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A couple comments-CAA Flagship wrote:I think this thing needs it's own thread.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/24/coronavir ... -hospital/
The latest update:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN1ZO0AV
1) it is a SARS mutationmainejeff2 wrote:Isn't it the "snake flu"? Those people over there have to stop eating every animal they see.....at least I hope it's eating and not something else.CID1990 wrote: The reality is that this iteration of the bird flu is moderately virulent and, at least at first glance, only moderately lethal. It will kill about 2-3% of people infected (usual suspects- elderly, children, and people with compromised immune systems) and it will infect about 1000 people per fatality.
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China has been/is going through a big epidemic of swine flu in their hog population and both SARS/Swine Flu affect the respiratory tract. My SWAG is that the same conditions that arose to promote their problem with swine flu probably had an effect on any body that still had a form of SARS.CID1990 wrote:
A couple comments-
This virus does not appear to be very different from SARS. The difference now is twofold:
a) China’s economy has expanded bigly since SARS. 10x Chinese are traveling abroad than were doing so during SARS
b) The Chinese govt largely covered up SARS. They have been much more open about this virus. Therefore Western media is getting much more info and there is a little bit of Chicken Little going on.
The reality is that this iteration of the bird flu is moderately virulent and, at least at first glance, only moderately lethal. It will kill about 2-3% of people infected (usual suspects- elderly, children, and people with compromised immune systems) and it will infect about 1000 people per fatality.
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So, if the Chinese put high tariffs on our hogs, they’re only shooting themselves in the foot.Winterborn wrote:China has been/is going through a big epidemic of swine flu in their hog population and both SARS/Swine Flu affect the respiratory tract. My SWAG is that the same conditions that arose to promote their problem with swine flu probably had an effect on any body that still had a form of SARS.CID1990 wrote:
A couple comments-
This virus does not appear to be very different from SARS. The difference now is twofold:
a) China’s economy has expanded bigly since SARS. 10x Chinese are traveling abroad than were doing so during SARS
b) The Chinese govt largely covered up SARS. They have been much more open about this virus. Therefore Western media is getting much more info and there is a little bit of Chicken Little going on.
The reality is that this iteration of the bird flu is moderately virulent and, at least at first glance, only moderately lethal. It will kill about 2-3% of people infected (usual suspects- elderly, children, and people with compromised immune systems) and it will infect about 1000 people per fatality.
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Wuhan has 14 major hog farms (over 1 million hogs) and their could of easily been some cross over among workers.
Estimates are they lost around 300 million of their hogs this past year. The US is either 2nd or 3rd in hog production (going off of memory here) and yes it is going to only hurt themselves. They have largely covered up the extent of the damage. Plus with this time of year (Chinese New Year) it is the time that they consume the most pork. Toss in the fact that certain areas do not buy frozen pork, as they only will buy fresh, due to the fact that consumption of frozen pork is seen as only something the poor do, they are in a bit of trouble.Ivytalk wrote:So, if the Chinese put high tariffs on our hogs, they’re only shooting themselves in the foot.Winterborn wrote:
China has been/is going through a big epidemic of swine flu in their hog population and both SARS/Swine Flu affect the respiratory tract. My SWAG is that the same conditions that arose to promote their problem with swine flu probably had an effect on any body that still had a form of SARS.
Wuhan has 14 major hog farms (over 1 million hogs) and their could of easily been some cross over among workers.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/20 ... s-in-chinaMcCracken and her colleagues now estimate that by the end of 2019, China's production of pork could be cut in half. "That's roughly 300 million to 350 million pigs lost in China, which is almost a quarter of the world's pork supply," she says. "It's a massive number."
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/african ... rcent.htmlChina’s hog herd fell by half in the first eight months of 2019 due to a devastating outbreak of African swine fever and will likely shrink by 55% by the end of the year, analysts at Rabobank said on Wednesday.
I don’t hate liberals. I think they’re cute and I want to pat them all on the head.mainejeff2 wrote:Why do you hate liberals, Mr. Fox News?CID1990 wrote:
1) it is a SARS mutation
2) why do you hate yellow people, Mr Truman?
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AZGrizFan wrote:Our mainstream media wants a fucking epidemic in the worst way. They’d KILL for that story.
Like they make every snowstorm out to be the end of the world, every degree of temp change means the end of the world, every hurricane is the worst ever recorded, etc. etc. Fear sells. And they’ve become very good at selling it.
Yup.AZGrizFan wrote:Our mainstream media wants a fucking epidemic in the worst way. They’d KILL for that story.
Like they make every snowstorm out to be the end of the world, every degree of temp change means the end of the world, every hurricane is the worst ever recorded, etc. etc. Fear sells. And they’ve become very good at selling it.
Yes, much like your precious government, I'm sure the MSM just has your best interests at heart.∞∞∞ wrote:You know what else contains pandemics? Fear.
People stay indoors, wash their hands more, travel less, see doctors, etc.
Intentional or not, fear assists in stopping highly contagious diseases.
Yep- don’t go to Chinadbackjon wrote:A friend of mine was scheduled to take a birding trip to China in a few weeks - cancelled - all tourism has been suspended.
There is something to that. I have been directly involved in response to a number of events. The Amazon Venture oil spill. The Deepwater Horizon oil incident. Hurricane Katrina. Numerous other hurricanes. That weird thing in 2016 where it rained a bunch on Louisiana without a hurricane. In every case, as I watched things unfold, I felt like the media made things seem worse than they actually were.AZGrizFan wrote:Our mainstream media wants a fucking epidemic in the worst way. They’d KILL for that story.
Like they make every snowstorm out to be the end of the world, every degree of temp change means the end of the world, every hurricane is the worst ever recorded, etc. etc. Fear sells. And they’ve become very good at selling it.
At this point I don’t. They are doing everything in their power to whip the country into a panic. It’s embarrassing and dangerous.JohnStOnge wrote:There is something to that. I have been directly involved in response to a number of events. The Amazon Venture oil spill. The Deepwater Horizon oil incident. Hurricane Katrina. Numerous other hurricanes. That weird thing in 2016 where it rained a bunch on Louisiana without a hurricane. In every case, as I watched things unfold, I felt like the media made things seem worse than they actually were.AZGrizFan wrote:Our mainstream media wants a fucking epidemic in the worst way. They’d KILL for that story.
Like they make every snowstorm out to be the end of the world, every degree of temp change means the end of the world, every hurricane is the worst ever recorded, etc. etc. Fear sells. And they’ve become very good at selling it.
But that doesn't mean things weren't bad. And I think believing in the "you can't believe the mainstream media" thing is more dangerous to us than the mainstream media's imperfections are.
AZGrizFan wrote:At this point I don’t. They are doing everything in their power to whip the country into a panic. It’s embarrassing and dangerous.
Any remember bird flu? 
Bad news sells better than good news.AZGrizFan wrote:At this point I don’t. They are doing everything in their power to whip the country into a panic. It’s embarrassing and dangerous.JohnStOnge wrote:
There is something to that. I have been directly involved in response to a number of events. The Amazon Venture oil spill. The Deepwater Horizon oil incident. Hurricane Katrina. Numerous other hurricanes. That weird thing in 2016 where it rained a bunch on Louisiana without a hurricane. In every case, as I watched things unfold, I felt like the media made things seem worse than they actually were.
But that doesn't mean things weren't bad. And I think believing in the "you can't believe the mainstream media" thing is more dangerous to us than the mainstream media's imperfections are.
More fuel for that fire.SDHornet wrote:Not sure if anyone has been following this, but basically all of the hospitals in Wuhan are swamped and the gubmint is scrambling to build a few 1000 bed hospitals just to deal with the outbreak.
The conspiracy theory with this one is that it was a leak from a bio weapons lab (or something super duper lab).
So they named their umbrella corp to be, literally, "Umbrella Corp." Brilliant.Winterborn wrote:More fuel for that fire.SDHornet wrote:Not sure if anyone has been following this, but basically all of the hospitals in Wuhan are swamped and the gubmint is scrambling to build a few 1000 bed hospitals just to deal with the outbreak.
The conspiracy theory with this one is that it was a leak from a bio weapons lab (or something super duper lab).
