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AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:39 am
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Agreed...which also dovetails with mandates for wearing masks and stay at home orders.
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kalm wrote:
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If everyone did what they should, you COULD defund police. :coffee:
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Why aren't all you "Patriots" rushing to Portland to fight the Feds? this is exactly what you all have been yammering about for years and why each of you have to have a small arsenal at the bottom of your nearest body of water.

Now that it is happening, either crickets or taking the side of the Feds. Classic. Or bitching about the ACLU not doing enough.


And no, Democrats won't cheer if unidenified Federal Gestapo agents start kidnapping a bunch of right-wingers.
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Sunday in Seattle. Just another typical peaceful protest, shown in the below video.
Seattle police released body camera footage Tuesday revealing how protesters threw projectiles, including bottles, traffic cones and fireworks, at officers in front of the West Precinct over the weekend. As a result, 12 officers were injured.

"We are relating this video in an attempt to be transparent and will continue to released videos of significant incidents," the Seattle Police Department said.

What started out as a peaceful protest Sunday against police brutality, quickly turned violent in the afternoon, as a group of demonstrators carrying baseball bats began breaking windows and tagging buildings with paint, police said in a statement.

The group then made their way to the West Precinct, where some individuals attempted to break into the building. Body camera footage shows one protester using a black umbrella to allegedly obstruct the view on surveillance cameras, police said.

"Officers moved in to escort the person away from the doors and were immediately assaulted," the department said.

Several officers on bikes positioned themselves outside the precinct as protesters hurled rocks and bottles at them. Some protesters also threw "large mortar-type fireworks" at officers "from a close range," which exploded on the concrete in small, fiery bursts, kicking up smoke and injuring officers who were nearby.

At least two officers reportedly suffered from lacerations and abrasion injuries from the blasts. while a third officer sustained burns to his neck area and received treatment from the Seattle Fire Department before he was later transported to the hospital.

Police lobbed blast balls and pepper spray at throngs of demonstrators in return.

Officers arrested two individuals, one for assault and the other for theft, police said.

Protesters went on to damage and loot local businesses in downtown Seattle, setting a small fire inside one of the shops.

Demonstrators also attacked the East Precinct, which has been the focal point over the past few months for protesters calling to defund the police, even forcing its brief closure in June due to frayed relations between the community and police.

A large, mortar-type firework was thrown inside the lobby of the precinct, causing a small fire, but no one was injured, police said.

"According to the Incident Commander, individuals within this group appeared to be very organized and this appeared to be a very concerted effort at property damage of certain businesses and government facilities," the Seattle Police Department said in a statement.
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dbackjon wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:45 am
Why aren't all you "Patriots" rushing to Portland to fight the Feds? this is exactly what you all have been yammering about for years and why each of you have to have a small arsenal at the bottom of your nearest body of water.

Now that it is happening, either crickets or taking the side of the Feds. Classic. Or bitching about the ACLU not doing enough.

And no, Democrats won't cheer if unidenified Federal Gestapo agents start kidnapping a bunch of right-wingers.
As I stated earlier " It isn't safe for me not just because of the risk from the jack booted feds but also because of the protesters. I'm a middle-aged white male, the subject of much of their ire."

And FTR, I don't own a firearm and never have though I am considering purchasing one based on the directions that the alt-right and ctrl-left want to take this country.

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https://www.bellingcat.com/news/america ... -portland/

Great summary of the mess in Portland
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As I stated earlier " It isn't safe for me not just because of the risk from the jack booted feds but also because of the protesters. I'm a middle-aged white male, the subject of much of their ire."

And FTR, I don't own a firearm and never have though I am considering purchasing one based on the directions that the alt-right and ctrl-left want to take this country.
I helped a friend in NYC purchase a shotgun for home defense earlier this year. When he started asking me questions on what brand and other details to look for, you could of knocked me over with a toothpick I was so surprised. :lol:
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dbackjon wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:16 am
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/america ... -portland/

Great summary of the mess in Portland
You opinion piece seems pretty biased and self-congratulatory, focusing on one side of the story. It's statement that "it was the end result of more than six weeks of escalating state violence against largely nonviolent demonstrators" is contradicted by:
They entered the building, trashing the interior and lighting random fires inside. I watched all this happen from feet away, and it is my opinion that the destruction was unplanned, yet more or less inevitable
...
One rampaged through a series of downtown banks, shattering windows and lighting fires as they ran from the cops. Another, larger group of demonstrators tore through the luxury shopping district, sacking the Apple Store, Louis Vuitton, H&M and, eventually, looting a Target.
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Yet through the latter half of June and into early July, protesters began experimenting with different tactics. Some small groups of activists started destroying statues, starting with Thomas Jefferson and George Washington on June 14th and 18th.
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For unclear reasons, a small group of activists moved over to the Mid-K Beauty Supply, which abuts the North Precinct, and set fire to the plywood covering its windows.
That is just some of the violence and destruction by the rioters. The Youth Liberation Front encourages that violence and destruction.

The Feds have added fuel to the fire but the local political leaders (Mayor, Governor, etc.), local police and the rioters are not innocent in what this has evolved into. They have contributed to the problem with their actions and inactions.

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dbackjon wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:45 am
Why aren't all you "Patriots" rushing to Portland to fight the Feds? this is exactly what you all have been yammering about for years and why each of you have to have a small arsenal at the bottom of your nearest body of water.

Now that it is happening, either crickets or taking the side of the Feds. Classic. Or bitching about the ACLU not doing enough.


And no, Democrats won't cheer if unidenified Federal Gestapo agents start kidnapping a bunch of right-wingers.
Actually, if I were to go to Portland it would be to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. They are putting down a terrorist insurrection against individuals hell-bent on destroying America. ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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UNI88 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:47 am
dbackjon wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:16 am
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/america ... -portland/

Great summary of the mess in Portland
You opinion piece seems pretty biased and self-congratulatory, focusing on one side of the story. It's statement that "it was the end result of more than six weeks of escalating state violence against largely nonviolent demonstrators" is contradicted by:
They entered the building, trashing the interior and lighting random fires inside. I watched all this happen from feet away, and it is my opinion that the destruction was unplanned, yet more or less inevitable
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One rampaged through a series of downtown banks, shattering windows and lighting fires as they ran from the cops. Another, larger group of demonstrators tore through the luxury shopping district, sacking the Apple Store, Louis Vuitton, H&M and, eventually, looting a Target.
...
Yet through the latter half of June and into early July, protesters began experimenting with different tactics. Some small groups of activists started destroying statues, starting with Thomas Jefferson and George Washington on June 14th and 18th.
...
For unclear reasons, a small group of activists moved over to the Mid-K Beauty Supply, which abuts the North Precinct, and set fire to the plywood covering its windows.
That is just some of the violence and destruction by the rioters. The Youth Liberation Front encourages that violence and destruction.

The Feds have added fuel to the fire but the local political leaders (Mayor, Governor, etc.), local police and the rioters are not innocent in what this has evolved into. They have contributed to the problem with their actions and inactions.
Imagine that. Dback only listening to/hearing one side of the story. :rofl: :rofl:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:50 am
dbackjon wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:45 am
Why aren't all you "Patriots" rushing to Portland to fight the Feds? this is exactly what you all have been yammering about for years and why each of you have to have a small arsenal at the bottom of your nearest body of water.

Now that it is happening, either crickets or taking the side of the Feds. Classic. Or bitching about the ACLU not doing enough.

And no, Democrats won't cheer if unidenified Federal Gestapo agents start kidnapping a bunch of right-wingers.
Actually, if I were to go to Portland it would be to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. They are putting down a terrorist insurrection against individuals hell-bent on destroying America. ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. :nod: :nod: :nod:
They're also attacking peaceful protesters and picking people up off of the street and in so doing violating their oath to protect the (1st Amendment - right to assembly and probably the 4th & 5th Amendments - searches & seizures and Miranda rights) of the Constitution. Their actions are far from righteous.

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UNI88 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:23 am
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I am not coming to the side of the Feds at all here but a good chunk of the blame rests on the local politicians feet due to the culture they have fostered for the last decade or so. When you encourage a certain type of behavior for years and in each consecutive year, a blind eye is turned to more and more areas while doing whatever possible to hamstring the individuals that are in place to keep certain behavior in check. There will be a point where the boundaries cannot be pushed any more.
My perspective is that the feds weren't invited. They're overstepping their bounds. They don't appear to be identifiable so they probably can't be charged with any crimes that they commit. As federal officers haven't they taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution? Are they really upholding the Bill of Rights or are we veering into jack booted authoritarian territory?

No doubt the mayor, governor and rioters have also fvcked this up. As I said earlier in the thread, I'm appalled by all of them. My sister texted me yesterday to see if I was safe. I assumed she was talking about the virus but she meant the protests/riots. I told her that "I won't go anywhere near downtown right now. Ironically, I don't think it's safe for me." It isn't safe for me not just because of the risk from the jack booted feds but also because of the protesters. I'm a middle-aged white male, the subject of much of their ire. It's ironic because I wonder if this is what an African American felt going into a "forbidden" area in the past. Are protestors attempting to swing the pendulum too far in the opposite direction and to trade one set of fears and oppression for another?
The Feds were called in to protect a Federal Courthouse form being overrun from the rioters. So my understanding is that they are within their rights to be there.

And agree with WB post about the local politicians allowing this activity to fester over the years. Telling the local PD to stand down while protperty is destroyed isn't helping the matter.

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dbackjon wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:45 am
Why aren't all you "Patriots" rushing to Portland to fight the Feds? this is exactly what you all have been yammering about for years and why each of you have to have a small arsenal at the bottom of your nearest body of water.

Now that it is happening, either crickets or taking the side of the Feds. Classic. Or bitching about the ACLU not doing enough.


And no, Democrats won't cheer if unidenified Federal Gestapo agents start kidnapping a bunch of right-wingers.
See my post above. The Feds are defending a Federal Courthouse form being over run by the rioters. Don't want to get arrested by the Feds, don't smash in a window at the Federal Courthouse, go smash in a window at Starbucks or Amazon instead. :coffee:

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UNI88 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:58 am
AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:50 am


Actually, if I were to go to Portland it would be to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. They are putting down a terrorist insurrection against individuals hell-bent on destroying America. ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. :nod: :nod: :nod:
They're also attacking peaceful protesters and picking people up off of the street and in so doing violating their oath to protect the (1st Amendment - right to assembly and probably the 4th & 5th Amendments - searches & seizures and Miranda rights) of the Constitution. Their actions are far from righteous.
Is there proof of that? Or are we to believe the righteous mayor of Portland? Do you know they were being peaceful BEFORE they were arrested? Do you KNOW they weren't read their Miranda rights?

And don't get me wrong: I'd love nothing more than for the Feds to completely vacate and let Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., burn to the fucking ground. In fact, I would have preferred Trump not intervene AT ALL. Let these leftist apologetic, appeasement, enabling policies see the light of day for what they really are and what they really result in. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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UNI88 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:58 am
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Actually, if I were to go to Portland it would be to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. They are putting down a terrorist insurrection against individuals hell-bent on destroying America. ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic. :nod: :nod: :nod:
They're also attacking peaceful protesters and picking people up off of the street and in so doing violating their oath to protect the (1st Amendment - right to assembly and probably the 4th & 5th Amendments - searches & seizures and Miranda rights) of the Constitution. Their actions are far from righteous.
Once the "protest" is deemed a "riot", doesn't that go out the window? And once arrested, they still have their due process rights intact, no?

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A clip of those peaceful protests in Portland:


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Peacefully trying to breach the Federal Courthouse


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Nothing to see here. Move along....just jackbooted federal thugs menacing a meek, kind public gathering.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:15 pm
Nothing to see here. Move along....just jackbooted federal thugs menacing a meek, kind public gathering.
Not to mention that tonight will be day 62 of these "peaceful protests". :dunce:

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AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:08 pm
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Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:58 am

They're also attacking peaceful protesters and picking people up off of the street and in so doing violating their oath to protect the (1st Amendment - right to assembly and probably the 4th & 5th Amendments - searches & seizures and Miranda rights) of the Constitution. Their actions are far from righteous.
Is there proof of that? Or are we to believe the righteous mayor of Portland? Do you know they were being peaceful BEFORE they were arrested? Do you KNOW they weren't read their Miranda rights?

And don't get me wrong: I'd love nothing more than for the Feds to completely vacate and let Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., burn to the fucking ground. In fact, I would have preferred Trump not intervene AT ALL. Let these leftist apologetic, appeasement, enabling policies see the light of day for what they really are and what they really result in. :nod: :nod: :nod:
Did you miss the story on USNA graduate Christopher David. Do you think the attack on him was a one-time thing? I said probably 4th & 5th. Do I have absolute proof? No but I'm pretty sure they're violating their oaths to protect the Constitution.

I'm not defending the rioters. They're a huge part of the problem but the federal response has thrown fuel on the fire and their actions have been more than questionable.

It would have been better if the Feds had stayed away. Now they've given Wheeler and Brown and excuse to not own the results.

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UNI88 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:49 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:08 pm


Is there proof of that? Or are we to believe the righteous mayor of Portland? Do you know they were being peaceful BEFORE they were arrested? Do you KNOW they weren't read their Miranda rights?

And don't get me wrong: I'd love nothing more than for the Feds to completely vacate and let Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., burn to the fucking ground. In fact, I would have preferred Trump not intervene AT ALL. Let these leftist apologetic, appeasement, enabling policies see the light of day for what they really are and what they really result in. :nod: :nod: :nod:
Did you miss the story on USNA graduate Christopher David. Do you think the attack on him was a one-time thing? I said probably 4th & 5th. Do I have absolute proof? No but I'm pretty sure they're violating their oaths to protect the Constitution.

I'm not defending the rioters. They're a huge part of the problem but the federal response has thrown fuel on the fire and their actions have been more than questionable.

It would have been better if the Feds had stayed away. Now they've given Wheeler and Brown and excuse to not own the results.
Like I said, i would have greatly preferred they NOT get involved, for precisely that reason....
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UNI88 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:49 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:08 pm


Is there proof of that? Or are we to believe the righteous mayor of Portland? Do you know they were being peaceful BEFORE they were arrested? Do you KNOW they weren't read their Miranda rights?

And don't get me wrong: I'd love nothing more than for the Feds to completely vacate and let Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, etc., burn to the fucking ground. In fact, I would have preferred Trump not intervene AT ALL. Let these leftist apologetic, appeasement, enabling policies see the light of day for what they really are and what they really result in. :nod: :nod: :nod:
Did you miss the story on USNA graduate Christopher David. Do you think the attack on him was a one-time thing? I said probably 4th & 5th. Do I have absolute proof? No but I'm pretty sure they're violating their oaths to protect the Constitution.

I'm not defending the rioters. They're a huge part of the problem but the federal response has thrown fuel on the fire and their actions have been more than questionable.

It would have been better if the Feds had stayed away. Now they've given Wheeler and Brown and excuse to not own the results.
And the Fed Courthouse and ICE buildings in Portland would have been completely ransacked at best, burned to the ground at worst.

It would have been better if the Wheeler an Brown would do their jobs in- unshackling the Portland PD, calling in state police, calling out the Nat Guard, etc, and bringing the hammer down on dealing with the left wing, anarchist mobs that are hell bent on rioting and destruction, then the Feds wouldn't have been needed.

Notice how its the liberal, blue state govs that allow the left wing, anarchist mobs to go wild. Notice how you don't see that in red states?
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BDKJMU wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:37 pm
UNI88 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:49 pm


Did you miss the story on USNA graduate Christopher David. Do you think the attack on him was a one-time thing? I said probably 4th & 5th. Do I have absolute proof? No but I'm pretty sure they're violating their oaths to protect the Constitution.

I'm not defending the rioters. They're a huge part of the problem but the federal response has thrown fuel on the fire and their actions have been more than questionable.

It would have been better if the Feds had stayed away. Now they've given Wheeler and Brown and excuse to not own the results.
And the Fed Courthouse and ICE buildings in Portland would have been completely ransacked at best, burned to the ground at worst.

It would have been better if the Wheeler an Brown would do their jobs in- unshackling the Portland PD, calling in state police, calling out the Nat Guard, etc, and bringing the hammer down on dealing with the left wing, anarchist mobs that are hell bent on rioting and destruction, then the Feds wouldn't have been needed.

Notice how its the liberal, blue state govs that allow the left wing, anarchist mobs to go wild. Notice how you don't see that in red states?
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Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:45 pm
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Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:37 pm

And the Fed Courthouse and ICE buildings in Portland would have been completely ransacked at best, burned to the ground at worst.

It would have been better if the Wheeler an Brown would do their jobs in- unshackling the Portland PD, calling in state police, calling out the Nat Guard, etc, and bringing the hammer down on dealing with the left wing, anarchist mobs that are hell bent on rioting and destruction, then the Feds wouldn't have been needed.

Notice how its the liberal, blue state govs that allow the left wing, anarchist mobs to go wild. Notice how you don't see that in red states?
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