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CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 11:15 pm China pervades a large number of active threads (which is appropriate, actually)

But I haven't found one dedicated to China's adverse influence on the free world. So I'll start with China's co-opting our tech sector through payments made to research professors to facilitate proprietary technology transfers.

It is good to see DOJ going after people aiding and abetting the CCP for cash:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/us/p ... china.html

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 11:15 pm China pervades a large number of active threads (which is appropriate, actually)

But I haven't found one dedicated to China's adverse influence on the free world. So I'll start with China's co-opting our tech sector through payments made to research professors to facilitate proprietary technology transfers.

It is good to see DOJ going after people aiding and abetting the CCP for cash:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/us/p ... china.html

...dang, CID, you'd deny a fella a chance to sell his work to the highest bidder?


I'm OK with going after the Chinese if thats what the DOJ is really doing and not just looking for some baksheesh. I think we should threaten closing the sea lanes to them if they don't change their thieving ways. They straightened up for a while after that wayward Tomahawk took out their embassy in Kosovo or whatever it was called back then..

CID1990 wrote:

houndawg wrote:
...dang, CID, you'd deny a fella a chance to sell his work to the highest bidder?


I'm OK with going after the Chinese if thats what the DOJ is really doing and not just looking for some baksheesh. I think we should threaten closing the sea lanes to them if they don't change their thieving ways. They straightened up for a while after that wayward Tomahawk took out their embassy in Kosovo or whatever it was called back then..

Our Navy, and our Navy’s predecessor (the Royal Navy) is dedicated to preserving the sea lanes. That is it’s purpose. We only deny the sea lanes of commerce to countries with which we are at war.

In that respect, we should guarantee free right of navigation to China just as we do all other countries.

But they have to play nicely, and they don’t.

100% of China’s naval buildup is geared solely towards two things:

Killing American aircraft carriers, and denying free navigation to commercial traffic as they see fit. Every single thing they are doing - from building carriers without effective global range, to quiet diesel submarines... is completely dedicated to denying commerce to competitors. Their advances in hypersonic missile tech is meant to deny US the ability to keep them from doing that.

I’ll save what they are doing n the foreign relations and economic fronts for other posts.

Everyone should be alarmed by China. And a united front against them by the free world is all that is necessary to contain them. They can have all the Cambodias and Bangladeshes and Mozambiques they want. But we need to get the Germanys and the Swedens AND the Russias on our side.

(Yes, the Russians... they are the most important part)

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:32 am

houndawg wrote:

...dang, CID, you'd deny a fella a chance to sell his work to the highest bidder?


I'm OK with going after the Chinese if thats what the DOJ is really doing and not just looking for some baksheesh. I think we should threaten closing the sea lanes to them if they don't change their thieving ways. They straightened up for a while after that wayward Tomahawk took out their embassy in Kosovo or whatever it was called back then..

Our Navy, and our Navy’s predecessor (the Royal Navy) is dedicated to preserving the sea lanes. That is it’s purpose. We only deny the sea lanes of commerce to countries with which we are at war.

In that respect, we should guarantee free right of navigation to China just as we do all other countries.

But they have to play nicely, and they don’t.

100% of China’s naval buildup is geared solely towards two things:

Killing American aircraft carriers, and denying free navigation to commercial traffic as they see fit. Every single thing they are doing - from building carriers without effective global range, to quiet diesel submarines... is completely dedicated to denying commerce to competitors. Their advances in hypersonic missile tech is meant to deny US the ability to keep them from doing that.

I’ll save what they are doing n the foreign relations and economic fronts for other posts.

Everyone should be alarmed by China. And a united front against them by the free world is all that is necessary to contain them. They can have all the Cambodias and Bangladeshes and Mozambiques they want. But we need to get the Germanys and the Swedens AND the Russias on our side.

(Yes, the Russians... they are the most important part)

houndawg wrote:

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:32 am Our Navy, and our Navy’s predecessor (the Royal Navy) is dedicated to preserving the sea lanes. That is it’s purpose. We only deny the sea lanes of commerce to countries with which we are at war.

In that respect, we should guarantee free right of navigation to China just as we do all other countries.

But they have to play nicely, and they don’t.

100% of China’s naval buildup is geared solely towards two things:

Killing American aircraft carriers, and denying free navigation to commercial traffic as they see fit. Every single thing they are doing - from building carriers without effective global range, to quiet diesel submarines... is completely dedicated to denying commerce to competitors. Their advances in hypersonic missile tech is meant to deny US the ability to keep them from doing that.

I’ll save what they are doing n the foreign relations and economic fronts for other posts.

Everyone should be alarmed by China. And a united front against them by the free world is all that is necessary to contain them. They can have all the Cambodias and Bangladeshes and Mozambiques they want. But we need to get the Germanys and the Swedens AND the Russias on our side.

(Yes, the Russians... they are the most important part)

If we're going to exist in a state of war with rhese people, albeit only economically, it seems like we might as well go ahead and make it formal, because if the fight is only conducted economically I don't like our chances. I'm not talking about a land war in Asia or using aircraft carriers which about obsolete anyway - just take out their subs. Their subs go out, they don't come back. If they persist, start using their freighters to get new coral reefs established.

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 am

houndawg wrote:
If we're going to exist in a state of war with rhese people, albeit only economically, it seems like we might as well go ahead and make it formal, because if the fight is only conducted economically I don't like our chances. I'm not talking about a land war in Asia or using aircraft carriers which about obsolete anyway - just take out their subs. Their subs go out, they don't come back. If they persist, start using their freighters to get new coral reefs established.

There’s a lot to unpack there

And it’s almost Trumpian

But we don’t just kill their subs.... 70% of their underwater navy is super quiet diesel subs. Cheap, Kilo class bastards from Russia, and now their own homegrown stuff, built off of copied Russian tech, and stolen tech, and stuff the Clintons legitimately transferred time them

Economics is how China got where it is... because we allowed them into global markets as a strategy for moderating the CCP

That strategy was a dismal failure

BUT China is dependent on the free world to buy their cheap plastic shit at WalMart

Galvanize the colloque... Us, UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Kiwis, and Scandinavia and China chokes on its OWN debt instead of us choking on our own that they hold the scrip for

Let China sell their snake oil and loan sharking services to Africa and Central Asia

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 am

houndawg wrote:
If we're going to exist in a state of war with rhese people, albeit only economically, it seems like we might as well go ahead and make it formal, because if the fight is only conducted economically I don't like our chances. I'm not talking about a land war in Asia or using aircraft carriers which about obsolete anyway - just take out their subs. Their subs go out, they don't come back. If they persist, start using their freighters to get new coral reefs established.

There’s a lot to unpack there

And it’s almost Trumpian

But we don’t just kill their subs.... 70% of their underwater navy is super quiet diesel subs. Cheap, Kilo class bastards from Russia, and now their own homegrown stuff, built off of copied Russian tech, and stolen tech, and stuff the Clintons legitimately transferred time them

Economics is how China got where it is... because we allowed them into global markets as a strategy for moderating the CCP

That strategy was a dismal failure

BUT China is dependent on the free world to buy their cheap plastic shit at WalMart

Galvanize the colloque... Us, UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Kiwis, and Scandinavia and China chokes on its OWN debt instead of us choking on our own that they hold the scrip for

Let China sell their snake oil and loan sharking services to Africa and Central Asia

Ivytalk wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:15 am

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 am

There’s a lot to unpack there

And it’s almost Trumpian

But we don’t just kill their subs.... 70% of their underwater navy is super quiet diesel subs. Cheap, Kilo class bastards from Russia, and now their own homegrown stuff, built off of copied Russian tech, and stolen tech, and stuff the Clintons legitimately transferred time them

Economics is how China got where it is... because we allowed them into global markets as a strategy for moderating the CCP

That strategy was a dismal failure

BUT China is dependent on the free world to buy their cheap plastic shit at WalMart

Galvanize the colloque... Us, UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Kiwis, and Scandinavia and China chokes on its OWN debt instead of us choking on our own that they hold the scrip for

Let China sell their snake oil and loan sharking services to Africa and Central Asia

Higher education is one of the few areas in which the US retains global leadership. I would pass a law barring all PRC students from attending American universities and prohibiting those universities from taking any Red Chinese money, directly or indirectly.

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:19 am

Ivytalk wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:15 am

Higher education is one of the few areas in which the US retains global leadership. I would pass a law barring all PRC students from attending American universities and prohibiting those universities from taking any Red Chinese money, directly or indirectly.

That won't last, you'll be sending your grandkids to Europe for college

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:19 am

Ivytalk wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:15 am

Higher education is one of the few areas in which the US retains global leadership. I would pass a law barring all PRC students from attending American universities and prohibiting those universities from taking any Red Chinese money, directly or indirectly.

That won't last, you'll be sending your grandkids to Europe for college

Ivytalk wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:26 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:19 am

That won't last, you'll be sending your grandkids to Europe for college

Nope. The flagship/A-list schools to which the Reds covet access will all survive this mess.

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:32 am

houndawg wrote:

...dang, CID, you'd deny a fella a chance to sell his work to the highest bidder?


I'm OK with going after the Chinese if thats what the DOJ is really doing and not just looking for some baksheesh. I think we should threaten closing the sea lanes to them if they don't change their thieving ways. They straightened up for a while after that wayward Tomahawk took out their embassy in Kosovo or whatever it was called back then..

Our Navy, and our Navy’s predecessor (the Royal Navy) is dedicated to preserving the sea lanes. That is it’s purpose. We only deny the sea lanes of commerce to countries with which we are at war.

In that respect, we should guarantee free right of navigation to China just as we do all other countries.

But they have to play nicely, and they don’t.

100% of China’s naval buildup is geared solely towards two things:

Killing American aircraft carriers, and denying free navigation to commercial traffic as they see fit. Every single thing they are doing - from building carriers without effective global range, to quiet diesel submarines... is completely dedicated to denying commerce to competitors. Their advances in hypersonic missile tech is meant to deny US the ability to keep them from doing that.

I’ll save what they are doing n the foreign relations and economic fronts for other posts.

Everyone should be alarmed by China. And a united front against them by the free world is all that is necessary to contain them. They can have all the Cambodias and Bangladeshes and Mozambiques they want. But we need to get the Germanys and the Swedens AND the Russias on our side.

(Yes, the Russians... they are the most important part)

GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:21 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:19 am

That won't last, you'll be sending your grandkids to Europe for college

Europe??? Really? Have you seen the state of affairs of higher education in Europe? I think you need to get out of Carbondale more often, universities in Europe are not exactly on solid footing, outside of the handful of Oxford-type universities.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:42 am

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:32 am

Our Navy, and our Navy’s predecessor (the Royal Navy) is dedicated to preserving the sea lanes. That is it’s purpose. We only deny the sea lanes of commerce to countries with which we are at war.

In that respect, we should guarantee free right of navigation to China just as we do all other countries.

But they have to play nicely, and they don’t.

100% of China’s naval buildup is geared solely towards two things:

Killing American aircraft carriers, and denying free navigation to commercial traffic as they see fit. Every single thing they are doing - from building carriers without effective global range, to quiet diesel submarines... is completely dedicated to denying commerce to competitors. Their advances in hypersonic missile tech is meant to deny US the ability to keep them from doing that.

I’ll save what they are doing n the foreign relations and economic fronts for other posts.

Everyone should be alarmed by China. And a united front against them by the free world is all that is necessary to contain them. They can have all the Cambodias and Bangladeshes and Mozambiques they want. But we need to get the Germanys and the Swedens AND the Russias on our side.

(Yes, the Russians... they are the most important part)

You left out the best part: building new/fake islands (usually with a large military presence) to extend their claims to disputed waters.

houndawg wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:42 am You left out the best part: building new/fake islands (usually with a large military presence) to extend their claims to disputed waters.

There is supposed to be a shitload of oil under those disputed waters, that was a big reason we went into Vietnam.

Cap'n Cat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:39 pm You know, guys, they're really gonna be pissed when they pull up this board and check out your sh*t. And, don't think informer Ralph doesn't know where some of you clowns live and won't tell them of your anti-Chinese activities and where your little darlings go to school.


"Ah, yes, Komrade AZGreezFan. Live on 2518 Heather Ridge Avenoo, Cave Creek Areezona. Known to drink Bud Right Rime and ruvs Ronard Reagan. He FIRST to go!"

Cap'n Cat wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:22 pm They're coming. Look busy cuz they mean business.

Ivytalk wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:15 am

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 am

There’s a lot to unpack there

And it’s almost Trumpian

But we don’t just kill their subs.... 70% of their underwater navy is super quiet diesel subs. Cheap, Kilo class bastards from Russia, and now their own homegrown stuff, built off of copied Russian tech, and stolen tech, and stuff the Clintons legitimately transferred time them

Economics is how China got where it is... because we allowed them into global markets as a strategy for moderating the CCP

That strategy was a dismal failure

BUT China is dependent on the free world to buy their cheap plastic shit at WalMart

Galvanize the colloque... Us, UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Kiwis, and Scandinavia and China chokes on its OWN debt instead of us choking on our own that they hold the scrip for

Let China sell their snake oil and loan sharking services to Africa and Central Asia

Higher education is one of the few areas in which the US retains global leadership. I would pass a law barring all PRC students from attending American universities and prohibiting those universities from taking any Red Chinese money, directly or indirectly.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:42 am

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:32 am

Our Navy, and our Navy’s predecessor (the Royal Navy) is dedicated to preserving the sea lanes. That is it’s purpose. We only deny the sea lanes of commerce to countries with which we are at war.

In that respect, we should guarantee free right of navigation to China just as we do all other countries.

But they have to play nicely, and they don’t.

100% of China’s naval buildup is geared solely towards two things:

Killing American aircraft carriers, and denying free navigation to commercial traffic as they see fit. Every single thing they are doing - from building carriers without effective global range, to quiet diesel submarines... is completely dedicated to denying commerce to competitors. Their advances in hypersonic missile tech is meant to deny US the ability to keep them from doing that.

I’ll save what they are doing n the foreign relations and economic fronts for other posts.

Everyone should be alarmed by China. And a united front against them by the free world is all that is necessary to contain them. They can have all the Cambodias and Bangladeshes and Mozambiques they want. But we need to get the Germanys and the Swedens AND the Russias on our side.

(Yes, the Russians... they are the most important part)

You left out the best part: building new/fake islands (usually with a large military presence) to extend their claims to disputed waters.

CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 3:07 pm

Ivytalk wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:15 am

Higher education is one of the few areas in which the US retains global leadership. I would pass a law barring all PRC students from attending American universities and prohibiting those universities from taking any Red Chinese money, directly or indirectly.

You are clearly a racist.

CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 3:07 pm

Ivytalk wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:15 am

Higher education is one of the few areas in which the US retains global leadership. I would pass a law barring all PRC students from attending American universities and prohibiting those universities from taking any Red Chinese money, directly or indirectly.

You are clearly a racist.

∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 3:55 pm

CitadelGrad wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 3:07 pm

You are clearly a racist.

Yeah, I'm not about denying anyone a good education just because we don't like their government...especially young people who have no influence on anything. If anything, I rather expose them to America and if they like it, give them an option to stay.

Ultimately, American companies are agreeing to do business and give away their trade secrets to the Chinese. Young people trying to better themselves should not be political pawns for issues grown-ass adults are causing.

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:14 am

CID1990 wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 am

There’s a lot to unpack there

And it’s almost Trumpian

But we don’t just kill their subs.... 70% of their underwater navy is super quiet diesel subs. Cheap, Kilo class bastards from Russia, and now their own homegrown stuff, built off of copied Russian tech, and stolen tech, and stuff the Clintons legitimately transferred time them

Economics is how China got where it is... because we allowed them into global markets as a strategy for moderating the CCP

That strategy was a dismal failure

BUT China is dependent on the free world to buy their cheap plastic shit at WalMart

Galvanize the colloque... Us, UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Kiwis, and Scandinavia and China chokes on its OWN debt instead of us choking on our own that they hold the scrip for

Let China sell their snake oil and loan sharking services to Africa and Central Asia

Sounds like the fight is already over