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Ivytalk wrote:
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I beg to differ.
Beg all you like. She just needs another 6 months or so.
4 1/2 years.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:16 pm
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Beg all you like. She just needs another 6 months or so.
4 1/2 years.
I"m optimistic about that not happening. Not highly confident, but optimistic. You may recall that, on election eve 2016, I posted based on what I was seeing in polling information that Clinton winning was not a done deal at all. If the election were being held under ordinary circumstances I would now say that if the election were held tomorrow Biden winning would be a done deal. I include the "ordinary circumstances" caveat because of the COVID-19 thing. It introduces additional uncertainty about turnout.

The other thing, of course, is that the election more than 3 months away and public sentiment may change.

I think Trump is doing things to hurt his chances. He appears to be focused on revving up his base. But I think he is doing things that will also drive greater turnout among groups that historically have voted Democrat. Like the thing with the Federal Enforcement staff in Portland.

Finally, while I can never know if it's true, I think that one factor in Trump winning last time was that a lot of people thought there was no way he could win. I didn't think that. But I think a lot of people did. It's not going to be like that this next time.

We'll see. But right now I'm optimistic. If the polls look like they do now on election eve I'll be REALLY optimistic. I'd probably be willing to bet Trump loses if that's the case.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:46 am
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4 1/2 years.
I"m optimistic about that not happening. Not highly confident, but optimistic. You may recall that, on election eve 2016, I posted based on what I was seeing in polling information that Clinton winning was not a done deal at all. If the election were being held under ordinary circumstances I would now say that if the election were held tomorrow Biden winning would be a done deal. I include the "ordinary circumstances" caveat because of the COVID-19 thing. It introduces additional uncertainty about turnout.

The other thing, of course, is that the election more than 3 months away and public sentiment may change.

I think Trump is doing things to hurt his chances. He appears to be focused on revving up his base. But I think he is doing things that will also drive greater turnout among groups that historically have voted Democrat. Like the thing with the Federal Enforcement staff in Portland.

Finally, while I can never know if it's true, I think that one factor in Trump winning last time was that a lot of people thought there was no way he could win. I didn't think that. But I think a lot of people did. It's not going to be like that this next time.

We'll see. But right now I'm optimistic. If the polls look like they do now on election eve I'll be REALLY optimistic. I'd probably be willing to bet Trump loses if that's the case.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:23 am
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I"m optimistic about that not happening. Not highly confident, but optimistic. You may recall that, on election eve 2016, I posted based on what I was seeing in polling information that Clinton winning was not a done deal at all. If the election were being held under ordinary circumstances I would now say that if the election were held tomorrow Biden winning would be a done deal. I include the "ordinary circumstances" caveat because of the COVID-19 thing. It introduces additional uncertainty about turnout.

The other thing, of course, is that the election more than 3 months away and public sentiment may change.

I think Trump is doing things to hurt his chances. He appears to be focused on revving up his base. But I think he is doing things that will also drive greater turnout among groups that historically have voted Democrat. Like the thing with the Federal Enforcement staff in Portland.

Finally, while I can never know if it's true, I think that one factor in Trump winning last time was that a lot of people thought there was no way he could win. I didn't think that. But I think a lot of people did. It's not going to be like that this next time.

We'll see. But right now I'm optimistic. If the polls look like they do now on election eve I'll be REALLY optimistic. I'd probably be willing to bet Trump loses if that's the case.
Well, John, if I were you I’d be willing to bet five bucks right now that Biden will win. Unless he pops an aneurysm or goes totally Weekend at Bernie’s on us.
I will go with what the polls say on election eve. There were times during the 2016 election season that I would've said "if the election were to be held tomorrow, HIllary would win." But it was not like that on election eve. Same here. I am optimistic that when election eve gets here it'll look good for Biden. But no one knows what will happen between now and then.

Also, I think the COVID-19 situation does complicate the situation. I was just watching George Will and another guy on TV. Will thinks it's already very likely that Biden will win. The other guy wasn't as confident and one thing he said is that Republicans are more skeptical about COVID-19 and therefore will less hesitant about voting. I don't know if it'll work out that way but it's a possible factor and we won't be able to see how it works out until i actually happens.

Plus the Russians are still trying to help Trump. Don't know what will happen with that.
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BTW, I am HOPING that it'll work out per the cliche "They will crawl over broken glass to vote" with respect to the groups that tend to vote Democrat. I am hoping it turns out like Wisconsin where Republicans refused to extend the absentee ballot deadline for COVID-19 in hopes of cutting turnout and getting a conservative judge re-elected to the State Supreme Court. Didn't work out for them as groups that vote Democrat bit the bullet and turned out.

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The result shocked members of both parties, in no small part because the state GOP did all it could to guarantee the opposite outcome. The novel coronavirus pandemic has forced most Wisconsites into seclusion, but earlier this month, the Republican-held legislature rejected Governor Evers’s efforts to postpone the election, forcing people to vote in person and risk infection.
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I also hope the cliche holds true.

I'll make sure my corpse commits voter fraud to get to the ballot box.

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I also hope the cliche holds true.

I'll make sure my corpse commits voter fraud to get to the ballot box.
I hope that doesn't mean you plan to die before election day.

I live in a State where my vote doesn't matter and the Republican Controlled legislature made sure I can't vote by mail. I may not vote because I live in a household where there is one person with diabetes and another person that is 91 years old. But if I lived in a "swing" state I would vote. No doubt. Getting Trump out is extremely important to the future of this country.
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Ivytalk wrote:
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RBG will live to 110. That bitch is invincible. She flicks cancer off her shoulder like a gnat.
Yup, including two bouts with pancreatic cancer (one of the really bad ones) and one with colon cancer. It’s liver cancer this time, which is no walk in the park.

I bet RBG outlives Jimmeh Carter.
I am pretty sure RBG has dirt on the Grimm Reaper and it gets released if he ever tries to collect.
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Actually, I’d much rather sic the Grim Reaper on Judge Judy. What a nasty old bitch she is. :ohno:
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Ginsburg dead.

Will be interesting to see how Rs respond. I think it would probably be smart for them to make the presidential election about the SCOTUS seat and not rush a nominee through. If they don't think they have any chance, might as well push one through.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:06 pm
Ivytalk wrote:
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She’ll be on the bench after Trump leaves office.
I beg to differ.
Ivytalk wrote:
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Beg all you like. She just needs another 6 months or so.
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Of course the Republicans won’t do anything with her seat during an election year. They’re not about to be hypocrites.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:11 pm
Ginsburg dead.

Will be interesting to see how Rs respond. I think it would probably be smart for them to make the presidential election about the SCOTUS seat and not rush a nominee through. If they don't think they have any chance, might as well push one through.
They won’t. They’ll ignore their own hypocrisy. This is politics.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:11 pm
Ginsburg dead.

Will be interesting to see how Rs respond. I think it would probably be smart for them to make the presidential election about the SCOTUS seat and not rush a nominee through. If they don't think they have any chance, might as well push one through.
Bullshit. Selecting a nominee now will cause the Left to become even more violent and burn more cities. In case you haven't noticed, that shit isn't good for Democrats.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:11 pm
Ginsburg dead.

Will be interesting to see how Rs respond. I think it would probably be smart for them to make the presidential election about the SCOTUS seat and not rush a nominee through. If they don't think they have any chance, might as well push one through.
There are pro's and con's to both approaches. If you wait the D's have something to rally around, if you push one through they have another reason to dislike Trump (which may not be that big of a deal consider their emotional response to him so far). On the flip side, pushing one through will give energy to the R's and Trump can hold up an accomplishment to his base. I don't see much of a plus for waiting from the R's side.

The Senate has been confirming Judges these past couple of weeks (13 so far) and they could just roll right into a SCOTUS hearing. All depends on if McConnell has the votes already lined up.
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Ibanez wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:26 pm
Of course the Republicans won’t do anything with her seat during an election year. They’re not about to be hypocrites.
Nothing to be hypocritical about. 2016 was Donk POTUS, Conk Senate in an election year.
Now Conk POTUS, Conk Senate in an election year. Yuge difference.
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If the GOP pushes a nominee through, then stacking the court is the only alternative.
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If the GOP pushes a nominee through, then stacking the court is the only alternative.
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dbackjon wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:31 pm
If the GOP pushes a nominee through, then stacking the court is the only alternative.
No its not. :roll: Its calling winning the POTUS and Senate, and then confirming your own nominees. You know, the way its worked for 230+ years..
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JohnStOnge wrote:
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I think the jig is up for her this time. I don't think it will be long.
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Sorry, have to agree with dbackjon (kinda)...if Mitch McConnell is going to change the rules about SCOTUS appointments in election, well you can't really complain if donks fight dirty with the Supreme Court.
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Trump released list of 20 potential nominees in 2016. Added 5 names 2017, 20 more recently. Below are the possible nominees:
Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit
Gregory G. Katsas‡ (born 1964)[38] (appointed by Trump)
Brett Kavanaugh† (born 1965)[36][39][35][40] (nominated and confirmed)
Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit
Thomas Hardiman* (born 1965)[14][39][41]
Peter J. Phipps‡ (born 1973)[38] (appointed by Trump)
Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit
Allison Jones Rushing‡ (born 1982)[38] (appointed by Trump)
Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit
Kyle Duncan‡ (born 1972)[38] (appointed by Trump)
James C. Ho‡ (born 1973)[38] (appointed by Trump)
Don Willett* (born 1966)[14] (appointed by Trump)[note 1]
Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit
Raymond Kethledge* (born 1966)[14][39][41]
Joan Larsen* (born 1968)[14] (appointed by Trump)[note 2]
Amul Thapar** (born 1969)[15][39] (elevated by Trump)[note 3]
Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit
Amy Coney Barrett† (born 1972)[35] (appointed by Trump)[note 4]
Diane Sykes* (born 1957)[14]
Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit
Steven Colloton* (born 1963)[14]
Raymond Gruender* (born 1963)[14]
David Stras* (born 1974)[14] (appointed by Trump)[note 5]
Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit
Bridget Shelton Bade‡ (born 1965)[38] (appointed by Trump)
Lawrence VanDyke‡ (born 1972)[38] (appointed by Trump)
Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit
Allison Eid* (born 1965)[14] (appointed by Trump)[note 6]
Neil Gorsuch** (born 1967)[15][16] (nominated and confirmed)
Timothy Tymkovich** (born 1956)[15]
Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit
Britt Grant† (born 1978)[35] (appointed by Trump)[note 7]
Barbara Lagoa‡ (born 1967)[38] (appointed by Trump)
Kevin Newsom† (born 1972)[35] (appointed by Trump)[note 8]
Bill Pryor* (born 1962)[14]
Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces
Meg Ryan** (born 1964)[15]
United States District Courts
Federico A. Moreno** (born 1952) – Senior Judge, United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida[15]
Martha M. Pacold‡ (born 1979)[38] – District Judge, United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois (appointed by Trump)
Sarah Pitlyk‡ (born 1977)[38] – District Judge, United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri (appointed by Trump)
Patrick Wyrick† (born 1981)[35] – District Judge, United States District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma (appointed by Trump);[note 9]
State Supreme Courts
Keith R. Blackwell** (born 1975) – Associate Justice, Supreme Court of Georgia[15]
Charles T. Canady** (born 1954) – Chief Justice, Supreme Court of Florida[15]
Thomas Rex Lee* (born 1964) – Associate Justice, Utah Supreme Court[14]
Edward Mansfield** (born 1957) – Associate Justice, Iowa Supreme Court[15]
Carlos G. Muñiz‡ (born 1969)[38] – Associate Justice, Supreme Court of Florida
Robert P. Young Jr.** (born 1951) – Former Chief Justice, Michigan Supreme Court[15]
Executive Branch
Paul Clement‡ (born 1966)[38] – former Solicitor General of the United States
Steven Engel‡ (born 1974)[38] – United States Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel
Noel Francisco‡ (born 1969)[38] – former Solicitor General of the United States
Christopher Landau‡ (born 1963)[38] – United States Ambassador to Mexico
Kate Comerford Todd‡[38] – Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy Counsel to the President
United States Senators
Tom Cotton‡ (born 1977) – Senator from Arkansas[38]
Ted Cruz‡ (born 1970) – Senator from Texas[38]
Josh Hawley‡ (born 1979) – Senator from Missouri[38]
Mike Lee** (born 1971) – Senator from Utah[15][39]
State Executive Branches
Daniel Cameron‡ (born 1985)[38] – Attorney General of Kentucky
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I think Mitch McConnell will actually agree with Jelly, but Trump being Trump he's going to ram through a nominee and will just hurt the Republicans in November.
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