Blue Wave 2018

[bluehenbillk]

Do you think the map is more gerrymandered or less gerrymandered?



I think it's pretty clearly a better map. But, I'd love to hear your arguments otherwise.

And, I'd say the same thing if it was Maryland or another state gerrymandered for Democrats.

I agree that the new map is a "better" map. The old map was as bad a gerrymanded situation as could be and the GOP only has themselves to blame. However, the new map has some gerrymandering of it's own built in. It's harder to see when you show a map of this size, but once you start zooming in & see how they've now crossed county lines to work in "heavy blue" areas into "predominantly red" districts you can see how the Democrats wanted to win back seats.

Give it another decade and a different State Supreme Court & will tilt red again - just not as bad as before.

[UNI88]

Yep. Democrat judges on the PA Supreme Ct usurping their authority to redraw the maps had nothing to do with gerrymandering. That was just the simple excuse. They did it for for one reason only- politics- the old map hurt democrats. They're the ones who opened this pandora's box, so if/when republicans sometime in the future get control of the state SC, a republican majority in the legislature (as is now) could redraw the same or similar map as the prior, and a conk controlled state SC they could simply say the old map or similar is constitutional.

Outside of Maryland, the GOP has been experts at Gerrymandering. You are whining because the PSC drew a map that was balanced. According to you and the rest of the GOP, if it isn't skewed to the GOP, it is not fair. The GOP has been going down this path hard for the last decade or so - laughable that you blame the Dems for opening a Pandora's Box. If every state was drawn fairly, without regards for political parties, the Democrats would be in control of the House

Outside of Maryland? What state did you grow up in?

[Ivytalk]

Yep. Democrat judges on the PA Supreme Ct usurping their authority to redraw the maps had nothing to do with gerrymandering. That was just the simple excuse. They did it for for one reason only- politics- the old map hurt democrats. They're the ones who opened this pandora's box, so if/when republicans sometime in the future get control of the state SC, a republican majority in the legislature (as is now) could redraw the same or similar map as the prior, and a conk controlled state SC they could simply say the old map or similar is constitutional.

Outside of Maryland, the GOP has been experts at Gerrymandering. You are whining because the PSC drew a map that was balanced. According to you and the rest of the GOP, if it isn't skewed to the GOP, it is not fair. The GOP has been going down this path hard for the last decade or so - laughable that you blame the Dems for opening a Pandora's Box. If every state was drawn fairly, without regards for political parties, the Democrats would be in control of the House

Calm down, Midol Man.

[UNI88]

Whether he knows porn and art or not I think you can look at those two maps and tell which one is gerrymandered and which is not.

You’re just turning into a Donk drama queen.

The upper one is Jackson Pollock. The lower one is Piet Mondrian.

Philistine.

Culture - check
Humor - check

Nice work IT!

[GannonFan]

Do you think the map is more gerrymandered or less gerrymandered?



I think it's pretty clearly a better map. But, I'd love to hear your arguments otherwise.

And, I'd say the same thing if it was Maryland or another state gerrymandered for Democrats.

I agree that the new map is a "better" map. The old map was as bad a gerrymanded situation as could be and the GOP only has themselves to blame. However, the new map has some gerrymandering of it's own built in. It's harder to see when you show a map of this size, but once you start zooming in & see how they've now crossed county lines to work in "heavy blue" areas into "predominantly red" districts you can see how the Democrats wanted to win back seats.

Give it another decade and a different State Supreme Court & will tilt red again - just not as bad as before.

Agreed, it's better, simply because of the compactness, but it's still heavily gerrymandered. Lines were specifically drawn to increase the chances for one political party to win more seats. How is that not gerrymandering? The lines don't always follow lines of counties or municipalities, and when they don't, they are done so to disadvantage one party over another party. This time, Democrats on the PA Supreme Court did it to favor their own party. When the Supreme Court swings to GOP control, the Supreme Court will redraw them to favor their party. The only thing that has really changed is what branch of government draws the lines. Gerrymandering remains the same.

[∞∞∞]

Liberal judge wins seat on Wisconsin's state supreme court:

Dallet won the seat over her opponent, Judge Michael Screnock from Sauk County, Wisc., a former conservative-activist turned lawyer.

"I think my message resonated with Wisconsinites," Dallet told supporters in Milwaukee Tuesday night. "People are tired of special interests ruling and wanted to speak up."

With the win, she will replace outgoing conservative Justice Michael Gableman, bringing the court's 5-2 conservative majority down to 4-3.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/03/59925402 ... court-race

[Ivytalk]

Liberal judge wins seat on Wisconsin's state supreme court:

Dallet won the seat over her opponent, Judge Michael Screnock from Sauk County, Wisc., a former conservative-activist turned lawyer.

"I think my message resonated with Wisconsinites," Dallet told supporters in Milwaukee Tuesday night. "People are tired of special interests ruling and wanted to speak up."

With the win, she will replace outgoing conservative Justice Michael Gableman, bringing the court's 5-2 conservative majority down to 4-3.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/03/59925402 ... court-race

Exactly why electing judges is a horrible idea, regardless of a candidate’s politics.

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Liberal judge wins seat on Wisconsin's state supreme court:


https://www.npr.org/2018/04/03/59925402 ... court-race

Exactly why electing judges is a horrible idea, regardless of a candidate’s politics.

I only disagree when a conservative judge is elected.

[kalm]

Liberal judge wins seat on Wisconsin's state supreme court:


https://www.npr.org/2018/04/03/59925402 ... court-race

Exactly why electing judges is a horrible idea, regardless of a candidate’s politics.

Why?

[Ivytalk]

Exactly why electing judges is a horrible idea, regardless of a candidate’s politics.

Why?

Because Federalist 78, that’s why. Hamilton says it better than I ever could.

[CID1990]

So back to the Blue Wave that is about to engulf us all

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-mahe ... e-the-left

Maher annoyed me when GWB was President because he was a one trick pony (GWB is dumb)

But lately he gets it... frankly, over the past few years and especially in the last one he comes across to me as someone who I only have a few relatively minor divisions with. And he is absolutely right - there is very little substantive criticism of Trump coming from the left - it is just foot stamping and crying over what is ultimately minor, to the detriment of focus on those things that do matter

“What matters is that while you self-involved fools were policing language at the Kids’ Choice Awards, a madman talked his way into the White House,” he said. “What matters is that while liberals were in a contest to see who could be the first to call out fat-shaming, the Tea Party has been busy taking over school boards. Stop protecting your virgin ears and start noticing you’re getting fucked in the ass.”

If the Dems want this blue wave then they are going to have to start showing people that their policy positions are better - and stop having conniption fits over the guy's tweets and hair

[Ivytalk]

So back to the Blue Wave that is about to engulf us all

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-mahe ... e-the-left

Maher annoyed me when GWB was President because he was a one trick pony (GWB is dumb)

But lately he gets it... frankly, over the past few years and especially in the last one he comes across to me as someone who I only have a few relatively minor divisions with. And he is absolutely right - there is very little substantive criticism of Trump coming from the left - it is just foot stamping and crying over what is ultimately minor, to the detriment of focus on those things that do matter

“What matters is that while you self-involved fools were policing language at the Kids’ Choice Awards, a madman talked his way into the White House,” he said. “What matters is that while liberals were in a contest to see who could be the first to call out fat-shaming, the Tea Party has been busy taking over school boards. Stop protecting your virgin ears and start noticing you’re getting **** in the ass.”

If the Dems want this blue wave then they are going to have to start showing people that their policy positions are better - and stop having conniption fits over the guy's tweets and hair

Anybody who can put Fauxcahontas in her place is OK in my book!

[kalm]

So back to the Blue Wave that is about to engulf us all

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-mahe ... e-the-left

Maher annoyed me when GWB was President because he was a one trick pony (GWB is dumb)

But lately he gets it... frankly, over the past few years and especially in the last one he comes across to me as someone who I only have a few relatively minor divisions with. And he is absolutely right - there is very little substantive criticism of Trump coming from the left - it is just foot stamping and crying over what is ultimately minor, to the detriment of focus on those things that do matter

“What matters is that while you self-involved fools were policing language at the Kids’ Choice Awards, a madman talked his way into the White House,” he said. “What matters is that while liberals were in a contest to see who could be the first to call out fat-shaming, the Tea Party has been busy taking over school boards. Stop protecting your virgin ears and start noticing you’re getting fucked in the ass.”

If the Dems want this blue wave then they are going to have to start showing people that their policy positions are better - and stop having conniption fits over the guy's tweets and hair

Good read and spot on. Look at social media and it appears to be way less about ideas and mostly about how bad Trump is. If you have a good product, you market yourself instead of constantly trashing the competition. It's better to appeal to positive emotions than negative. 'We're not Trump' while passively paying lip service to progressive ideals that no one believes you will really pursue is not a good product.

That's why if the establishment dems remain in total control of funding, messaging, and primary rules, the Blue Wave may be small.

[BDKJMU]

So back to the Blue Wave that is about to engulf us all

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-mahe ... e-the-left

Maher annoyed me when GWB was President because he was a one trick pony (GWB is dumb)

But lately he gets it... frankly, over the past few years and especially in the last one he comes across to me as someone who I only have a few relatively minor divisions with. And he is absolutely right - there is very little substantive criticism of Trump coming from the left - it is just foot stamping and crying over what is ultimately minor, to the detriment of focus on those things that do matter

“What matters is that while you self-involved fools were policing language at the Kids’ Choice Awards, a madman talked his way into the White House,” he said. “What matters is that while liberals were in a contest to see who could be the first to call out fat-shaming, the Tea Party has been busy taking over school boards. Stop protecting your virgin ears and start noticing you’re getting **** in the ass.”

If the Dems want this blue wave then they are going to have to start showing people that their policy positions are better - and stop having conniption fits over the guy's tweets and hair

This month, Maher challenged Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI) about the Democrats’ reluctance to make Trump’s potential collusion with Russia an issue in the 2018 midterms. “If you can’t make treason an issue, I don’t know why you’re even a party,” he lamented.

So Maher has bought into the narrative that Trump collided with the Russians and committed treason. That opining sounds like a lot of he loony left.

[CID1990]

So back to the Blue Wave that is about to engulf us all

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-mahe ... e-the-left

Maher annoyed me when GWB was President because he was a one trick pony (GWB is dumb)

But lately he gets it... frankly, over the past few years and especially in the last one he comes across to me as someone who I only have a few relatively minor divisions with. And he is absolutely right - there is very little substantive criticism of Trump coming from the left - it is just foot stamping and crying over what is ultimately minor, to the detriment of focus on those things that do matter

“What matters is that while you self-involved fools were policing language at the Kids’ Choice Awards, a madman talked his way into the White House,” he said. “What matters is that while liberals were in a contest to see who could be the first to call out fat-shaming, the Tea Party has been busy taking over school boards. Stop protecting your virgin ears and start noticing you’re getting **** in the ass.”

If the Dems want this blue wave then they are going to have to start showing people that their policy positions are better - and stop having conniption fits over the guy's tweets and hair

This month, Maher challenged Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI) about the Democrats’ reluctance to make Trump’s potential collusion with Russia an issue in the 2018 midterms. “If you can’t make treason an issue, I don’t know why you’re even a party,” he lamented.

So Maher has bought into the narrative that Trump collided with the Russians and committed treason. That opining sounds like a lot of he loony left.

Yes he has -

He's not suddenly a conservative and he's as vulnerable to the same hive mind thinking that we all are from time to time

but when it comes to speech in this country he's spot on - he recognizes certain things in the offended left that cannot be ignored


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[CAA Flagship]

Democrats lose ground with millennials - Reuters/Ipsos poll

The online survey of more than 16,000 registered voters ages 18 to 34 shows their support for Democrats over Republicans for Congress slipped by about 9 percentage points over the past two years, to 46 percent overall. And they increasingly say the Republican Party is a better steward of the economy.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29

[kalm]

Democrats lose ground with millennials - Reuters/Ipsos poll

The online survey of more than 16,000 registered voters ages 18 to 34 shows their support for Democrats over Republicans for Congress slipped by about 9 percentage points over the past two years, to 46 percent overall. And they increasingly say the Republican Party is a better steward of the economy.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29

On one hand that’s a good thing as the Democratic Party has become a grotesque representation of the establishment mixed with illiberal PC. On the other, they’re favoring a party that is equally irresponsible regarding fiscal responsibility and military adventurism. Long live the duopoly!

[CAA Flagship]

Democrats lose ground with millennials - Reuters/Ipsos poll



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29

On hand that’s a good thing as the Democratic Party has become a grotesque representation of the establishment mixed with illiberal PC. On the other, they’re favoring a party that is equally irresponsible regarding fiscal responsibility and military adventurism. Long live the duopoly!

It's the awakening of the next generation. This time it's the Millennials. The worms are becoming butterflies. They are realizing that jobs are the single most important issue (other than safety) that the government can influence.

[kalm]

On hand that’s a good thing as the Democratic Party has become a grotesque representation of the establishment mixed with illiberal PC. On the other, they’re favoring a party that is equally irresponsible regarding fiscal responsibility and military adventurism. Long live the duopoly!

It's the awakening of the next generation. This time it's the Millennials. The worms are becoming butterflies. They are realizing that jobs are the single most important issue (other than safety) that the government can influence.

The last two Democratic presidents were fairly decent at job creation and the Republicans aren't exactly knights in shining armour when it comes to wages, offshoring, etc. It might have as much to do with a tendency to be out of touch and lack of charismatic leadership on the Democratic side. It's kind of tough to rally behind Chuck Schumer, Pelosi, and Feinstein.

[Winterborn]

The last two Democratic presidents were fairly decent at job creation and the Republicans aren't exactly knights in shining armour when it comes to wages, offshoring, etc. It might have as much to do with a tendency to be out of touch and lack of charismatic leadership on the Democratic side. It's kind of tough to rally behind Chuck Schumer, Pelosi, and Feinstein.

Can't really blame them, the smell of embalming fluid is not pleasant.

[JohnStOnge]

As I've told you guys before, when it comes to the long term it's not the Democratic Party that has the big problems. The cultural and demographic trends favor the Democrats. It's just a matter of time.

There may or may not be a "Blue Wave" in 2018. But, inevitably, the Democrats are going to dominate in the end.

[93henfan]

As I've told you guys before, when it comes to the long term it's not the Democratic Party that has the big problems. The cultural and demographic trends favor the Democrats. It's just a matter of time.

There may or may not be a "Blue Wave" in 2018. But, inevitably, the Democrats are going to dominate in the end.

How many times can you keep saying the same shit?

I admire your persistence, but fuck me running. Get that Aspergers treated. My son has responded well to treatment and leads a pretty damn normal existence. It's not too late for you.

[Ivytalk]

As I've told you guys before, when it comes to the long term it's not the Democratic Party that has the big problems. The cultural and demographic trends favor the Democrats. It's just a matter of time.

There may or may not be a "Blue Wave" in 2018. But, inevitably, the Democrats are going to dominate in the end.

So, it comes down to which party can out-breed the other in an Electoral Fvck-a-thon. Is that what you’re saying?

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Democrats lose ground with millennials - Reuters/Ipsos poll

The online survey of more than 16,000 registered voters ages 18 to 34 shows their support for Democrats over Republicans for Congress slipped by about 9 percentage points over the past two years, to 46 percent overall. And they increasingly say the Republican Party is a better steward of the economy.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29

I'm a little weary of this poll as it's a) an unscientific online poll and b) it says 11,000 of 16,000 (68%) of millennial respondents were white when millennial demographics are 56% white. It also says the GOP gained 1% point of support while Democrats lost 9%...so if the poll is accurate, it may be that millennials don't like how the DNC is being run (I certainly don't), but aren't necessarily running to the GOP.

[CAA Flagship]

Democrats lose ground with millennials - Reuters/Ipsos poll



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29

I'm a little weary of this poll as it's a) an unscientific online poll and b) it says 11,000 of 16,000 (68%) of millennial respondents were white when millennial demographics are 56% white. It also says the GOP gained 1% point of support while Democrats lost 9%...so if the poll is accurate, it may be that millennials don't like how the DNC is being run (I certainly don't), but aren't necessarily running to the GOP.

Agree. I hate polls. But I love low unemployment and a strong economy and believe that it is a far more important issue than many people under 25 realize. 25-30 is the enlightenment age for many.