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:47 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:39 am

Didn't they pretty much frisk this guy before any of that happened? Where would the guy have been hiding a gun that they wouldn't have found it?

I don't know for sure. Don't they frisk after you cuff them sometimes? I see a lot of that on Live PD.

Baldy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:58 am

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:47 am
I don't know for sure. Don't they frisk after you cuff them sometimes? I see a lot of that on Live PD.

He had already failed a field sobriety test, so I'm pretty sure he would have been frisked by then.

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:34 am

CID1990 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:18 pm
I think there’s an element of reasonableness that needs to be applied here.

I know of a number of cases where officers have been killed after being incapacitated with a taser

In fact, there’s an active lawsuit against APD where someone died after being tased, and the lawsuit refers to a taser as a deadly weapon. So there’s that. Lots of case law supports this as a justified shooting. So there isn’t going to be civil or criminal liability here.

However, I would not have fired in this situation. I know this because I have been in a very similar one. I think the officer exhibited less than good judgment in this situation, and there’s no Monday morning quarterbacking needed to see it.

1) the guy is trying to escape. Anyone who has been in one of these encounters knows that dude is going to run until his feet fall off. Let him run! You have his car and his info. Pick him up on a warrant later.

2) there are two officers. If one is incapacitated with the taser, and then the perp advances on him, then you are in a deadly force situation. If I were alone, then I probably would have fired, even though the guy is running away because once Im down he can double back. Not going to happen if I have a partner with me.

So I’d call this a strictly legal shooting with poor judgment. If I’m a cop, I don’t want to work with this guy because one day he’s going to do it again and he might take me down with him. So I’m not bothered with the firing. Let the dude go sell insurance or something if he isn’t married to a RN


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Damn, your 2 points are exactly what I have been saying from the start.
Yes, you have his car. You can probably figure out where he lives and arrest him there. Although, that puts more officers in danger of unknown threats such as barricading or support from neighbors. And yes, the second officer makes the taser less lethal in that he probably won't get to your gun.

Bottom line, Brooks did two things wrong before the cop made a poor judgement. He was drunk driving and fell asleep, and he resisted arrest. The poor judgement doesn't ever happen without the first two things.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:07 am

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:34 am
Damn, your 2 points are exactly what I have been saying from the start.
Yes, you have his car. You can probably figure out where he lives and arrest him there. Although, that puts more officers in danger of unknown threats such as barricading or support from neighbors. And yes, the second officer makes the taser less lethal in that he probably won't get to your gun.

Bottom line, Brooks did two things wrong before the cop made a poor judgement. He was drunk driving and fell asleep, and he resisted arrest. The poor judgement doesn't ever happen without the first two things.

And assaulted law enforcement officers in the struggle.
And stole a taser.
And pointed and deployed the taser at the officer? (one article I read claimed Brooks shot the taser at the officer)..

Brooks did about 5 things wrong before the cop made poor judgement..

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:17 am How does the cop know (at that point) that it's HIS TAZER that's being pointed back at him? Perhaps the dude had his own gun that he pulled given the chance and was pointing THAT back at the officers?

As a police officer, are you willing to put YOUR life on the line betting 100% that it's your tazer being pointed back at you?

Not me.

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:04 am

Baldy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:58 am
He had already failed a field sobriety test, so I'm pretty sure he would have been frisked by then.

Can you frisk someone that hasn't been charged yet? I don't know the protocol. Not sure of the proper sequence, especially in this case.

CID1990 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:18 pm

BDKJMU wrote:This officer getting railroaded. The 2 cops were having a professional encounter with the guy until the guy resisted arrest and got in a fight with the 2 cops, took one of their tasers, started to run, then turned back and pointed the taser at the officer. WTF was the officer suppose to do? If the officer goes hands on with the guy and gets tasered & incapacitaed, then the suspect could grab his gun & shoot him with it.

The dipstick mayor chimed in right off the bat that the shooting was unjustified and DA says contemplating murder charges. Talk about a rush to judgement.

I think there’s an element of reasonableness that needs to be applied here.

I know of a number of cases where officers have been killed after being incapacitated with a taser

In fact, there’s an active lawsuit against APD where someone died after being tased, and the lawsuit refers to a taser as a deadly weapon. So there’s that. Lots of case law supports this as a justified shooting. So there isn’t going to be civil or criminal liability here.

However, I would not have fired in this situation. I know this because I have been in a very similar one. I think the officer exhibited less than good judgment in this situation, and there’s no Monday morning quarterbacking needed to see it.

1) the guy is trying to escape. Anyone who has been in one of these encounters knows that dude is going to run until his feet fall off. Let him run! You have his car and his info. Pick him up on a warrant later.

2) there are two officers. If one is incapacitated with the taser, and then the perp advances on him, then you are in a deadly force situation. If I were alone, then I probably would have fired, even though the guy is running away because once Im down he can double back. Not going to happen if I have a partner with me.

So I’d call this a strictly legal shooting with poor judgment. If I’m a cop, I don’t want to work with this guy because one day he’s going to do it again and he might take me down with him. So I’m not bothered with the firing. Let the dude go sell insurance or something if he isn’t married to a RN


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CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:27 pm Again, the shooting was legal that isn’t being debated here. But it was the culmination of a couple errors of judgment. There are all kinds of justified police shootings that are preventable - independent of anything the suspect does.

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:47 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:39 am

Didn't they pretty much frisk this guy before any of that happened? Where would the guy have been hiding a gun that they wouldn't have found it?

I don't know for sure. Don't they frisk after you cuff them sometimes? I see a lot of that on Live PD.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:28 pm

CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:47 am
I don't know for sure. Don't they frisk after you cuff them sometimes? I see a lot of that on Live PD.

Live PD. Didn't that shit get cancelled due to racism?

BDKJMU wrote:

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:28 pm Live PD. Didn't that shit get cancelled due to racism?

Got cancelled last week, as did COPS, because apparently we can't have police shows any more..