Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

Its getting close! I really though AZ's comment would have done it, but he's hanging tough.

Thanks Andy! You’re my 2nd favorite Tiger!

[AZGrizFan]

So valuing freedom over safety is "cultist" now. Sweet Jesus, don't EVER proclaim yourself to be a post-partisan centrist again.

Ben Franklin is rolling over in his grave as we speak.

Freedom relies on all of us…or at least enough of us to do what’s necessary to end the pandemic.

My freedom(s) most certainly don't rely on you or anyone else....unless you mean you and everyone else just minding their own fucking business.

[SeattleGriz]

So valuing freedom over safety is "cultist" now. Sweet Jesus, don't EVER proclaim yourself to be a post-partisan centrist again.

Ben Franklin is rolling over in his grave as we speak.

Freedom relies on all of us…or at least enough of us to do what’s necessary to end the pandemic.

And what exactly is required to end the pandemic?

[SDHornet]

Freedom relies on all of us…or at least enough of us to do what’s necessary to end the pandemic.

And what exactly is required to end the pandemic?

We were told we'd go back to normal when we got a vaccine...

...then it became when 60% of the gen pop got vaxxed...

...now it's get vaxxed or lose your job...

...I guess the next step is shipping those not in compliance off to camps?

[kalm]

Freedom relies on all of us…or at least enough of us to do what’s necessary to end the pandemic.

My freedom(s) most certainly don't rely on you or anyone else....unless you mean you and everyone else just minding their own fucking business.

I’m not sure you understand how all of this works.

If you were alone on the planet, no human could take away your freedom. Nature could I suppose.

Otherwise, you’re freedom is partly contingent on others. We’re still just arguing degrees and risk tolerance.

Typically irresponsible conk…

[kalm]

And what exactly is required to end the pandemic?

We were told we'd go back to normal when we got a vaccine...

...then it became when 60% of the gen pop got vaxxed...

...now it's get vaxxed or lose your job...

...I guess the next step is shipping those not in compliance off to camps?

We prefer to refer to them as “colonies”.

[SDHornet]

My freedom(s) most certainly don't rely on you or anyone else....unless you mean you and everyone else just minding their own fucking business.

I’m not sure you understand how all of this works.

If you were alone on the planet, no human could take away your freedom. Nature could I suppose.

Otherwise, you’re freedom is partly contingent on others. We’re still just arguing degrees and risk tolerance.

Typically irresponsible conk…

Yeah no, that's not how this works. Nice try though.

[SDHornet]

[SeattleGriz]

And what exactly is required to end the pandemic?

We were told we'd go back to normal when we got a vaccine...

...then it became when 60% of the gen pop got vaxxed...

...now it's get vaxxed or lose your job...

...I guess the next step is shipping those not in compliance off to camps?

My personal favorite is:

...you're a hero for working while we develop a vaccine and I know you caught COVID working on the front lines, but now you're a selfish asshole for not getting the vaccine. Granny killer.

[SDHornet]

We were told we'd go back to normal when we got a vaccine...

...then it became when 60% of the gen pop got vaxxed...

...now it's get vaxxed or lose your job...

...I guess the next step is shipping those not in compliance off to camps?

My personal favorite is:

...you're a hero for working while we develop a vaccine and I know you caught COVID working on the front lines, but now you're a selfish asshole for not getting the vaccine. Granny killer.

Yeah, klam has some good one liners in this thread.

[Gil Dobie]

And what exactly is required to end the pandemic?

We were told we'd go back to normal when we got a vaccine...

...then it became when 60% of the gen pop got vaxxed...

...now it's get vaxxed or lose your job...

...I guess the next step is shipping those not in compliance off to camps?

You've been watching too much CNN.

[SDHornet]

We were told we'd go back to normal when we got a vaccine...

...then it became when 60% of the gen pop got vaxxed...

...now it's get vaxxed or lose your job...

...I guess the next step is shipping those not in compliance off to camps?

You've been watching too much CNN.

I don't have cable.

[kalm]

My personal favorite is:

...you're a hero for working while we develop a vaccine and I know you caught COVID working on the front lines, but now you're a selfish asshole for not getting the vaccine. Granny killer.

Yeah, klam has some good one liners in this thread.

Question for you both. After almost 2 years of being consistently wrong about all of this do you at some point turn on the politicians, grifters, and companies like Fox News who fed you the BS while getting vaxxed and/or requiring their employees to be vaxxed and socially distance?

Or do you just take your ball and go home?

[Gil Dobie]

You've been watching too much CNN.

I don't have cable.

Somehow you have the same list that I see from people that watch CNN.

[SeattleGriz]

Yeah, klam has some good one liners in this thread.

Question for you both. After almost 2 years of being consistently wrong about all of this do you at some point turn on the politicians, grifters, and companies like Fox News who fed you the BS while getting vaxxed and/or requiring their employees to be vaxxed and socially distance?

Or do you just take your ball and go home?

The only thing I have been wrong on was believing the vaccines would hold out longer. I didn't anticipate a change on the opposite side of the virus changing the structure of the binding site area so much, that it allowed the virus to defeat the vaccine antibodies. Thought it would take more than roughly 8 amino acid changes to affect a 10,000 amino acid structure.

[kalm]

Question for you both. After almost 2 years of being consistently wrong about all of this do you at some point turn on the politicians, grifters, and companies like Fox News who fed you the BS while getting vaxxed and/or requiring their employees to be vaxxed and socially distance?

Or do you just take your ball and go home?

The only thing I have been wrong on was believing the vaccines would hold out longer. I didn't anticipate a change on the opposite side of the virus changing the structure of the binding site area so much, that it allowed the virus to defeat the vaccine antibodies. Thought it would take more than roughly 8 amino acid changes to affect a 10,000 amino acid structure.

[SeattleGriz]

The only thing I have been wrong on was believing the vaccines would hold out longer. I didn't anticipate a change on the opposite side of the virus changing the structure of the binding site area so much, that it allowed the virus to defeat the vaccine antibodies. Thought it would take more than roughly 8 amino acid changes to affect a 10,000 amino acid structure.

Ha! He's one of my favorites.

[SeattleGriz]

Some maths for you guys.

According to the Pfizer study:
8 out of 18,198 vaxxed caught COVID = .044%
162 out of 18,325 Unvaxxed caught COVID = .88%

The relative risk reduction is therefore .044%/.88%, which equals 5%. Take that from 100 and that is how you get a 95% relative risk reduction (efficacy).

Now let's calculate absolute risk reduction. Take .88% - .04% and you get .84%

Meaning that those who were vaxxed had a 0.84% reduction in catching COVID versus the unvaccinated.

[Gil Dobie]

Some maths for you guys.

According to the Pfizer study:
8 out of 18,198 vaxxed caught COVID = .044%
162 out of 18,325 Unvaxxed caught COVID = .88%

The relative risk reduction is therefore .044%/.88%, which equals 5%. Take that from 100 and that is how you get a 95% relative risk reduction (efficacy).

Now let's calculate absolute risk reduction. Take .88% - .04% and you get .84%

Meaning that those who were vaxxed had a 0.84% reduction in catching COVID versus the unvaccinated.

Some people go to extreme measures to come up with an excuse not to get vaxxed. It's a choice, make the choice, but don't bore us with you BS. Mucho shenanigans in your Biden math.

[SeattleGriz]

Some maths for you guys.

According to the Pfizer study:
8 out of 18,198 vaxxed caught COVID = .044%
162 out of 18,325 Unvaxxed caught COVID = .88%

The relative risk reduction is therefore .044%/.88%, which equals 5%. Take that from 100 and that is how you get a 95% relative risk reduction (efficacy).

Now let's calculate absolute risk reduction. Take .88% - .04% and you get .84%

Meaning that those who were vaxxed had a 0.84% reduction in catching COVID versus the unvaccinated.

Some people go to extreme measures to come up with an excuse not to get vaxxed. It's a choice, make the choice, but don't bore us with you BS. Mucho shenanigans in your Biden math.

What is wrong with the math? Be specific.

[Gil Dobie]

Some people go to extreme measures to come up with an excuse not to get vaxxed. It's a choice, make the choice, but don't bore us with you BS. Mucho shenanigans in your Biden math.

What is wrong with the math? Be specific.

It's a fricken excuse, I thought it was about freedom of choice.

[SeattleGriz]

What is wrong with the math? Be specific.

It's a fricken excuse, I thought it was about freedom of choice.

The facts published by the manufacturer weigh into that choice. 95% efficacy sounds a whole lot better than a 0.84% reduction. Wonder why they use the 95%

[Winterborn]

It's a fricken excuse, I thought it was about freedom of choice.

The facts published by the manufacturer weigh into that choice. 95% efficacy sounds a whole lot better than a 0.84% reduction. Wonder why they use the 95%

Marketing.

Big Pharma didn't get big by accident. All boils down to money and who's pockets it is going into.

[Gil Dobie]

It's a fricken excuse, I thought it was about freedom of choice.

The facts published by the manufacturer weigh into that choice. 95% efficacy sounds a whole lot better than a 0.84% reduction. Wonder why they use the 95%

So you won't buy something because a large company makes money on it, queue the petroleum industry or brewery industry, and so on and so on. Just another excuse. Make you decision and save some bandwidth.

[Winterborn]

The facts published by the manufacturer weigh into that choice. 95% efficacy sounds a whole lot better than a 0.84% reduction. Wonder why they use the 95%

So you won't buy something because a large company makes money on it, queue the petroleum industry or brewery industry, and so on and so on. Just another excuse. Make you decision and save some bandwidth.

I think everybody has made a decision already. Now they are just trying to convert the other side to their particular brand of beliefs.

It is reminding me more and more of when the Jehovah Witnesses come around. Except in their case, they leave once they have heard that I am not interested.


In all transparency, I think both sides have valid points.