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Do you also refuse to shop in places that require shoes and shirts?ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:51 pm I will never wear a mask for any reason other than chemical Warfare and Halloween.
I won't shop in places that force me to wear one and I won't shop there after they change back to no masks.
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Why?
Because people are thinking for themselves without being told to. A thinking population is a good one, what that choice is to me immaterial. My post in the COVID thread touched on it a bit, but to me it shows people are making the choice on their own and I find that freedom to be much more encouraging then the fact that the dissenters are not wearing masks. Peoples ideas and thoughts have changed (just look at the sentiment now vs when it started in the threads on this board) and those that need to are wearing a mask by their choice.
Only ones that don't let you carry a firearm. Fuck those third world losersVidav wrote:Do you also refuse to shop in places that require shoes and shirts?ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:51 pm I will never wear a mask for any reason other than chemical Warfare and Halloween.
I won't shop in places that force me to wear one and I won't shop there after they change back to no masks.
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I agree with much of what you’ve said. My point is that not enough people voluntarily wear a mask. If they did, government wouldn’t have to interfere. We are a low and biased information and selfish culture and many will pay the price for that through future lost freedoms or their lives.Winterborn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:50 amBecause people are thinking for themselves without being told to. A thinking population is a good one, what that choice is to me immaterial. My post in the COVID thread touched on it a bit, but to me it shows people are making the choice on their own and I find that freedom to be much more encouraging then the fact that the dissenters are not wearing masks. Peoples ideas and thoughts have changed (just look at the sentiment now vs when it started in the threads on this board) and those that need to are wearing a mask by their choice.
I would rather have the freedom to choose for myself (and suffer those consequences) then to be told what to do. And as for the effect on others, if I am around those that are at high risk, I will put one one. But it is out of respect for them and not because I was told to do it. If they don't ask, I will make that choice myself.
Freedom always has a cost. And I would rather error on the side of more freedom with a higher death count then the alternative. Anecdotal evidence but just about every person that I have talked to from age 50 to 90 (about 20 or so individuals from all walks of life) feels similar. I will concede that I may be confirming my own bias or maybe the area/people I interact with are different then other parts of the country. Laws once enacted don't go away and power/authority taken just doesn't disappear but builds up overtime.
Anyway that is just my opinion on the whole matter. I tend to take a very long view on things and sometimes that can cloud my outlook.
I disagree on the governments not interfering portion because if there is one thing that governments excel at, it is interfering. But that is a different discussion.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:17 amI agree with much of what you’ve said. My point is that not enough people voluntarily wear a mask. If they did, government wouldn’t have to interfere. We are a low and biased information and selfish culture and many will pay the price for that through future lost freedoms or their lives.Winterborn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:50 am
Because people are thinking for themselves without being told to. A thinking population is a good one, what that choice is to me immaterial. My post in the COVID thread touched on it a bit, but to me it shows people are making the choice on their own and I find that freedom to be much more encouraging then the fact that the dissenters are not wearing masks. Peoples ideas and thoughts have changed (just look at the sentiment now vs when it started in the threads on this board) and those that need to are wearing a mask by their choice.
I would rather have the freedom to choose for myself (and suffer those consequences) then to be told what to do. And as for the effect on others, if I am around those that are at high risk, I will put one one. But it is out of respect for them and not because I was told to do it. If they don't ask, I will make that choice myself.
Freedom always has a cost. And I would rather error on the side of more freedom with a higher death count then the alternative. Anecdotal evidence but just about every person that I have talked to from age 50 to 90 (about 20 or so individuals from all walks of life) feels similar. I will concede that I may be confirming my own bias or maybe the area/people I interact with are different then other parts of the country. Laws once enacted don't go away and power/authority taken just doesn't disappear but builds up overtime.
Anyway that is just my opinion on the whole matter. I tend to take a very long view on things and sometimes that can cloud my outlook.
Winterborn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:50 amBecause people are thinking for themselves without being told to. A thinking population is a good one, what that choice is to me immaterial. My post in the COVID thread touched on it a bit, but to me it shows people are making the choice on their own and I find that freedom to be much more encouraging then the fact that the dissenters are not wearing masks. Peoples ideas and thoughts have changed (just look at the sentiment now vs when it started in the threads on this board) and those that need to are wearing a mask by their choice.
I would rather have the freedom to choose for myself (and suffer those consequences) then to be told what to do. And as for the effect on others, if I am around those that are at high risk, I will put one one. But it is out of respect for them and not because I was told to do it. If they don't ask, I will make that choice myself.
Freedom always has a cost. And I would rather error on the side of more freedom with a higher death count then the alternative. Anecdotal evidence but just about every person that I have talked to from age 50 to 90 (about 20 or so individuals from all walks of life) feels similar. I will concede that I may be confirming my own bias or maybe the area/people I interact with are different then other parts of the country. Laws once enacted don't go away and power/authority taken just doesn't disappear but builds up overtime.
Anyway that is just my opinion on the whole matter. I tend to take a very long view on things and sometimes that can cloud my outlook.
I would guess that the numbers would be different if you did a new poll starting today. I wear a mask in stores and other public locations now and I wasn't then.Is it ok for the government to interfere to save lives? How does that apply to abortion?kalm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:17 amI agree with much of what you’ve said. My point is that not enough people voluntarily wear a mask. If they did, government wouldn’t have to interfere. We are a low and biased information and selfish culture and many will pay the price for that through future lost freedoms or their lives.Winterborn wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:50 am
Because people are thinking for themselves without being told to. A thinking population is a good one, what that choice is to me immaterial. My post in the COVID thread touched on it a bit, but to me it shows people are making the choice on their own and I find that freedom to be much more encouraging then the fact that the dissenters are not wearing masks. Peoples ideas and thoughts have changed (just look at the sentiment now vs when it started in the threads on this board) and those that need to are wearing a mask by their choice.
I would rather have the freedom to choose for myself (and suffer those consequences) then to be told what to do. And as for the effect on others, if I am around those that are at high risk, I will put one one. But it is out of respect for them and not because I was told to do it. If they don't ask, I will make that choice myself.
Freedom always has a cost. And I would rather error on the side of more freedom with a higher death count then the alternative. Anecdotal evidence but just about every person that I have talked to from age 50 to 90 (about 20 or so individuals from all walks of life) feels similar. I will concede that I may be confirming my own bias or maybe the area/people I interact with are different then other parts of the country. Laws once enacted don't go away and power/authority taken just doesn't disappear but builds up overtime.
Anyway that is just my opinion on the whole matter. I tend to take a very long view on things and sometimes that can cloud my outlook.
Allowing abortions saves lives - keeps the women from dying in back-alley or do-it at home abortions!UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:37 amIs it ok for the government to interfere to save lives? How does that apply to abortion?kalm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:17 am
I agree with much of what you’ve said. My point is that not enough people voluntarily wear a mask. If they did, government wouldn’t have to interfere. We are a low and biased information and selfish culture and many will pay the price for that through future lost freedoms or their lives.
It also kills the baby every time. You can say it's not a life yet but others disagree.
Abortion never kills a baby. 66% of abortions are done BEFORE 8 weeks, when it is a bundle of cells.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:41 amIt also kills the baby every time. You can say it's not a life yet but others disagree.
I have conflicted feelings about abortion but I think there are parallels between masks and abortion when discussing government interference in personal choices to save lives.
That is your opinion not a fact.dbackjon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:58 amAbortion never kills a baby. 66% of abortions are done BEFORE 8 weeks, when it is a bundle of cells.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:41 am It also kills the baby every time. You can say it's not a life yet but others disagree.
I have conflicted feelings about abortion but I think there are parallels between masks and abortion when discussing government interference in personal choices to save lives.
Pregnancy is not communicable.
You are channelling Z
Why are you anti-science? Science says it's a human life, just at its earliest stages. At least admit that.dbackjon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:58 amAbortion never kills a baby. 66% of abortions are done BEFORE 8 weeks, when it is a bundle of cells.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:41 am
It also kills the baby every time. You can say it's not a life yet but others disagree.
I have conflicted feelings about abortion but I think there are parallels between masks and abortion when discussing government interference in personal choices to save lives.
Pregnancy is not communicable.
You are channelling Z
Biggest snowflake around. "omg they want me to wear a mask1!!!!!!!1311!#@!!!!" You are such a pussy.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:59 amOnly ones that don't let you carry a firearm. Fuck those third world losersVidav wrote:
Do you also refuse to shop in places that require shoes and shirts?
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I’m just glad my shower drain can’t get pregnant.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:05 pmThat is your opinion not a fact.
The fetus is a developing life.
Sometime in the next 100 years science we will advance to the point where that "bundle of cells" will be viable. At that point, people may look back on pro-choice advocates as deplorables similar to how you view confederates.
Those cunts should have thought about that before fucking the football team.
CoolVidav wrote:Biggest snowflake around. "omg they want me to wear a mask1!!!!!!!1311!#@!!!!" You are such a pussy.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:59 am Only ones that don't let you carry a firearm. Fuck those third world losers
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There you go blaming the drain. Typical male chauvinist blaming his sperm depository.kalm wrote:I’m just glad my shower drain can’t get pregnant.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:05 pm That is your opinion not a fact.
The fetus is a developing life.
Sometime in the next 100 years science we will advance to the point where that "bundle of cells" will be viable. At that point, people may look back on pro-choice advocates as deplorables similar to how you view confederates.
Perhaps - and maybe I read too much sci fi - but I find the (liberal) world more likely shifting into designer babies and eugenics than the other way around. The only reason eugenics fell out of favor is the Nazi abuse of the technology, but even now the discussions are beginning to creep up again. For an extra cost we already allow people to choose the sex of their children through IVF, so the next logical step is giving people more choice in the matter. As humans, perfection is never something we've chased very well, but we chase it nonetheless.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:05 pmThat is your opinion not a fact.
The fetus is a developing life.
Sometime in the next 100 years science we will advance to the point where that "bundle of cells" will be viable. At that point, people may look back on pro-choice advocates as deplorables similar to how you view confederates.
The other 44% isn’t life then?dbackjon wrote:Abortion never kills a baby. 66% of abortions are done BEFORE 8 weeks, when it is a bundle of cells.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:41 am It also kills the baby every time. You can say it's not a life yet but others disagree.
I have conflicted feelings about abortion but I think there are parallels between masks and abortion when discussing government interference in personal choices to save lives.
Pregnancy is not communicable.
You are channelling Z
*34%Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:55 amThe other 44% isn’t life then?dbackjon wrote:
Abortion never kills a baby. 66% of abortions are done BEFORE 8 weeks, when it is a bundle of cells.
Pregnancy is not communicable.
You are channelling Z
It’s a life. Plain and simple.
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Just before the Eugenics Wars then.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:45 amPerhaps - and maybe I read too much sci fi - but I find the (liberal) world more likely shifting into designer babies and eugenics than the other way around. The only reason eugenics fell out of favor is the Nazi abuse of the technology, but even now the discussions are beginning to creep up again. For an extra cost we already allow people to choose the sex of their children through IVF, so the next logical step is giving people more choice in the matter. As humans, perfection is never something we've chased very well, but we chase it nonetheless.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:05 pm
That is your opinion not a fact.
The fetus is a developing life.
Sometime in the next 100 years science we will advance to the point where that "bundle of cells" will be viable. At that point, people may look back on pro-choice advocates as deplorables similar to how you view confederates.
In a hundred years, I could easily imagine an ad projected on your holosquare:
"THINKING OF A NEW CHILD? COME TO 'DR. TRIP DESIGNER BABIES' FOR A FREE CONSULTATION! AND IF YOUR FETUS DOESN'T SHOW THE FEATURES YOU WANTED, WE'LL REFUND YOUR MONEY AND THE ABORTION IS ON US, FREE OF CHARGE! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE?"