SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:00 am
I can say that because we have NEVER beaten a respiratory virus like covid with
leaky vaccines. For simplicity, the virus has around 55 total epitopes to attack, and for some reason you think attacking the same 5 over and over on the S protein, which highly mutates, is going to work if we all just keep getting jabbed.
Surely there has to be somewhere in the world where they followed your rules. Can you point them out for me please?
Your plan is pushing the majority of the population all in the same direction with a 5 epitope vaccine that doesn't kill the virus on the spot, and now you're seeing what happens. The virus prefers the vaccinated now. Come for the king, best not miss.
That's normal and while it sounds spooky, it's really not. It happens and was the path it always was going to go with leaky vaccines. Covid is working it's way up the list. Fortunately, what's left is a tough out for Covid. The vaccine was able to give many protection for up to a year, while the virus tamed down. Take that win.
If a leaky vaccine is a vaccine that does not completely eliminate infection risk, there is no such thing as a vaccine that isn't leaky. The COVID-19 vaccines certainly did reduce infection risk early on and probably do reduce infection risk now. An example of a study showing infection risk was reduced early on is at
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/ ... ne%20doses. A table summarizing the results is at
https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/105235. During the study they tested all of the residents and health care workers twice per week so they were able to recognize asymptomatic infections.
I think that the most informative result is the extent to which infection risk among health care workers who were vaccinated was less than that among unvaccinated health care workers. I say that because I think the health care workers were more like the general population than the residents were. And the infection rate among vaccinated health care workers was 78% less than the rate among unvaccinated health care workers.
The difference in symptomatic disease rate was greater. The rate among vaccinated health care workers was 88% less than that among unvaccinated health care workers. But the 78% difference in infection rate is notable.
The vaccines are not as effective against newer variants. But they do still reduce the risk of symptomatic cases. I know of no reason to think they do not also reduce the risk of infection. it's just rare, as far as i know, to have studies like that one on that Kentucky Skilled Nursing facility where there is opportunity to repeatedly test everybody in the study population to see if they get infected.
Another thing is that vaccination isn't the only potential barrier. The public health paradigm is that you erect multiple barriers to reduce the risk. Vaccination that reduces the risk of infection to some extent (and the COVID-19 vaccines to that) is one. But there are also other things, like community masking, that public health officials were trying to foster. And they were running into resistance with all of them. Fighting misinformation with all of them.