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kalm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:53 am

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:26 am

Yep. Gotta take personal responsibility to ensure your safety and not rely on John Q Public.

Had a good discussion on that matter this weekend over beers. Very entertaining to see wokenistas/caronabros get triggered by a "personal responsibility" approach to this China virus.

Personal responsibility with an obligation towards community.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:05 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:53 am

Personal responsibility with an obligation towards community.

my obligations to myself and my family come first. If those conflict with the "community" obligations, oh well.

That's why if I was a small business owner I probably would have spent some time in jail over the past year, like those dudes in Jersey or that hairdresser in Dallas.

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:49 am

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:34 am

How many deaths are acceptable to you?

Why is abortion still tolerated but the old and weak dying from the China virus not?

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:20 pm

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:49 am

Why is abortion still tolerated but the old and weak dying from the China virus not?

That's not acceptable either.

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:21 pm

Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:20 pm

That's not acceptable either.

Yes it is.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:05 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:53 am

Personal responsibility with an obligation towards community.

my obligations to myself and my family come first. If those conflict with the "community" obligations, oh well.

That's why if I was a small business owner I probably would have spent some time in jail over the past year, like those dudes in Jersey or that hairdresser in Dallas.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:48 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:05 pm

my obligations to myself and my family come first. If those conflict with the "community" obligations, oh well.

That's why if I was a small business owner I probably would have spent some time in jail over the past year, like those dudes in Jersey or that hairdresser in Dallas.

Mine too. As SD points out it depends on your idea of obligations.

Humans rose to dominance because of cooperation.

IOW’s...it’s not all about just you.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:11 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:48 pm

Mine too. As SD points out it depends on your idea of obligations.

Humans rose to dominance because of cooperation.

IOW’s...it’s not all about just you.

Well, and the really big brain kinda helped too.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:12 pm

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:11 pm

Well, and the really big brain kinda helped too.

Also related to cooperation.

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:12 pm

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:11 pm

Well, and the really big brain kinda helped too.

Also related to cooperation.

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:23 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:03 am US is pausing vaccinations using the J&J vaccine due to blood clots. Listen, I get that you want to be absolutely careful with the vaccines, but right now they have 6 cases of blood clots in more than 7 million doses of the vaccine. That's basically less than a one in a million chance of developing blood clots from this (and all 6 cases were females between 18 and 49). When supposedly the chances of catching and dying from COVID are higher than the chance of having a negative reaction to the vaccine, doesn't the math and science point to continuing the vaccine?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-calls-halt ... e_hero_hed



I'm of the opinion now that everytime someone utters the phrase "out of an abundance of caution" it's because they can't support what they're doing with facts or science but they are operating in the COYA mode, reality be damned.

Could be out of precaution due to the blood clot issue in the European vaccine, but I agree, keep injecting as many people with whatever they want so long as they want it.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:17 pm

kalm wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:12 pm

Also related to cooperation.

if cooperation worked so well, the world would run on communism.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:17 pm

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:23 am

Could be out of precaution due to the blood clot issue in the European vaccine, but I agree, keep injecting as many people with whatever they want so long as they want it.

Well, it's the same type of vaccine as the Astra-Zeneca one, so it's reasonable to think there could be blood clots. But like I said, the supposed danger of dying from the virus is so much higher than the danger of dying from the vaccine that it doesn't really seem to be prudent to stop the vaccine. That's like saying we shouldn't spray water on a house fire because the person inside could drown. Of course, they'll still just burn, but I guess at least you didn't do the thing that caused their death, or something like that.

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:26 pm Oh.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:29 pm

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:17 pm

Well, it's the same type of vaccine as the Astra-Zeneca one, so it's reasonable to think there could be blood clots. But like I said, the supposed danger of dying from the virus is so much higher than the danger of dying from the vaccine that it doesn't really seem to be prudent to stop the vaccine. That's like saying we shouldn't spray water on a house fire because the person inside could drown. Of course, they'll still just burn, but I guess at least you didn't do the thing that caused their death, or something like that.

Great analogy.

I'm still not getting the vaccine.

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:32 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:29 pm



Great analogy.

I'm still not getting the vaccine.

It's just a blood clot. No biggie.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:42 pm

SDHornet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:32 pm

It's just a blood clot. No biggie.

Guess what? That ref that collapsed during the NCAA champ game? He'd just gotten a vaccine shot. And suffered a blood clot to the lung.

GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:18 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:17 pm
if cooperation worked so well, the world would run on communism.

Cooperation could mean anything from two people to all 6 billion people in the world. Kalmie is very expansive with his definition so not to technically be tied down to any particular view or position. Why he's not already the mayor of the Palouse is beyond me.

“Then they became like really aggressive. They tried to come behind the counter, take other people’s pizzas. The man picked up my employee’s drink and spit into it," he said.

The owner said they stayed for close to an hour and threatened to come back. O'Connor decided to stay closed on Friday.

"We had actually also been closed up until two weeks ago for about two months because our oven broke. So we had just reopened again, and Friday is the busiest night of the week, and I was kind of worried about scaring people away too, and they’re going like, “What is going on down there?" he said.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:46 pm Qarens close a restaurant ...

Portland pizza restaurant closes over weekend after staff say couple refuses to wear masks

“Then they became like really aggressive. They tried to come behind the counter, take other people’s pizzas. The man picked up my employee’s drink and spit into it," he said.

The owner said they stayed for close to an hour and threatened to come back. O'Connor decided to stay closed on Friday.

"We had actually also been closed up until two weeks ago for about two months because our oven broke. So we had just reopened again, and Friday is the busiest night of the week, and I was kind of worried about scaring people away too, and they’re going like, “What is going on down there?" he said.