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Yea.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:05 pm Senior Chinese diplomat accuses EU of politicising trade
Australia shrugs off China trade dispute and opens new markets
Tell me who's politicizing trade?
And crickets from our elected "betters".
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Ugh. Clay Travis. Liked his cfb books. Then went full MAGA. Clay Travis should stick to sports, imo.
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So what? Does he have a point about LeBron?Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:19 pm Ugh. Clay Travis. Liked his cfb books. Then went full MAGA. Clay Travis should stick to sports, imo.
Does LeBron care about human rights and equality? Or does he only care about them when the people look like him and when it doesn't cost him money?
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I'll take option "B", for $100,000....UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:39 pmSo what? Does he have a point about LeBron?Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:19 pm Ugh. Clay Travis. Liked his cfb books. Then went full MAGA. Clay Travis should stick to sports, imo.
Does LeBron care about human rights and equality? Or does he only care about them when the people look like him and when it doesn't cost him money?
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The irony here is that Travis is more Anti-woke than pro-MAGA...but I mean don't let facts something something something...Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:19 pm Ugh. Clay Travis. Liked his cfb books. Then went full MAGA. Clay Travis should stick to sports, imo.
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That was deliberateSDHornet wrote:Happened in Taiwan, but the unloaded boat came from China. Hhmm...
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Having spent significant time in, on and around SE Asian ports and S.K ships, there is an ASTOUNDING lack of shiphandling, shipyard and general safety concerns. Those fuckers just do whatever they want, and come what may, I swear to god. I've watched SK Navy commanders sideswipe ships, snap lines, rip off scuppers, lifelines, etc., etc., on theirs and other ships, and just keeeeep moving. Unreal.
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Asian drivers..AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:33 amHaving spent significant time in, on and around SE Asian ports and S.K ships, there is an ASTOUNDING lack of shiphandling, shipyard and general safety concerns. Those fuckers just do whatever they want, and come what may, I swear to god. I've watched SK Navy commanders sideswipe ships, snap lines, rip off scuppers, lifelines, etc., etc., on theirs and other ships, and just keeeeep moving. Unreal.
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I mean, as a US sailor, it was the weirdest thing I'd ever seen. They just did NOT GAF.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:39 amAsian drivers..AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:33 am
Having spent significant time in, on and around SE Asian ports and S.K ships, there is an ASTOUNDING lack of shiphandling, shipyard and general safety concerns. Those fuckers just do whatever they want, and come what may, I swear to god. I've watched SK Navy commanders sideswipe ships, snap lines, rip off scuppers, lifelines, etc., etc., on theirs and other ships, and just keeeeep moving. Unreal.
And having spent a significant amount of time on SK roads, I can assure you the "Asian driver" concept is very, very real.
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AZGrizFan wrote:Having spent significant time in, on and around SE Asian ports and S.K ships, there is an ASTOUNDING lack of shiphandling, shipyard and general safety concerns. Those fuckers just do whatever they want, and come what may, I swear to god. I've watched SK Navy commanders sideswipe ships, snap lines, rip off scuppers, lifelines, etc., etc., on theirs and other ships, and just keeeeep moving. Unreal.
There is some truth to that. When I lived in Vietnam, a buddy of mine there was a maritime insurance adjuster for Lloyd’s. He was a former tanker captain for BP and he was full of stories. I’ve witnessed some waterborne craziness there myself.AZGrizFan wrote:Having spent significant time in, on and around SE Asian ports and S.K ships, there is an ASTOUNDING lack of shiphandling, shipyard and general safety concerns. Those fuckers just do whatever they want, and come what may, I swear to god. I've watched SK Navy commanders sideswipe ships, snap lines, rip off scuppers, lifelines, etc., etc., on theirs and other ships, and just keeeeep moving. Unreal.
However, I say this was deliberate for a couple reasons -
Chinese captains of the larger, newer ships which visit ports in fully developed countries are actually pretty highly qualified. They have to be in order to be bonded for operating in these port facilities. So I am certain that this particular captain was skilled, and in fact he managed to shut down a Taiwan dock facility with minimal damage to his own vessel.
China is harassing Taiwan literally on all fronts and this is just another facet of that. I say this was deliberate with about a 95% level of confidence.
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Oh, I wasn't disputing that....just sharing my own experiences with SE Asian ship drivers in general....CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:08 amAZGrizFan wrote:
Having spent significant time in, on and around SE Asian ports and S.K ships, there is an ASTOUNDING lack of shiphandling, shipyard and general safety concerns. Those fuckers just do whatever they want, and come what may, I swear to god. I've watched SK Navy commanders sideswipe ships, snap lines, rip off scuppers, lifelines, etc., etc., on theirs and other ships, and just keeeeep moving. Unreal.There is some truth to that. When I lived in Vietnam, a buddy of mine there was a maritime insurance adjuster for Lloyd’s. He was a former tanker captain for BP and he was full of stories. I’ve witnessed some waterborne craziness there myself.AZGrizFan wrote:
Having spent significant time in, on and around SE Asian ports and S.K ships, there is an ASTOUNDING lack of shiphandling, shipyard and general safety concerns. Those fuckers just do whatever they want, and come what may, I swear to god. I've watched SK Navy commanders sideswipe ships, snap lines, rip off scuppers, lifelines, etc., etc., on theirs and other ships, and just keeeeep moving. Unreal.
However, I say this was deliberate for a couple reasons -
Chinese captains of the larger, newer ships which visit ports in fully developed countries are actually pretty highly qualified. They have to be in order to be bonded for operating in these port facilities. So I am certain that this particular captain was skilled, and in fact he managed to shut down a Taiwan dock facility with minimal damage to his own vessel.
China is harassing Taiwan literally on all fronts and this is just another facet of that. I say this was deliberate with about a 95% level of confidence.
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A 95% level of confidence.....how JSO of you!CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:08 amAZGrizFan wrote:
Having spent significant time in, on and around SE Asian ports and S.K ships, there is an ASTOUNDING lack of shiphandling, shipyard and general safety concerns. Those fuckers just do whatever they want, and come what may, I swear to god. I've watched SK Navy commanders sideswipe ships, snap lines, rip off scuppers, lifelines, etc., etc., on theirs and other ships, and just keeeeep moving. Unreal.There is some truth to that. When I lived in Vietnam, a buddy of mine there was a maritime insurance adjuster for Lloyd’s. He was a former tanker captain for BP and he was full of stories. I’ve witnessed some waterborne craziness there myself.AZGrizFan wrote:
Having spent significant time in, on and around SE Asian ports and S.K ships, there is an ASTOUNDING lack of shiphandling, shipyard and general safety concerns. Those fuckers just do whatever they want, and come what may, I swear to god. I've watched SK Navy commanders sideswipe ships, snap lines, rip off scuppers, lifelines, etc., etc., on theirs and other ships, and just keeeeep moving. Unreal.
However, I say this was deliberate for a couple reasons -
Chinese captains of the larger, newer ships which visit ports in fully developed countries are actually pretty highly qualified. They have to be in order to be bonded for operating in these port facilities. So I am certain that this particular captain was skilled, and in fact he managed to shut down a Taiwan dock facility with minimal damage to his own vessel.
China is harassing Taiwan literally on all fronts and this is just another facet of that. I say this was deliberate with about a 95% level of confidence.
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Ivy is full of piss and vinegar today.Ivytalk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:24 amA 95% level of confidence.....how JSO of you!CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:08 am
There is some truth to that. When I lived in Vietnam, a buddy of mine there was a maritime insurance adjuster for Lloyd’s. He was a former tanker captain for BP and he was full of stories. I’ve witnessed some waterborne craziness there myself.
However, I say this was deliberate for a couple reasons -
Chinese captains of the larger, newer ships which visit ports in fully developed countries are actually pretty highly qualified. They have to be in order to be bonded for operating in these port facilities. So I am certain that this particular captain was skilled, and in fact he managed to shut down a Taiwan dock facility with minimal damage to his own vessel.
China is harassing Taiwan literally on all fronts and this is just another facet of that. I say this was deliberate with about a 95% level of confidence.
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I like you to know precisely where I standIvytalk wrote:A 95% level of confidence.....how JSO of you!CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:08 am There is some truth to that. When I lived in Vietnam, a buddy of mine there was a maritime insurance adjuster for Lloyd’s. He was a former tanker captain for BP and he was full of stories. I’ve witnessed some waterborne craziness there myself.
However, I say this was deliberate for a couple reasons -
Chinese captains of the larger, newer ships which visit ports in fully developed countries are actually pretty highly qualified. They have to be in order to be bonded for operating in these port facilities. So I am certain that this particular captain was skilled, and in fact he managed to shut down a Taiwan dock facility with minimal damage to his own vessel.
China is harassing Taiwan literally on all fronts and this is just another facet of that. I say this was deliberate with about a 95% level of confidence.
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This was one of the worst weeks for China on the world stage in a while
In a time when the leaders of the richest country in the world are squabbling amongst themselves over whether or not to fund the building of roads and bridges, this bill is a heartening sight. The most important ways the US can counter China are by strengthening itself domestically and by preparing for the worst with its allies. If the giant prehistoric monster hasn't awakened, this week shows that it now at least has one eye open.
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Interesting article.UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:50 am This was one of the worst weeks for China on the world stage in a while
In a time when the leaders of the richest country in the world are squabbling amongst themselves over whether or not to fund the building of roads and bridges, this bill is a heartening sight. The most important ways the US can counter China are by strengthening itself domestically and by preparing for the worst with its allies. If the giant prehistoric monster hasn't awakened, this week shows that it now at least has one eye open.
The question that came to mind for me is if Trump had not taken the stance he did towards China, would Biden be saying/towing a similar line or would he been business as usual?
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IMO, if it weren't for Trump shining a light on the issues for people to see then Biden and his administration would have gone about business as usual and insiders would have continued to grow wealthy from Chinese investments/payoffs. That said, I'm not sure Trump was the right guy to continue carrying the banner forward for the reasons laid out in the opinion piece.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:51 pmInteresting article.UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:50 am This was one of the worst weeks for China on the world stage in a while
The question that came to mind for me is if Trump had not taken the stance he did towards China, would Biden be saying/towing a similar line or would he been business as usual?
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UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:10 pmIMO, if it weren't for Trump shining a light on the issues for people to see then Biden and his administration would have gone about business as usual and insiders would have continued to grow wealthy from Chinese investments/payoffs. That said, I'm not sure Trump was the right guy to carry the banner forward for the reasons laid out in the opinion piece.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:51 pm
Interesting article.
The question that came to mind for me is if Trump had not taken the stance he did towards China, would Biden be saying/towing a similar line or would he been business as usual?
That is my thoughts as well, at least to your first sentence.
As for the second, maybe, maybe not. He was too brash and wanted things done quickly so he could claim credit, also he used a very big stick in the EU when he should of used more of a carrot/little stick approach. But it was that same brashness, that shined the light on China for the masses and it was his narrative that stuck with people (better or worse). On the other hand it made him unpredictable and U.S. policy towards China has been very predictable for many decades. The U.S. has a tendency to move as slow as molasses and while that is a good thing when it comes to international diplomacy, in this area I think it was hurting us (at least at this point in the China game). IMHO, I think we could of handled another 4 years of Trump international diplomacy, but that is just an opinion of somebody who has spent some decent time in South Korea and talking to regulators both there and in the EU.
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I don't think 4 more years of Trump would have been the worst thing in the world. The constant attacks from the pseudo-progressive left would have been a distracting pain the azz but a divided Congress would have kept him from doing any real damage. I'm grateful for Manchin and Sinema for giving us some semblance of that with the present administration.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:25 pmThat is my thoughts as well, at least to your first sentence.UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:10 pm
IMO, if it weren't for Trump shining a light on the issues for people to see then Biden and his administration would have gone about business as usual and insiders would have continued to grow wealthy from Chinese investments/payoffs. That said, I'm not sure Trump was the right guy to carry the banner forward for the reasons laid out in the opinion piece.
As for the second, maybe, maybe not. He was too brash and wanted things done quickly so he could claim credit, also he used a very big stick in the EU when he should of used more of a carrot/little stick approach. But it was that same brashness, that shined the light on China for the masses and it was his narrative that stuck with people (better or worse). On the other hand it made him unpredictable and U.S. policy towards China has been very predictable for many decades. The U.S. has a tendency to move as slow as molasses and while that is a good thing when it comes to international diplomacy, in this area I think it was hurting us (at least at this point in the China game). IMHO, I think we could of handled another 4 years of Trump international diplomacy, but that is just an opinion of somebody who has spent some decent time in South Korea and talking to regulators both there and in the EU.
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Same.UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:33 pmI don't think 4 more years of Trump would have been the worst thing in the world. The constant attacks from the pseudo-progressive left would have been a distracting pain the azz but a divided Congress would have kept him from doing any real damage. I'm grateful for Manchin and Sinema for giving us some semblance of that with the present administration.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:25 pm
That is my thoughts as well, at least to your first sentence.
As for the second, maybe, maybe not. He was too brash and wanted things done quickly so he could claim credit, also he used a very big stick in the EU when he should of used more of a carrot/little stick approach. But it was that same brashness, that shined the light on China for the masses and it was his narrative that stuck with people (better or worse). On the other hand it made him unpredictable and U.S. policy towards China has been very predictable for many decades. The U.S. has a tendency to move as slow as molasses and while that is a good thing when it comes to international diplomacy, in this area I think it was hurting us (at least at this point in the China game). IMHO, I think we could of handled another 4 years of Trump international diplomacy, but that is just an opinion of somebody who has spent some decent time in South Korea and talking to regulators both there and in the EU.
Though sometimes I wonder if we wouldn't be better off letting the pendulum swing just so people get a taste of what they are wishing for. But then again, it is probably best if we don't.
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It’s been predictable alright. Predictably WRONG.Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:25 pmUNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:10 pm
IMO, if it weren't for Trump shining a light on the issues for people to see then Biden and his administration would have gone about business as usual and insiders would have continued to grow wealthy from Chinese investments/payoffs. That said, I'm not sure Trump was the right guy to carry the banner forward for the reasons laid out in the opinion piece.
That is my thoughts as well, at least to your first sentence.
As for the second, maybe, maybe not. He was too brash and wanted things done quickly so he could claim credit, also he used a very big stick in the EU when he should of used more of a carrot/little stick approach. But it was that same brashness, that shined the light on China for the masses and it was his narrative that stuck with people (better or worse). On the other hand it made him unpredictable and U.S. policy towards China has been very predictable for many decades. The U.S. has a tendency to move as slow as molasses and while that is a good thing when it comes to international diplomacy, in this area I think it was hurting us (at least at this point in the China game). IMHO, I think we could of handled another 4 years of Trump international diplomacy, but that is just an opinion of somebody who has spent some decent time in South Korea and talking to regulators both there and in the EU.
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