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In Portland, black lives matter, you faggot.

Right, dback?


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UNI88 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:15 pm
Now they're beating and pepper spraying a 50 year old Navy vet without apparent provocation other than harsh words about their oaths to the Constitution ...

That guy is a bad ass. Didn't even flinch when hit by the baton. Old guy too. That was amazing. I bet the guy who hit him had his penis shrink to 1/4 size when he did that and the guy didn't even flinch.
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UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:17 pm
Gettin ugly out there. States rights...limited government, right to protest and such..
:nod: & :ohno: Are they wearing anything like a name badge or number so that they can be identified for trial later?

CID, is there any legitimate reason that a federal officer not working undercover shouldn't be identifiable?
I’m sure they are making an “officer safety” argument for not being identifiable but whatever...

I am really happy Fed LE arrogance is being displayed this way... these guys are every DEA task force I ever encountered

The Libertarian Party should be campaigning on this crap. But instead, people will vote for the Dems - the one party with the worst track record of weaponizing Fed LE


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CID1990 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:10 pm
UNI88 wrote:
:nod: & :ohno: Are they wearing anything like a name badge or number so that they can be identified for trial later?

CID, is there any legitimate reason that a federal officer not working undercover shouldn't be identifiable?
I’m sure they are making an “officer safety” argument for not being identifiable but whatever...

I am really happy Fed LE arrogance is being displayed this way... these guys are every DEA task force I ever encountered

The Libertarian Party should be campaigning on this crap. But instead, people will vote for the Dems - the one party with the worst track record of weaponizing Fed LE

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Officer safety? The federal government doesn't have the resources and wherewithal to place a unique and readable sequence of letters and/or numbers on an agent's uniform or fatigues that can be tied back to their information only with a court order? This should be a part of the Patriot Act. Why are agents wearing fatigues? If they want to militarize the DHS then it should be subject to Posse Comitatus.

Jeff Deist with the Mises Institute had an interesting take on this ...

ABOUT THOSE SPOOKY FEDERAL COPS IN PORTLAND
Dear Portlandia progressives: a federal government big enough to take care of you is a federal government big enough to "take care of you."
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Scary unidentifiable police, federal black sites, and procedureless snatching of individuals from the streets are the wholly predictable and natural consequences of the very policies you advocated for decades. Why do you imagine a big government with lots of power will restrict itself to the cozy "social issues" and economic takings you support? Government can seize the means of production, but not seize you?
The Ron Paul quote on Homeland Security was prescient.

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UNI88 wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:10 pm
I’m sure they are making an “officer safety” argument for not being identifiable but whatever...

I am really happy Fed LE arrogance is being displayed this way... these guys are every DEA task force I ever encountered

The Libertarian Party should be campaigning on this crap. But instead, people will vote for the Dems - the one party with the worst track record of weaponizing Fed LE

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Officer safety? The federal government doesn't have the resources and wherewithal to place a unique and readable sequence of letters and/or numbers on an agent's uniform or fatigues that can be tied back to their information only with a court order? This should be a part of the Patriot Act. Why are agents wearing fatigues? If they want to militarize the DHS then it should be subject to Posse Comitatus.

Jeff Deist with the Mises Institute had an interesting take on this ...

ABOUT THOSE SPOOKY FEDERAL COPS IN PORTLAND
Dear Portlandia progressives: a federal government big enough to take care of you is a federal government big enough to "take care of you."
...
Scary unidentifiable police, federal black sites, and procedureless snatching of individuals from the streets are the wholly predictable and natural consequences of the very policies you advocated for decades. Why do you imagine a big government with lots of power will restrict itself to the cozy "social issues" and economic takings you support? Government can seize the means of production, but not seize you?
The Ron Paul quote on Homeland Security was prescient.
I said I’m sure that’s what they will say - I am not defending the practice
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CID1990 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:57 pm
UNI88 wrote:
Officer safety? The federal government doesn't have the resources and wherewithal to place a unique and readable sequence of letters and/or numbers on an agent's uniform or fatigues that can be tied back to their information only with a court order? This should be a part of the Patriot Act. Why are agents wearing fatigues? If they want to militarize the DHS then it should be subject to Posse Comitatus.

Jeff Deist with the Mises Institute had an interesting take on this ...

ABOUT THOSE SPOOKY FEDERAL COPS IN PORTLAND

The Ron Paul quote on Homeland Security was prescient.
I said I’m sure that’s what they will say - I am not defending the practice
Sorry, that was directed at DHS and it's/Trump's sycophants not you.

And you're right, this is an opportunity for the Libertarian Party. Opposition to this is consistent with it's core values and should have crossover appeal from the SJWs protesting around the country to the Clive Bundy types.

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CID1990 wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:10 pm
UNI88 wrote:
:nod: & :ohno: Are they wearing anything like a name badge or number so that they can be identified for trial later?

CID, is there any legitimate reason that a federal officer not working undercover shouldn't be identifiable?
I’m sure they are making an “officer safety” argument for not being identifiable but whatever...

I am really happy Fed LE arrogance is being displayed this way... these guys are every DEA task force I ever encountered

The Libertarian Party should be campaigning on this crap. But instead, people will vote for the Dems - the one party with the worst track record of weaponizing Fed LE


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Why are they driving around in unmarked minivans with Florida plates?
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kalm wrote:
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Why are they driving around in unmarked minivans with Florida plates?
I’m ok with unmarked cars. You can’t leave a marked one unattended without it being set on fire or otherwise disabled.


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kalm wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:35 am
Baldy wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:45 am
Why are they driving around in unmarked minivans with Florida plates?
Because they're having to deal with people who do this:

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CID1990 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:16 am
kalm wrote:
Why are they driving around in unmarked minivans with Florida plates?
I’m ok with unmarked cars. You can’t leave a marked one unattended without it being set on fire or otherwise disabled.


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Good to see some cities pushing back but man...potential for some problems...
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Baldy wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:54 am
kalm wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:35 am

Why are they driving around in unmarked minivans with Florida plates?
Because they're having to deal with people who do this:
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I see as SRT but not a personal identifier for this guy. Are USBP agents wearing identifiers but not other agents?

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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:08 am
Baldy wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:54 am

Because they're having to deal with people who do this:
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I see as SRT but not a personal identifier for this guy. Are USBP agents wearing identifiers but not other agents?
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Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:12 am
UNI88 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:08 am

I see as SRT but not a personal identifier for this guy. Are USBP agents wearing identifiers but not other agents?
Hey, 88, no more virtue-signaling! Now get off the fence and down in the trenches to protect your city! :nod:
I'm not going anywhere near that mess. I'm a middle-aged white small l libertarian male and could be a target of the rioters and the storm troopers.

What is the LP doing to campaign on this crap?

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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:15 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:12 am


Hey, 88, no more virtue-signaling! Now get off the fence and down in the trenches to protect your city! :nod:
I'm not going anywhere near that mess. I'm a middle-aged white small l libertarian male and could be a target of the rioters and the storm troopers.

What is the LP doing to campaign on this crap?
Look at the Jorgensen-Cohen website law enforcement portion.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:37 am
UNI88 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:15 am

I'm not going anywhere near that mess. I'm a middle-aged white small l libertarian male and could be a target of the rioters and the storm troopers.

What is the LP doing to campaign on this crap?
Look at the Jorgensen-Cohen website law enforcement portion.
This?
“I am appalled that the United States ranks number one in the world for having the highest percentage of people imprisoned. I am also appalled that the federal government permits police to seize a person’s assets without first convicting them of a crime, and then keep most of the assets seized. This is literally highway robbery. As President, I will use my Constitutional authority to end federal civil asset forfeiture prior to conviction, and pardon persons convicted of non-violent victimless crimes. I will also work with Congress to end the failed War on Drugs and other victimless crime laws.”

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I just got finished with the Waco miniseries on Netflix and I think the "no one has ever been so abused by the feds" funny and ironically Trumpian.

What's funnier is some of the people pitching the biggest fits today would be cheering the FBI and ATF on if that incident happened today.
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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:00 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:37 am


Look at the Jorgensen-Cohen website law enforcement portion.
This?
“I am appalled that the United States ranks number one in the world for having the highest percentage of people imprisoned. I am also appalled that the federal government permits police to seize a person’s assets without first convicting them of a crime, and then keep most of the assets seized. This is literally highway robbery. As President, I will use my Constitutional authority to end federal civil asset forfeiture prior to conviction, and pardon persons convicted of non-violent victimless crimes. I will also work with Congress to end the failed War on Drugs and other victimless crime laws.”
That’s part of it. The LP is also for ending qualified immunity and against militarizing the police. That said, the LP opposes defunding the police. It recognizes the role of police in protecting life and property in a civilized society.
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:23 am
That’s part of it. The LP is also for ending qualified immunity and against militarizing the police. That said, the LP opposes defunding the police. It recognizes the role of police in protecting life and property in a civilized society.
That is consistent with my beliefs regarding the police.

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UNI88 wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:48 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:23 am
That’s part of it. The LP is also for ending qualified immunity and against militarizing the police. That said, the LP opposes defunding the police. It recognizes the role of police in protecting life and property in a civilized society.
That is consistent with my beliefs regarding the police.
Same but I feel a bit of schadenfreude about the whole situation.

On one hand I am not supportive of what is happening there now from a Fed and a local level but on the other hand I want to crack a beer and find some popcorn.
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kalm wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:35 am
Baldy wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:45 am
Why are they driving around in unmarked minivans with Florida plates?
Because if they drive around in marked vehicles this would be the result due to the left wing anarchist mob in Portland:
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kalm wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:07 am
Good to see some cities pushing back but man...potential for some problems...
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BDKJMU wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:44 am
kalm wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:35 am

Why are they driving around in unmarked minivans with Florida plates?
Because if they drive around in marked vehicles this would be the result due to the left wing anarchist mob in Portland:
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CID beat you to it.
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kalm wrote:
Why are they driving around in unmarked minivans with Florida plates?
I’m ok with unmarked cars. You can’t leave a marked one unattended without it being set on fire or otherwise disabled.

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