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Mukasey said if there were a wiretap on Trump Tower, it would mean that there was suspicion someone had been acting as Russian agent.
"It means there was some basis to believe that somebody in Trump Tower may have been acting as an agent of the Russians for whatever purpose,” he said. “Not necessarily the election, but for some purpose.”
Really...ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I dont want to see them
But its a no brainer that Obama tapped the Tower.
Since the Obama Surveillance State tapped Angela Merkel as well as 34 other world leaders phones, James Rosen, the AP, and God knows who else, I don't think that, despite the manufactured outrage, it would surprise anyone that the phones in Trump Tower were also tapped.GannonFan wrote:It's amazing the amount of information we simply don't know. We've been told it's absolutely clear that the Russians influenced the election, possibly even tipping the election to the winner, but we're not told details on how and who was involved. We're just supposed to know that we know. It's in that vacuum of information that really any speculation can be considered valid. Heck, it's probably very likely in that regard then that not only was Trump wiretapped, but likely the Clinton camp as well. How could we know the election was impacted without that kind of access? Couple that with the paranoia now that has swept many that any mention of contact with the Russian spectre is proof positive of treasonous collusion and we're in an incredibly crazy time in American politics, with no real idea of how we're going to get out of it. Crazy times indeed.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised either, except they did seek a FISA warrant back in the summer for Trump Tower and were shot down because it mentioned Trump specifically (because probably the evidence building probable cause didn't point specifically at him - but that does suggest a political slant to it). Then they dropped Trump from the warrant. I'm not sure if it was granted at that point. So it sounds like they were at least trying to jump through the right hoops.Baldy wrote:Since the Obama Surveillance State tapped Angela Merkel as well as 34 other world leaders phones, James Rosen, the AP, and God knows who else, I don't think that, despite the manufactured outrage, it would surprise anyone that the phones in Trump Tower were also tapped.GannonFan wrote:It's amazing the amount of information we simply don't know. We've been told it's absolutely clear that the Russians influenced the election, possibly even tipping the election to the winner, but we're not told details on how and who was involved. We're just supposed to know that we know. It's in that vacuum of information that really any speculation can be considered valid. Heck, it's probably very likely in that regard then that not only was Trump wiretapped, but likely the Clinton camp as well. How could we know the election was impacted without that kind of access? Couple that with the paranoia now that has swept many that any mention of contact with the Russian spectre is proof positive of treasonous collusion and we're in an incredibly crazy time in American politics, with no real idea of how we're going to get out of it. Crazy times indeed.
This is exactly what I was talking about.CID1990 wrote:Actually, I wouldn't be surprised either, except they did seek a FISA warrant back in the summer for Trump Tower and were shot down because it mentioned Trump specifically (because probably the evidence building probable cause didn't point specifically at him - but that does suggest a political slant to it). Then they dropped Trump from the warrant. I'm not sure if it was granted at that point. So it sounds like they were at least trying to jump through the right hoops.Baldy wrote: Since the Obama Surveillance State tapped Angela Merkel as well as 34 other world leaders phones, James Rosen, the AP, and God knows who else, I don't think that, despite the manufactured outrage, it would surprise anyone that the phones in Trump Tower were also tapped.
But then there's the ever truthful Clapper who sez it didn't happen.... he seems to be the most referenced dude in all this lately. Maybe his honesty has been rehabilitated.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/t ... mey-235709President Donald Trump does not accept an assertion from FBI Director James Comey that former President Barack Obama did not order an illegal wiretap of Trump Tower during last year’s presidential campaign, a White House spokeswoman said Monday.
Trump leveled the explosive accusation on Twitter over the weekend, delivering it without any evidence. Through a spokesman, Obama has flatly denied the charge, as has James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence under Obama. White House officials have yet to offer any proof to back Trump’s claim, instead suggesting that the matter should be investigated.
And while Comey has not publicly addressed Trump’s allegation, multiple media outlets have reported that he asked the Department of Justice to knock down the president’s accusation because it suggests that the FBI broke the law by carrying out the alleged wiretap.
Asked by ABC “Good Morning America” host George Stephanopoulos if Trump was willing to accept the denial of his FBI director, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said he was not.
“You know, I don't think he does, George,” Sanders said. “I think he firmly believes that this is a storyline that has been reported pretty widely by quite a few outlets. The wiretapping has been discussed in The New York Times, BBC, Fox News and we believe that it should be looked at by the House Intelligence Committee.”
There's a difference between what we don't know and aren't being told. I like to believe we aren't being told everything.GannonFan wrote:It's amazing the amount of information we simply don't know. We've been told it's absolutely clear that the Russians influenced the election, possibly even tipping the election to the winner, but we're not told details on how and who was involved. We're just supposed to know that we know. It's in that vacuum of information that really any speculation can be considered valid. Heck, it's probably very likely in that regard then that not only was Trump wiretapped, but likely the Clinton camp as well. How could we know the election was impacted without that kind of access? Couple that with the paranoia now that has swept many that any mention of contact with the Russian spectre is proof positive of treasonous collusion and we're in an incredibly crazy time in American politics, with no real idea of how we're going to get out of it. Crazy times indeed.
You can't be that STUPIDALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I dont want to see them
But its a no brainer that Obama tapped the Tower.
kalm wrote:They left him alone with his phone for few hours. You can't do that...
His handlers have literally admitted that. He's similar to Burgundy with a TelePrompTer...Chizzang wrote:kalm wrote:They left him alone with his phone for few hours. You can't do that...
That's great, but it doesn't solve anything. We were clearly listening to Flynn's conversation with the Russian ambassador prior to the new administration taking over so there's little doubt that we were wiretapping parts of the Trump campaign. Whether we got actual tape of Trump or not is still to be revealed. But we're at a point that the left is saying any contact at any time with the Russians is grounds for removal from office and the GOP - or at least Trump's portion of it - is saying that they were wiretapped and that the sharing of those wiretaps or the information for them went way outside the normal clearance levels for such work, and considering the amount of anonymous leaks these days that seems fairly credible. Nobody looks good right now - the left looks like they're hyperventilating over anything and the right looks like Trump. It's a messy time and no one seems to be capable of clearing things up.Ibanez wrote:There's a difference between what we don't know and aren't being told. I like to believe we aren't being told everything.GannonFan wrote:It's amazing the amount of information we simply don't know. We've been told it's absolutely clear that the Russians influenced the election, possibly even tipping the election to the winner, but we're not told details on how and who was involved. We're just supposed to know that we know. It's in that vacuum of information that really any speculation can be considered valid. Heck, it's probably very likely in that regard then that not only was Trump wiretapped, but likely the Clinton camp as well. How could we know the election was impacted without that kind of access? Couple that with the paranoia now that has swept many that any mention of contact with the Russian spectre is proof positive of treasonous collusion and we're in an incredibly crazy time in American politics, with no real idea of how we're going to get out of it. Crazy times indeed.