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kalm wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:17 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:47 pm What the hell are they waiting for? Blow that Chicom ballon over Montana out the sky.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... -rcna68879
Can we shoot down something 100,000 miles up?
The DoD said it's currently at 60,000 feet, but it is maneuverable. I don't think we should yet (see my prior post), but it can be shot down.

There's also another visible, high-altitude balloon over the Kansas City area that the NWS says isn't theirs. Discovered today.



edit: In 1985, we shot down a decommissioned satellite with an F-15 as a test. It was at an altitude of 385+ miles (2,035,704 feet).
I imagine we have significantly better capabilities almost 40 years later.
On 13 September 1985, Maj. Wilbert D. "Doug" Pearson, flying the "Celestial Eagle" F-15A 76-0084 launched an ASM-135 ASAT about 320 kilometres (200 mi) west of Vandenberg Air Force Base and destroyed the Solwind P78-1 satellite flying at an altitude of 555 kilometres (345 mi). Prior to the launch, the F-15 — flying at Mach 1.22 — executed a 3.8 g0 (37 m/s2) zoom climb at an angle of 65 degrees. The ASM-135 ASAT was automatically launched at 11,600 metres (38,100 ft) while the F-15 was flying at Mach 0.934 (992.2 km/h; 616.5 mph).[8] The 14 kilograms (30 lb) MHV collided with the 910 kilograms (2,000 lb) Solwind P78-1 satellite at closing velocity of 24,000 kilometres per hour (15,000 mph; 6.7 km/s).
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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:29 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:17 pm

Can we shoot down something 100,000 miles up?
The DoD said it's currently at 60,000 feet, but it is maneuverable. I don't think we should yet (see my prior post), but it can be shot down.

There's also another visible, high-altitude balloon over the Kansas City area that the NWS says isn't theirs. Discovered today.



edit: In 1985, we shot down a decommissioned satellite with an F-15 as a test. It was at an altitude of 385+ miles (2,035,704 feet).
I imagine we have significantly better capabilities almost 40 years later.
On 13 September 1985, Maj. Wilbert D. "Doug" Pearson, flying the "Celestial Eagle" F-15A 76-0084 launched an ASM-135 ASAT about 320 kilometres (200 mi) west of Vandenberg Air Force Base and destroyed the Solwind P78-1 satellite flying at an altitude of 555 kilometres (345 mi). Prior to the launch, the F-15 — flying at Mach 1.22 — executed a 3.8 g0 (37 m/s2) zoom climb at an angle of 65 degrees. The ASM-135 ASAT was automatically launched at 11,600 metres (38,100 ft) while the F-15 was flying at Mach 0.934 (992.2 km/h; 616.5 mph).[8] The 14 kilograms (30 lb) MHV collided with the 910 kilograms (2,000 lb) Solwind P78-1 satellite at closing velocity of 24,000 kilometres per hour (15,000 mph; 6.7 km/s).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT
Its the same balloon that was over Montana.
WASHINGTON — The Chinese spy balloon wreaking havoc over US airspace this week has moved on from Montana, but could continue lingering over the country “for days,” the Pentagon said Friday.

“While we won’t get into specifics in regards to the exact location, I can tell you that the balloon continues to move eastward and is currently over the center of the continental United States,” spokesman Air Force Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder told reporters.

Shortly after Ryder’s briefing, Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) confirmed the balloon had been spotted over northeastern Kansas. Other sightings were reported over northwestern Missouri, near the Kansas City area.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry on Friday claimed the object was a civilian weather instrument that had drifted off course and denied that it had any “intention of violating the territory and airspace of any sovereign country.”

However, Ryder described the balloon as “maneuverable,” noting that it “has changed its course
, which is again why we’re monitoring it.”...
Civilian weather instrument my ass. If `Biden wasn't so weak, he would have ordered it blown out of the sky. Does anyone doubt the Chicoms would do the same if we floated one over China?
https://nypost.com/2023/02/03/pentagon- ... y-balloon/
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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:00 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:47 pm What the hell are they waiting for? Blow that Chicom ballon over Montana out the sky.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... -rcna68879
What's the point? The military is already tracking it 24/7, they likely have a good idea of its capabilities, and I bet they have the ability to jam the equipment (if they haven't already). There's also the possibility it lands in the US/Canada and we capture it.

If it makes a run for China, we can shoot it down within territorial waters and risk no lives. If for whatever reason the situation is becoming dangerous, then by all means shoot it down.
Poke hole in it the right size to bring it down to a soft landing. :coffee:
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:53 pm
∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:29 pm

The DoD said it's currently at 60,000 feet, but it is maneuverable. I don't think we should yet (see my prior post), but it can be shot down.

There's also another visible, high-altitude balloon over the Kansas City area that the NWS says isn't theirs. Discovered today.



edit: In 1985, we shot down a decommissioned satellite with an F-15 as a test. It was at an altitude of 385+ miles (2,035,704 feet).
I imagine we have significantly better capabilities almost 40 years later.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT
Its the same balloon that was over Montana.
WASHINGTON — The Chinese spy balloon wreaking havoc over US airspace this week has moved on from Montana, but could continue lingering over the country “for days,” the Pentagon said Friday.

“While we won’t get into specifics in regards to the exact location, I can tell you that the balloon continues to move eastward and is currently over the center of the continental United States,” spokesman Air Force Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder told reporters.

Shortly after Ryder’s briefing, Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) confirmed the balloon had been spotted over northeastern Kansas. Other sightings were reported over northwestern Missouri, near the Kansas City area.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry on Friday claimed the object was a civilian weather instrument that had drifted off course and denied that it had any “intention of violating the territory and airspace of any sovereign country.”

However, Ryder described the balloon as “maneuverable,” noting that it “has changed its course
, which is again why we’re monitoring it.”...
Civilian weather instrument my ass. If `Biden wasn't so weak, he would have ordered it blown out of the sky. Does anyone doubt the Chicoms would do the same if we floated one over China?
https://nypost.com/2023/02/03/pentagon- ... y-balloon/
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...even you should be able to figure out that they're working on coming up with a plan to make a grab for it.... BDHFWT :ohno:
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houndawg wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:19 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:53 pm
Its the same balloon that was over Montana.



Civilian weather instrument my ass. If `Biden wasn't so weak, he would have ordered it blown out of the sky. Does anyone doubt the Chicoms would do the same if we floated one over China?
https://nypost.com/2023/02/03/pentagon- ... y-balloon/
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...even you should be able to figure out that they're working on coming up with a plan to make a grab for it.... BDHFWT :ohno:
Yeah Biden is working on a plan to ‘make a grab for it’ :dunce:
Meanwhile nothing to be concerned about. It's just cruising around the country on its intelligence mission reporting back every damn thing it sees. No need to shoot it down. :roll:
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So one theory I heard was this was a trial to see what the US would do. Apparently satellites are not fair targets, but if the US shot down the balloon, why couldn't China shoot down US satellites?

Just a theory, but one that fits with what is going on.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:44 pm So one theory I heard was this was a trial to see what the US would do. Apparently satellites are not fair targets, but if the US shot down the balloon, why couldn't China shoot down US satellites?

Just a theory, but one that fits with what is going on.
I mean you're definitely right. There's a mutual understanding that everyone is spying on everyone, so there's no real need to escalate things.
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houndawg wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:11 pm
∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:00 pm

What's the point? The military is already tracking it 24/7, they likely have a good idea of its capabilities, and I bet they have the ability to jam the equipment (if they haven't already). There's also the possibility it lands in the US/Canada and we capture it.

If it makes a run for China, we can shoot it down within territorial waters and risk no lives. If for whatever reason the situation is becoming dangerous, then by all means shoot it down.
Poke hole in it the right size to bring it down to a soft landing. :coffee:
I think you'd have to be extremely accurate about the hole dimension for a soft landing; stratospheric balloons at that altitude don't come down easy or they come down very easily, and not much in between. The air volume is about the size of a football stadium (maybe even bigger) and the pressurization is minimal between the inner and outer surface. Small holes wouldn't work.

The lack of pressure differential is why they can stay up there for years.

So you either go all out to take it down violently or be impossibly precise to get a soft landing.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:44 pm So one theory I heard was this was a trial to see what the US would do. Apparently satellites are not fair targets, but if the US shot down the balloon, why couldn't China shoot down US satellites?

Just a theory, but one that fits with what is going on.
Because a satellite is in outer space- according to the interweebs that’s 62 miles up/327,360 feet and more. That’s not in someone’s airspace. But at 60,000 feet over a country’s land that definitely is in someone’s airspace. An adversary’s spy aircraft that’s flying in our airspace should absolutely be shot down. Doing that would give zero justification for shooting down one of our satellites in outer space that’s not in anyone’s airspace.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:33 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:44 pm So one theory I heard was this was a trial to see what the US would do. Apparently satellites are not fair targets, but if the US shot down the balloon, why couldn't China shoot down US satellites?

Just a theory, but one that fits with what is going on.
I mean you're definitely right. There's a mutual understanding that everyone is spying on everyone, so there's no real need to escalate things.
See above post.

And ok, you say don’t ahoot down an adversary’s spy aircraft (which is Chicom govt/military) that’s flying over our mitary installations at 60k feet. How about 40k feet? How about 20k feet? Where do you draw the line to shoot it down?
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:06 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:44 pm So one theory I heard was this was a trial to see what the US would do. Apparently satellites are not fair targets, but if the US shot down the balloon, why couldn't China shoot down US satellites?

Just a theory, but one that fits with what is going on.
Because a satellite is in outer space- according to the interweebs that’s 62 miles up/327,360 feet and more. That’s not in someone’s airspace. But at 60,000 feet over a country’s land that definitely is in someone’s airspace. An adversary’s spy aircraft that’s flying in our airspace should absolutely be shot down. Doing that would give zero justification for shooting down one of our satellites in outer space that’s not in anyone’s airspace.
Sure, but I think the US has been very vague over the years as to what is actually "space" and rightfully so. Don't take a position until you need to.

Also, it only been one guy in all the stupid stories I've read today that I've heard this idea.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:10 pm
∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:33 pm

I mean you're definitely right. There's a mutual understanding that everyone is spying on everyone, so there's no real need to escalate things.
See above post.

And ok, you say don’t ahoot down an adversary’s spy aircraft (which is Chicom govt/military) that’s flying over our mitary installations at 60k feet. How about 40k feet? How about 20k feet? Where do you draw the line to shoot it down?
If it's not an immediate danger to people or infrastructure, I wouldn't shoot down an aircraft. It'd be intercepted and escorted; if it evades or deviates from the escort, then further decisions can be made.

As with most anything in life, a violent response should be a last resort. There's almost always a better solution.

I think the US military is nicely handling the balloon incident, and I imagine they're working with better info and expertise than we have.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:12 am
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:10 pm
See above post.

And ok, you say don’t ahoot down an adversary’s spy aircraft (which is Chicom govt/military) that’s flying over our mitary installations at 60k feet. How about 40k feet? How about 20k feet? Where do you draw the line to shoot it down?
If it's not an immediate danger to people or infrastructure, I wouldn't shoot down an aircraft. It'd be intercepted and escorted; if it evades or deviates from the escort, then further decisions can be made.

As with most anything in life, a violent response should be a last resort. There's almost always a better solution.

I think the US military is nicely handling the balloon incident, and I imagine they're working with better info and expertise than we have.
Reminds me of when one of our spy aircraft had to emergency land in China after an in-air collision with a PRC fighter. One of or negotiators on the ground is from nearby Medical Lake, WA plays golf at my course, and is a huge EWU fan.
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kalm wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:06 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:12 am

If it's not an immediate danger to people or infrastructure, I wouldn't shoot down an aircraft. It'd be intercepted and escorted; if it evades or deviates from the escort, then further decisions can be made.

As with most anything in life, a violent response should be a last resort. There's almost always a better solution.

I think the US military is nicely handling the balloon incident, and I imagine they're working with better info and expertise than we have.
Reminds me of when one of our spy aircraft had to emergency land in China after an in-air collision with a PRC fighter. One of or negotiators on the ground is from nearby Medical Lake, WA plays golf at my course, and is a huge EWU fan.
I remember that. All the US guys were destroying as much on the plane they could before landing so China couldn't get a good look at it.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:12 am
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:10 pm
See above post.

And ok, you say don’t ahoot down an adversary’s spy aircraft (which is Chicom govt/military) that’s flying over our mitary installations at 60k feet. How about 40k feet? How about 20k feet? Where do you draw the line to shoot it down?
If it's not an immediate danger to people or infrastructure, I wouldn't shoot down an aircraft. It'd be intercepted and escorted; if it evades or deviates from the escort, then further decisions can be made.

As with most anything in life, a violent response should be a last resort. There's almost always a better solution.

I think the US military is nicely handling the balloon incident, and I imagine they're working with better info and expertise than we have.
Yeah, let it cruise around the country on its intelligence mission for A FULL WEEK reporting back every damn thing it sees. :roll: The American public just heard about it for the last 2 days.
According to Bloomberg:
As it turns out, US authorities were well aware of the unidentified object that had entered American airspace on Jan. 28, that had then left and re-entered over North Idaho on Tuesday. But with such a high-profile trip at stake, keeping it on the down-low was key.

By the time the thing became visible in Montana, President Joe Biden had already been briefed and the White House was scrambling to decide whether to blast it from the sky.

The gravity of the situation was only exacerbated by Montana being home to Malmstrom Air Force Base, which houses a large portion of the US’s Minuteman intercontinental ballistic missiles.
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And shooting it down over water was too late- it would have already transmitted all its spy data.
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Rebekah Koffler, President of Doctrine & Strategy Consulting and a former DIA intelligence officer…

"I suppose there's value in not shooting it down, but I think the risk of the Chinese thinking that they could just breach our airspace without consequences, in my view, far outweighs whatever insight we can glean from that particular balloon that we don't know already from other sources," Koffler, who specializes in foreign aerospace threats, doctrines and operations, told Fox News Digital…..

"Satellites move, they don’t hover over a target," Koffler said. "We don’t know what kind of sensors are in this particular balloon, but there are various types of sensors" for what she called "measurement intelligence."

"It appears as though this particular spy balloon could be doing – and again, we don’t have that confirmed – but it could be collecting our signals intelligence . . . and it could be collecting our communications coming out of [military] targets and those facilities," she added, clarifying that it could be looking at communications volume to understand operational procedures of the U.S. military.

"With the Chinese increasing tensions and their force posture with regards to Taiwan, what they are concerned about is our response, so tracking any kind of spike in communications could indicate to them that we’re getting ready to do something."….

….."The battlefield right now . . . is not just ground, air and sea: It also includes cyberspace and aerospace domains, so [China] is watching our response times - not just response times but overall response," Koffler said. "The fact that we did not pre-empt that balloon from entering U.S. airspace is significant to them."….
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:21 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:06 pm

Because a satellite is in outer space- according to the interweebs that’s 62 miles up/327,360 feet and more. That’s not in someone’s airspace. But at 60,000 feet over a country’s land that definitely is in someone’s airspace. An adversary’s spy aircraft that’s flying in our airspace should absolutely be shot down. Doing that would give zero justification for shooting down one of our satellites in outer space that’s not in anyone’s airspace.
Sure, but I think the US has been very vague over the years as to what is actually "space" and rightfully so. Don't take a position until you need to.

Also, it only been one guy in all the stupid stories I've read today that I've heard this idea.
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This was another step in the path to war with China. :coffee:
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∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:43 pm
houndawg wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:11 pm

Poke hole in it the right size to bring it down to a soft landing. :coffee:
I think you'd have to be extremely accurate about the hole dimension for a soft landing; stratospheric balloons at that altitude don't come down easy or they come down very easily, and not much in between. The air volume is about the size of a football stadium (maybe even bigger) and the pressurization is minimal between the inner and outer surface. Small holes wouldn't work.

The lack of pressure differential is why they can stay up there for years.

So you either go all out to take it down violently or be impossibly precise to get a soft landing.
:thumb:

Next best is to bring it down over water instead of land - I bet the biggest parts are already on their way to the lab
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Mike Pompeo:

“This never would have happened under my watch. Shoot it down!”

DoD: “This happened 3 times during the previous administration”
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houndawg wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:09 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:43 pm

I think you'd have to be extremely accurate about the hole dimension for a soft landing; stratospheric balloons at that altitude don't come down easy or they come down very easily, and not much in between. The air volume is about the size of a football stadium (maybe even bigger) and the pressurization is minimal between the inner and outer surface. Small holes wouldn't work.

The lack of pressure differential is why they can stay up there for years.

So you either go all out to take it down violently or be impossibly precise to get a soft landing.
:thumb:

Next best is to bring it down over water instead of land - I bet the biggest parts are already on their way to the lab
Yup, shooting it down over territorial waters was the best scenario. It was identified and tracked before it entered the border, we likely warned military sites to hide things before it flew above them, we probably jammed the equipment or even intercepted data transmissions, we didn't risk lives or infrastructure shooting it over land, and now we can safely retrieve and study as much of it as possible.

But I'm sure we'll have our armchair generals tell us why NORAD, Air Force, and the DoD were wrong.

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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:33 am Mike Pompeo:

“This never would have happened under my watch. Shoot it down!”

DoD: “This happened 3 times during the previous administration”
That story makes no sense. It happened three times, but we had our thumbs up our ass and didn't do anything?

Sure seems like something the establishment would have used to show Trump was Xi's puppet.

If it did happen, was our DOD working for China at the time? I'd like to see a name associated with this DOD informant.
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Re: China

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:18 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:33 am Mike Pompeo:

“This never would have happened under my watch. Shoot it down!”

DoD: “This happened 3 times during the previous administration”
That story makes no sense. It happened three times, but we had our thumbs up our ass and didn't do anything?

Sure seems like something the establishment would have used to show Trump was Xi's puppet.

If it did happen, was our DOD working for China at the time? I'd like to see a name associated with this DOD informant.
See, you're acting stupid on purpose. Obviously they're probes to see if we have any new interesting technology they should be working on stealing. No way we're going to shoot it down with the space lasers and confirm that. :coffee:
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