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New psychology research finds extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements
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I don't really care about any of it honestly - certainly not enough to fight about it - and I think its shitty to pretend in this scenario
so I'm just going to get out of the way and watch without judgment
there are people willing to die for this cause right now
and honestly I kinda respect that
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Re: New psychology research finds extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements
I haven’t seen anyone in this yet who I thought was prepared to die. And I’ve seen a lot of riots up close and personalChizzang wrote:I don't really care about any of it honestly - certainly not enough to fight about it - and I think its shitty to pretend in this scenario
so I'm just going to get out of the way and watch without judgment
there are people willing to die for this cause right now
and honestly I kinda respect that
My experience with the psychology of rioting is that there is safety in numbers - and any time aggrieved groups can reach a critical mass that public safety cannot handle they will act from a sense of herd security
If police were truly unrestrained killers or we were really a fascist state you would see empty streets right now. We have a problem but it isn’t the Warsaw Ghetto - not even close. Everybody, even the rioters, still has plenty to lose
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Re: New psychology research finds extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements
presently our police departments are disgracing themselves in plain sight to the world - with the occasional outstretched hand of peaceCID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:56 pmI haven’t seen anyone in this yet who I thought was prepared to die. And I’ve seen a lot of riots up close and personalChizzang wrote:
I don't really care about any of it honestly - certainly not enough to fight about it - and I think its shitty to pretend in this scenario
so I'm just going to get out of the way and watch without judgment
there are people willing to die for this cause right now
and honestly I kinda respect that
My experience with the psychology of rioting is that there is safety in numbers - and any time aggrieved groups can reach a critical mass that public safety cannot handle they will act from a sense of herd security
If police were truly unrestrained killers or we were really a fascist state you would see empty streets right now. We have a problem but it isn’t the Warsaw Ghetto - not even close. Everybody, even the rioters, still has plenty to lose
the veil of bullish!t has been momentarily pulled back
I'm curious to see if President upside down and backwards Bible can sweep it all back under the carpet or if he grabs more matches
I've got a prediction - he continues to blame Obama and Joe Biden
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Re: New psychology research finds extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements
Ok 9.
According to the Washington Post database, 1028 people (all races) were shot and killed by police in 2019. 41 unarmed.
White: 19
Black: 9
Hispanic: 6
Other: 4
Unknown: 3
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... -database/
Go look at the lates FBI crime stats. Only 3% black homicide vics (most of whom were armed) were killed by police (I’ve posted this in other threads with link). And not all the cops are white.
89% of black homicide vics were killed by other blacks. Memorial Day weekend in Chicago, 82 shot, 19 fatally. https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/top-chic ... 29827.html
One weekend, 1 city. One week wonder what was the race of most of the shooters and vics is?
But by all means, lets riot in a 150+ US cities over the police killing of unarmed blacks, a tiny fraction of 1% of black homicides every year..
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Re: New psychology research finds extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements
They’re dying for TV’s. 98% of those rioters don’t know the ‘cause’ they’re rioting for.Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:41 pmI don't really care about any of it honestly - certainly not enough to fight about it - and I think its shitty to pretend in this scenario
so I'm just going to get out of the way and watch without judgment
there are people willing to die for this cause right now
and honestly I kinda respect that
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Re: New psychology research finds extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements
The only people disgracing themselves are the leftists who just 8 days ago were raging against those who were marching to open the country and are now out protesting and rioting and stealing TV’s and killing/attacking innocent people. Again, if there’s a spike in COVID cases in two weeks we know who to blame. You can’t support THESE “protests” while simultaneously shouting down the ones from a week ago.Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:04 pmpresently our police departments are disgracing themselves in plain sight to the world - with the occasional outstretched hand of peaceCID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:56 pm
I haven’t seen anyone in this yet who I thought was prepared to die. And I’ve seen a lot of riots up close and personal
My experience with the psychology of rioting is that there is safety in numbers - and any time aggrieved groups can reach a critical mass that public safety cannot handle they will act from a sense of herd security
If police were truly unrestrained killers or we were really a fascist state you would see empty streets right now. We have a problem but it isn’t the Warsaw Ghetto - not even close. Everybody, even the rioters, still has plenty to lose
the veil of bullish!t has been momentarily pulled back
I'm curious to see if President upside down and backwards Bible can sweep it all back under the carpet or if he grabs more matches
I've got a prediction - he continues to blame Obama and Joe Biden
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Re: New psychology research finds extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements
Rioter and looters are doing it for one cause, their own benefit.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:02 pmThey’re dying for TV’s. 98% of those rioters don’t know the ‘cause’ they’re rioting for.Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:41 pm
I don't really care about any of it honestly - certainly not enough to fight about it - and I think its shitty to pretend in this scenario
so I'm just going to get out of the way and watch without judgment
there are people willing to die for this cause right now
and honestly I kinda respect that
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Protest and riots are not the same thing, even though the MSN is trying to spin it that way.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:04 pmThe only people disgracing themselves are the leftists who just 8 days ago were raging against those who were marching to open the country and are now out protesting and rioting and stealing TV’s and killing/attacking innocent people. Again, if there’s a spike in COVID cases in two weeks we know who to blame. You can’t support THESE “protests” while simultaneously shouting down the ones from a week ago.Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:04 pm
presently our police departments are disgracing themselves in plain sight to the world - with the occasional outstretched hand of peace
the veil of bullish!t has been momentarily pulled back
I'm curious to see if President upside down and backwards Bible can sweep it all back under the carpet or if he grabs more matches
I've got a prediction - he continues to blame Obama and Joe Biden
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Agreed. Some are protesting. Most are rioting.Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:17 pmProtest and riots are not the same thing, even though the MSN is trying to spin it that way.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:04 pm
The only people disgracing themselves are the leftists who just 8 days ago were raging against those who were marching to open the country and are now out protesting and rioting and stealing TV’s and killing/attacking innocent people. Again, if there’s a spike in COVID cases in two weeks we know who to blame. You can’t support THESE “protests” while simultaneously shouting down the ones from a week ago.
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I'm just a bystanderAZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:04 pmThe only people disgracing themselves are the leftists who just 8 days ago were raging against those who were marching to open the country and are now out protesting and rioting and stealing TV’s and killing/attacking innocent people. Again, if there’s a spike in COVID cases in two weeks we know who to blame. You can’t support THESE “protests” while simultaneously shouting down the ones from a week ago.Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:04 pm
presently our police departments are disgracing themselves in plain sight to the world - with the occasional outstretched hand of peace
the veil of bullish!t has been momentarily pulled back
I'm curious to see if President upside down and backwards Bible can sweep it all back under the carpet or if he grabs more matches
I've got a prediction - he continues to blame Obama and Joe Biden
but people are angry - the country is completely divided - and you and I disagree
and yes our police are disgracing themselves in front of the world
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If they’re disgracing themselves its by allowing these animals to continue on night after night.Chizzang wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:42 pmI'm just a bystanderAZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:04 pm
The only people disgracing themselves are the leftists who just 8 days ago were raging against those who were marching to open the country and are now out protesting and rioting and stealing TV’s and killing/attacking innocent people. Again, if there’s a spike in COVID cases in two weeks we know who to blame. You can’t support THESE “protests” while simultaneously shouting down the ones from a week ago.
but people are angry - the country is completely divided - and you and I disagree
and yes our police are disgracing themselves in front of the world
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Re: New psychology research finds extreme protest actions reduce popular support for social movements
So what do you suggest that the police do?Chizzang wrote:I'm just a bystanderAZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:04 pm The only people disgracing themselves are the leftists who just 8 days ago were raging against those who were marching to open the country and are now out protesting and rioting and stealing TV’s and killing/attacking innocent people. Again, if there’s a spike in COVID cases in two weeks we know who to blame. You can’t support THESE “protests” while simultaneously shouting down the ones from a week ago.
but people are angry - the country is completely divided - and you and I disagree
and yes our police are disgracing themselves in front of the world
Police departments in this country aren’t set up for large scale civil unrest. And yet governors and mayors utilize them as they see fit anyway.
In Charleston on the first night, the police pulled back from King Street at the order of the mayor, and it was trashed.
The next day, the taxpayers and business owners got in his ear and he then ordered CPD to clear out Marion Square, completely, no exceptions. So they then ordered peaceful protesters to leave, they refused, and the riot teams used tear gas and targeted arrests to clear them out. And it was a lawful order - from the mayor.
In a few weeks and months we’ll see these same politicians replacing the “bad” chiefs with new, “good” chiefs (they’ll be mostly female and black) and then we’ll wait until the next cop with a history of being heavy handed with union protections kills another black man on camera and then we will do this all over again
This is one of the reasons I got out of law enforcement- because I got tired of doing what the elected leaders had me do until someone complains, and then those same elected leaders allow me to be “da police” and take the blame for their own idiocy (and then replace the police chief with even bigger idiots)
I tell young people these days to RUN NOT WALK away from any idea of a career in law enforcement - because no matter they do they’ll be “da police”
I’ll answer my first question to you - I personally would not go anywhere near these riots. But then I’d be fired. So I quit.
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I don't necessarily disagree that it is mostly hopelessCID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:25 pmSo what do you suggest that the police do?Chizzang wrote:
I'm just a bystander
but people are angry - the country is completely divided - and you and I disagree
and yes our police are disgracing themselves in front of the world
Police departments in this country aren’t set up for large scale civil unrest. And yet governors and mayors utilize them as they see fit anyway.
In Charleston on the first night, the police pulled back from King Street at the order of the mayor, and it was trashed.
The next day, the taxpayers and business owners got in his ear and he then ordered CPD to clear out Marion Square, completely, no exceptions. So they then ordered peaceful protesters to leave, they refused, and the riot teams used tear gas and targeted arrests to clear them out. And it was a lawful order - from the mayor.
In a few weeks and months we’ll see these same politicians replacing the “bad” chiefs with new, “good” chiefs (they’ll be mostly female and black) and then we’ll wait until the next cop with a history of being heavy handed with union protections kills another black man on camera and then we will do this all over again
This is one of the reasons I got out of law enforcement- because I got tired of doing what the elected leaders had me do until someone complains, and then those same elected leaders allow me to be “da police” and take the blame for their own idiocy (and then replace the police chief with even bigger idiots)
I tell young people these days to RUN NOT WALK away from any idea of a career in law enforcement - because no matter they do they’ll be “da police”
I’ll answer my first question to you - I personally would not go anywhere near these riots. But then I’d be fired. So I quit.
but they are disgracing themselves
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They are also being failed by their political leadership in a thousand different ways.Chizzang wrote:I don't necessarily disagree that it is mostly hopelessCID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:25 pm So what do you suggest that the police do?
Police departments in this country aren’t set up for large scale civil unrest. And yet governors and mayors utilize them as they see fit anyway.
In Charleston on the first night, the police pulled back from King Street at the order of the mayor, and it was trashed.
The next day, the taxpayers and business owners got in his ear and he then ordered CPD to clear out Marion Square, completely, no exceptions. So they then ordered peaceful protesters to leave, they refused, and the riot teams used tear gas and targeted arrests to clear them out. And it was a lawful order - from the mayor.
In a few weeks and months we’ll see these same politicians replacing the “bad” chiefs with new, “good” chiefs (they’ll be mostly female and black) and then we’ll wait until the next cop with a history of being heavy handed with union protections kills another black man on camera and then we will do this all over again
This is one of the reasons I got out of law enforcement- because I got tired of doing what the elected leaders had me do until someone complains, and then those same elected leaders allow me to be “da police” and take the blame for their own idiocy (and then replace the police chief with even bigger idiots)
I tell young people these days to RUN NOT WALK away from any idea of a career in law enforcement - because no matter they do they’ll be “da police”
I’ll answer my first question to you - I personally would not go anywhere near these riots. But then I’d be fired. So I quit.
but they are disgracing themselves
As long as the focus is narrowed on the police, the people who set their policies skate
That guy who murdered George Floyd had a history of internal affairs complaints and investigations. Why was he even still wearing a badge?
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Yup. Saw a clip of an arrested looter in LA (or Santa Monica, forget which) and he basically said he was out to steal stuff for cash and that Floyd had very little to do with why he was looting.
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Yep. Anarchists on both sides. But most protesters aren’t causing the problems.
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Did you conduct a poll?
That’s like saying some of the ammosexual cosplayers were protesting for freedom but most were there to simply spread Covid.
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Zero “protesters” are causing problems.kalm wrote:Yep. Anarchists on both sides. But most protesters aren’t causing the problems.
If they are causing problems then they aren’t protesters.
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By proclamation of the DFL Governor of Minnesota, anyone out after the 8pm curfew was not a protester.
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If you check, I agreed that Kaepernick had the right to take a knee...I just stated that it was an insult to the people who fought and died for his right to do what he did...Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:03 amFuck off. Kneeling during the national anthem was peaceful protest. How did that go over?
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Agreed. I also think the peaceful protests were hijacked by those wanting to incite riots (be it antifa, white supremacists, whoever you want to blame). Once a few smashed windows and fires got the ball rolling the rest was inevitable. Having local PD standing by doing nothing allowed it to snowball even more and of course the recent new bail laws in some states that make it catch and release for a lot of offenses isn't helping. All this coming on the heels where the Chinese Flu has 40M people unemployed. A perfect storm.