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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a (rainbow) flag and carrying a cross (of Venus).

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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a (rainbow) flag and carrying a cross (of Venus).

Yep. Tolerance. Of anything but a dissenting opinion.

Anything to keep bigotry and racism alive.

mrklean wrote:Anything to keep bigotry and racism alive.

Not the point


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mrklean wrote:Anything to keep bigotry and racism alive.

That's not the point. Freedom of Speech means freedom to say loving, respectful and honest statements and ideas JUST as much as it means freedom to say ignorant, hateful, dishonest statement and ideas.

Actually, to suggest that others shouldn't be allowed to say what the want is contrary to our founding principles and un-American. The very first right is that to speak freely and w/o fear that the government is going to punish you.

As I've mentioned before, the PC side of the left and college culture is a giant problem for me. Watching Milo on Maher, I found myself completely siding with him on the issue.

But this is a very strong and thought provoking article, hanging the anti PC right with Buckley among others. There indeed appears to be a bit of reverse triggering going on.

At the very least, I was not offended by the author's thoughts and felt no need to shout him down.

Thanks for sharing, Pwns.

kalm wrote: At the very least, I was not offended by the author's thoughts and felt no need to shout him down.

STFU

Nobody will read the article kalm... regardless of it's contents
Even Pwns who posted the article hasn't and won't read it



Why read about something you've already made up your mind about

kalm wrote:As I've mentioned before, the PC side of the left and college culture is a giant problem for me. Watching Milo on Maher, I found myself completely siding with him on the issue.

But this is a very strong and thought provoking article, hanging the anti PC right with Buckley among others. There indeed appears to be a bit of reverse triggering going on.

At the very least, I was not offended by the author's thoughts and felt no need to shout him down.

Thanks for sharing, Pwns.

The difference between the anti-PC right and the SJW left is that you won't find the former trying to disrupt a "diversity", "social justice", or "anti-racism" speaker to the point that the event has to be moved to a live stream.

Chizzang wrote:Nobody will read the article kalm... regardless of it's contents
Even Pwns who posted the article hasn't and won't read it



Why read about something you've already made up your mind about

I more thoroughly read that article than the author did Charles Murray's work, I know that much.

If you came across anything halfway cogent in that article I might've missed, let me know.

Well the article certainly missed the most important point...

College kids are mostly idiots
Have always been mostly idiots
and they will look back at their time in college and realize they were mostly idiots

Chizzang wrote:Well the article certainly missed the most important point...

College kids are mostly idiots
Have always been mostly idiots
and they will look back at their time in college and realize they were mostly idiots

This pretty much


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Well, when the base of the article comes from this point...

The critics of political correctness flatter themselves with paeans to their putative open-mindedness and cluck sadly at angry outbursts. Yes, certain ideas are wrong, they tell activists. But when you allow people to examine the various sides of a debate, those with the best command of facts and reason—that is, those who agree with us—will emerge victorious. The race scientists will go the way of flat-earthers. Islamophobia will be found contemptible. Hillary will win.

...it's hard to take it too seriously. Basically, because Trump won, which violates all logic and decency, then the gloves are off and there can be no civility.

I don't think there's ever good reason to "stamp out" speech you don't like, no matter how repugnant, except when it threatens someone's safety (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness stuff). A KKK guy holding a rally and demanding that they find someone to lynch? Yeah, that should be shut down. Some aging guy that said something racially controversial in a book in the '90's that nobody really read and even now who knows what he stands for? Yeah, probably didn't need to go all violent on that one.

Chizzang wrote:Well the article certainly missed the most important point...

College kids are mostly idiots
Have always been mostly idiots
and they will look back at their time in college and realize they were mostly idiots

The danger is when those kids do look back and decide that they weren't mostly idiots.

GannonFan wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Well the article certainly missed the most important point...

College kids are mostly idiots
Have always been mostly idiots
and they will look back at their time in college and realize they were mostly idiots

The danger is when those kids do look back and decide that they weren't mostly idiots.

meh... Yup it happens

Dick Cheney was able to draft dodge 5 consecutive times (as deferments)
And when he looked back he said he had no regrets
because he was (essentially) too important to fight for our country
and he went on to be a hero of the pro-war Right (explain that insanity..?)

either way
Kids grow up
and do what they will

GannonFan wrote:Well, when the base of the article comes from this point...

The critics of political correctness flatter themselves with paeans to their putative open-mindedness and cluck sadly at angry outbursts. Yes, certain ideas are wrong, they tell activists. But when you allow people to examine the various sides of a debate, those with the best command of facts and reason—that is, those who agree with us—will emerge victorious. The race scientists will go the way of flat-earthers. Islamophobia will be found contemptible. Hillary will win.

...it's hard to take it too seriously. Basically, because Trump won, which violates all logic and decency, then the gloves are off and there can be no civility.

I don't think there's ever good reason to "stamp out" speech you don't like, no matter how repugnant, except when it threatens someone's safety (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness stuff). A KKK guy holding a rally and demanding that they find someone to lynch? Yeah, that should be shut down. Some aging guy that said something racially controversial in a book in the '90's that nobody really read and even now who knows what he stands for? Yeah, probably didn't need to go all violent on that one.

Violence is the key. Protesting a speaker is after all just another form of speech.

Pwns wrote:

kalm wrote:As I've mentioned before, the PC side of the left and college culture is a giant problem for me. Watching Milo on Maher, I found myself completely siding with him on the issue.

But this is a very strong and thought provoking article, hanging the anti PC right with Buckley among others. There indeed appears to be a bit of reverse triggering going on.

At the very least, I was not offended by the author's thoughts and felt no need to shout him down.

Thanks for sharing, Pwns.

The difference between the anti-PC right and the SJW left is that you won't find the former trying to disrupt a "diversity", "social justice", or "anti-racism" speaker to the point that the event has to be moved to a live stream.

True.

Another difference is they rarely get the chance. You don't see campus Democrats inviting Sarah Silverman to Bob Jones University.

Chizzang wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
The danger is when those kids do look back and decide that they weren't mostly idiots.

meh... Yup it happens

Dick Cheney was able to draft dodge 5 consecutive times (as deferments)
And when he looked back he said he had no regrets
because he was (essentially) too important to fight for our country
and he went on to be a hero of the pro-war Right (explain that insanity..?)

either way
Kids grow up
and do what they will

Who was the person pouncing on me for "but Obama" again?

i forget


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Don't blame Obama for this crap!

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
meh... Yup it happens

Dick Cheney was able to draft dodge 5 consecutive times (as deferments)
And when he looked back he said he had no regrets
because he was (essentially) too important to fight for our country
and he went on to be a hero of the pro-war Right (explain that insanity..?)

either way
Kids grow up
and do what they will

Who was the person pouncing on me for "but Obama" again?

i forget

People forget who our hero's are (in reality...)
My point is "Even Dick Cheney was a stupid college kid" making decisions
like 'em love 'em or split the difference
it's a valid reminder of how we change (or don't)

Here try this one:
It'll fit your narrative better
Hilary wrote a paper in 1972 on Saul Alinsky

Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Who was the person pouncing on me for "but Obama" again?

i forget

People forget who our hero's are (in reality...)
My point is "Even Dick Cheney was a stupid college kid" making decisions
like 'em love 'em or split the difference
it's a valid reminder of how we change (or don't)

Here try this one:
It'll fit your narrative better
Hilary wrote a paper in 1972 on Saul Alinsky

she did?


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kalm wrote:As I've mentioned before, the PC side of the left and college culture is a giant problem for me. Watching Milo on Maher, I found myself completely siding with him on the issue.

But this is a very strong and thought provoking article, hanging the anti PC right with Buckley among others. There indeed appears to be a bit of reverse triggering going on.

At the very least, I was not offended by the author's thoughts and felt no need to shout him down.

Thanks for sharing, Pwns.

Exactly. If damaged people like Milo want to say stupid shit at their own expense, let them self-destruct away

mrklean wrote:Don't blame Obama for this crap!

read first, klit


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CID1990 wrote:

mrklean wrote:Don't blame Obama for this crap!

read first, klit


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I trusting that some repuke will say this

mrklean wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
read first, klit


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I trusting that some repuke will say this

I'm


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Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Who was the person pouncing on me for "but Obama" again?

i forget

People forget who our hero's are (in reality...)
My point is "Even Dick Cheney was a stupid college kid" making decisions
like 'em love 'em or split the difference
it's a valid reminder of how we change (or don't)

Here try this one:
It'll fit your narrative better
Hilary wrote a paper in 1972 on Saul Alinsky

*heroes
*Hillary