Are you only referring to Trump or others when talking about known liars? Because there are more people than just Trump on the record saying it didn't happen. That's why I asked the question.Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:46 amLet's look at the situation as a whole. I'm not going to easily believe someone that is a known liar. That's why in a post above I said I wish we knew who the source was. Let's look at the credibility of the people and confirm. I know journalists have a bias, as we all do, however a LOT of rigor and confirmation goes into stories like these before they get published. I'm more likely to believe that than a known liar telling me it's false. Are stories ever wrong? Sure - and they get retracted when they aren't held up to scrutiny.
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Are there people publicly confirming that he called soliders suckers and losers? I could have missed it. I saw something about Woodward confirming that he called the generals losers but not the common solider. Is that it?
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In this case it's Trump.HI54UNI wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:33 amAre you only referring to Trump or others when talking about known liars? Because there are more people than just Trump on the record saying it didn't happen. That's why I asked the question.Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:46 am
Let's look at the situation as a whole. I'm not going to easily believe someone that is a known liar. That's why in a post above I said I wish we knew who the source was. Let's look at the credibility of the people and confirm. I know journalists have a bias, as we all do, however a LOT of rigor and confirmation goes into stories like these before they get published. I'm more likely to believe that than a known liar telling me it's false. Are stories ever wrong? Sure - and they get retracted when they aren't held up to scrutiny.
I haven't kept up with the story but has anyone other than Bolton, anyone that was there or part of the story denied it?
And should we really believe Bolton? I thought he was a turncoat, Never-Trumper.
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Bolton is a great microcosm of our current political divide - people either love him and quote him or they hate him and deride him depending on whether what he says meshes with their entrenched political views or not. And since he's said things that cater to both sides at one point or the other, you have the same folks lauding him and the next day despising him depending on the situation. Taken from the left, they hated Bolton for like a decade, he says crap about Trump and they love him, and then he seems to exonerate Trump and he's now unbelievable. Take that from the right, and it's exactly the opposite. And of course all of it tinged with some unsavory feeling since everyone, regardless of the side of the article, feel like something is just "off" with Bolton.
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Saying it's believable is different than saying that it is true.
Those people had already convicted Kavanaugh. I'm not saying that Trump is guilty but that based on his past comments (about McCain, etc.) and history of lying it is believable that he would say something like that and then deny it.
You would have to be crazy or blindly partisan to completely dismiss the possibility. Are you crazy or blindly partisan?
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No, but IMO you're treading awfully close to 'believable therefore true'. When you use a phrase like "I don't know for sure that this is true but..." to me that means you think it IS true.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:29 am Saying it's believable is different than saying that it is true.
Those people had already convicted Kavanaugh. I'm not saying that Trump is guilty but that based on his past comments (about McCain, etc.) and history of lying it is believable that he would say something like that and then deny it.
You would have to be crazy or blindly partisan to completely dismiss the possibility. Are you crazy or blindly partisan?
Totally believable. The woman's story about Kavanaugh is believable and possible.
It's completely believable that Biden used his power to get his son money from Ukraine.
It's completely believable that Kamala slept her way to the top.
It's completely believable that 1980's NDSU teams might have beaten some of the top I-AA's of the time.
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We're dealing with opinions here. I'm not sure if Trump actually said that but I do think it is possible. IMO, Kavanaugh was the victim of a witch hunt. I believe it completely possible that Biden leveraged his power for his son's benefit. I don't care if Kamala slept her way to the top so that is irrelevant to me except when Uumpa Truumpas are calling her a whore. Trump is an immoral whore.89Hen wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:51 amNo, but IMO you're treading awfully close to 'believable therefore true'. When you use a phrase like "I don't know for sure that this is true but..." to me that means you think it IS true.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:29 am Saying it's believable is different than saying that it is true.
Those people had already convicted Kavanaugh. I'm not saying that Trump is guilty but that based on his past comments (about McCain, etc.) and history of lying it is believable that he would say something like that and then deny it.
You would have to be crazy or blindly partisan to completely dismiss the possibility. Are you crazy or blindly partisan?
Totally believable. The woman's story about Kavanaugh is believable and possible.
It's completely believable that Biden used his power to get his son money from Ukraine.
It's completely believable that Kamala slept her way to the top.
It's completely believable that 1980's NDSU teams might have beaten some of the top I-AA's of the time.
I love the yin and yang of the bizumb faithful claims that 1) they came into FCS naked, broke and starving and built a juggernaut from the ground up and everyone can do what they did and 2) they would have won more FCS championships if they had been eligible during the transition/ their 80's teams would have won multiple FCS championships if they had played at that level. They want to be both the underdog and the undefeatable conquering hero.
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Or that since the CAA and UD are down the whole subdivision must be.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:20 amWe're dealing with opinions here. I'm not sure if Trump actually said that but I do think it is possible. IMO, Kavanaugh was the victim of a witch hunt. I believe it completely possible that Biden leveraged his power for his son's benefit. I don't care if Kamala slept her way to the top so that is irrelevant to me except when Uumpa Truumpas are calling her a whore. Trump is an immoral whore.89Hen wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:51 am
No, but IMO you're treading awfully close to 'believable therefore true'. When you use a phrase like "I don't know for sure that this is true but..." to me that means you think it IS true.
Totally believable. The woman's story about Kavanaugh is believable and possible.
It's completely believable that Biden used his power to get his son money from Ukraine.
It's completely believable that Kamala slept her way to the top.
It's completely believable that 1980's NDSU teams might have beaten some of the top I-AA's of the time.
I love the yin and yang of the bizumb faithful claims that 1) they came into FCS naked, broke and starving and built a juggernaut from the ground up and everyone can do what they did and 2) they would have won more FCS championships if they had been eligible during the transition/ their 80's teams would have won multiple FCS championships if they had played at that level. They want to be both the underdog and the undefeatable conquering hero.
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UD fans are to FCS what Eeyore is to the Hundred Acre Wood.kalm wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:33 amOr that since the CAA and UD are down the whole subdivision must be.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:20 am
We're dealing with opinions here. I'm not sure if Trump actually said that but I do think it is possible. IMO, Kavanaugh was the victim of a witch hunt. I believe it completely possible that Biden leveraged his power for his son's benefit. I don't care if Kamala slept her way to the top so that is irrelevant to me except when Uumpa Truumpas are calling her a whore. Trump is an immoral whore.
I love the yin and yang of the bizumb faithful claims that 1) they came into FCS naked, broke and starving and built a juggernaut from the ground up and everyone can do what they did and 2) they would have won more FCS championships if they had been eligible during the transition/ their 80's teams would have won multiple FCS championships if they had played at that level. They want to be both the underdog and the undefeatable conquering hero.
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They didn’t confirm any ‘facts‘. And of course its politics. The timing of it alone tells you its likely false. If you believe years old allegations, from anonymouse sources, close to an election, brought forth by a guy who is a major Biden supporing lefty (600k donation), with a campaign commercial set to go minutes after it hit the Atlantic website, then you really areIbanez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:35 amYou don't get it. Someone confirmed a fact but has remained anonymous due to their position within the government or administration. It is possible to confirm something and not want your name associated with it.
Again - you seem to forgetting that this is politics. Timing is important.
What are you more upset about - the veracity of it all or that it might hurt Dear Leader in the election?
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This is people who had no direct interaction with the incident claiming to have heard the facts.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:33 pmThey didn’t confirm any ‘facts‘. And of course its politics. The timing of it alone tells you its likely false. If you believe years old allegations, from anonymouse sources, close to an election, brought forth by a guy who is a major Biden supporing lefty (600k donation), with a campaign commercial set to go minutes after it hit the Atlantic website, then you really areIbanez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:35 am
You don't get it. Someone confirmed a fact but has remained anonymous due to their position within the government or administration. It is possible to confirm something and not want your name associated with it.
Again - you seem to forgetting that this is politics. Timing is important.
What are you more upset about - the veracity of it all or that it might hurt Dear Leader in the election?
No firsthand sources, just like Ukraine impeachment. That was so weak the Dems didn't dare bring it up during the DNC convention.
This story is just as bad, especially considering around 20 people WITH firsthand knowledge have come forward to deny the Atlantic story.
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You’ve replaced D1B in premature victory declarations.
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What’s funny is you thinking anyone got their ass kicked. I thought some fair points were made on both sides.
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Enough that small town folks are armed up, searching, and doxing.
I’ve seen similar posts on my newsfeed and only about a quarter of my friends are gullible right wing keyboard warriors.
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So in other words, no.
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And FB, the FBI, WSP, WDFW, DNR, and local sheriffs have made public statements and social media posts to disregard these rumors as false.
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Can't believe anyone still believes the press is credible at this point. Just look at the Russia Russia Russia stories for example.Ibanez wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:46 amLet's look at the situation as a whole. I'm not going to easily believe someone that is a known liar. That's why in a post above I said I wish we knew who the source was. Let's look at the credibility of the people and confirm. I know journalists have a bias, as we all do, however a LOT of rigor and confirmation goes into stories like these before they get published. I'm more likely to believe that than a known liar telling me it's false. Are stories ever wrong? Sure - and they get retracted when they aren't held up to scrutiny.
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Agreed. Another stupid move by Trump.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:10 amTrump's a complete idiot and this Woodward thing is just another reason.
First of all, Woodward came out with a book in 2018 (Fear) that put the Presidency in an awful light. After the fact, Trump still let Woodward - the man who took down Nixon - to follow him around for two years.
Second, he give him permission to record everything. BTW, only 3 of the 19 interviews was in an official capacity and WH staff are supposedly sweating about what's in the rest. This brings up the third act of stupidity: Trump called Woodward for sixteen impromptu interviews. He's basically giving Woodward ammo to work with.
I'm sure Woodward stroked Trump's ego a little bit and Trump couldn't resist the temptation to brag; resisting this temptation is pretty difficult for narcissists and all it takes is a willing listener to give affirmative feedback. They are by far the easiest to manipulate into anything you want, which is also why Trump is the biggest national security threat the Presidency has ever faced.
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kalm wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:33 amOr that since the CAA and UD are down the whole subdivision must be.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:20 am
We're dealing with opinions here. I'm not sure if Trump actually said that but I do think it is possible. IMO, Kavanaugh was the victim of a witch hunt. I believe it completely possible that Biden leveraged his power for his son's benefit. I don't care if Kamala slept her way to the top so that is irrelevant to me except when Uumpa Truumpas are calling her a whore. Trump is an immoral whore.
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