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Repeal-only fails.

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Neeeext... :lol:
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conks made themselves out to be one big laughingstock with this epic failure to repeal Obamacare. :rofl:

Just goes to show there is no difference between conks and donks. Both want big wasteful and incompetent government. :dunce:
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Conks. Smfh...
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It's a tricky situation for an incumbent politician...
You're likely to get re-elected if you do nothing and say nothing and accomplish nothing

even if those "nothings" completely contradict your previous re-election campaign promises

BUT:
If you actually do something you become exposed
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As usual, Washington spends a lot of time ignoring problems rather than cutting to the heart of it.

Obamacare didn't address it either. The majority of Americans under 65 have a health plan that is provided by their employers, NOT Obamacare or anything Congress is wasting time over currently.

Healthcare has been going up at a faster % than college costs for crying out loud - but no, let's not worry about that mountain, those people have jobs, they can afford to pay more. God damn mooks in the Beltway have no concept of reality....
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bluehenbillk wrote:As usual, Washington spends a lot of time ignoring problems rather than cutting to the heart of it.

Obamacare didn't address it either. The majority of Americans under 65 have a health plan that is provided by their employers, NOT Obamacare or anything Congress is wasting time over currently.
Obama tried to address it with a public option - but, Leiberman blocked it.
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Now Republicans hold press conference to announce they will vote for "skinny repeal" under one condition: assurance that the House won't pass it.
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Hypocrites, except for maybe Collins, as she at least voted against same full repeal in 2015.

McCain:
Voted against Obamacare 2009.
Voted for full full repeal 2015.
Voted against same full repeal 2017.

Lamar Alexander (TN)
Voted against Obamacare 2009.
Voted for full full repeal 2015.
Voted against same full repeal 2017.

Lisa Murkowski (AK)
Voted against Obamacare 2009.
Voted for full full repeal 2015.
Voted against same full repeal 2017.

Susan Collins (ME)
Voted against Obamacare 2009
Voted against full repeal 2015
Voted against same full repeal 2017.

Rob Portman (OH)
Not in office 2009.
Voted for full full repeal 2015.
Voted against same full repeal 2017.

Shelly Capito (AK)
Not in office 2009.
Voted for full full repeal 2015.
Voted against same full repeal 2017.

Dick Heller (NV)
Not in office 2009
Voted for full full repeal 2015
Voted against same full repeal 2017
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Cornyn on the Senate floor blaming Obama for Texas not expanding Medicaid. This shit is rich. :rofl:
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Cornyn on the Senate floor blaming Obama for Texas not expanding Medicaid. This shit is rich. :rofl:
That's good. But Graham's, " This [bill] is a fraud" and then voting for it was downright hilarious.
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The problem is that the majority of the population now favors keeping the ACA. I'm not saying that's a good thing. I don't think it's good that we've accepted the premise that health care is a right. But it is what it is.
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Key for conks now is don't do anything to try to help Obamacare or to fix any problems..
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JohnStOnge wrote:The problem is that the majority of the population now favors keeping the ACA. I'm not saying that's a good thing. I don't think it's good that we've accepted the premise that health care is a right. But it is what it is.
If you could think better you'd get that what isn't good is having your health competing with company profits. :coffee:
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BDKJMU wrote:Key for conks now is don't do anything to try to help Obamacare or to fix any problems..
Not doing anything is what they excel at. :coffee:

Thats why they have nothing after eight years of sniveling about the Heritage Foundation plan. :coffee:


Or thirty years of investigating Hillary Clinton. :rofl:
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houndawg wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:The problem is that the majority of the population now favors keeping the ACA. I'm not saying that's a good thing. I don't think it's good that we've accepted the premise that health care is a right. But it is what it is.
If you could think better you'd get that what isn't good is having your health competing with company profits. :coffee:
How about the idea that you help the economy grow so that more people can become employed so they can pay for their own health insurance? THEN have the government help those who can't help themselves.

Nah, can't do that. Nobody would vote for Democrats without goodies from the "Free Tree". :ohno: :ohno:
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JohnStOnge wrote:The problem is that the majority of the population now favors keeping the ACA. I'm not saying that's a good thing. I don't think it's good that we've accepted the premise that health care is a right. But it is what it is.
Not according to the RCP latest Obamacare Aprroval Polls average. According to 4 June/July polls its 45.2% approve, 42.8% disapprove. So while aprrove is +2.5 % over disapprove, it's still not a plurality.
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot ... -1130.html
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CAA Flagship wrote:
houndawg wrote:
If you could think better you'd get that what isn't good is having your health competing with company profits. :coffee:
How about the idea that you help the economy grow so that more people can become employed so they can pay for their own health insurance? THEN have the government help those who can't help themselves.

Nah, can't do that. Nobody would vote for Democrats without goodies from the "Free Tree". :ohno: :ohno:
Please. :tothehand:

Millions of high paying manufacturing jobs are coming back. :coffee:
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CAA Flagship wrote:
houndawg wrote:
If you could think better you'd get that what isn't good is having your health competing with company profits. :coffee:
How about the idea that you help the economy grow so that more people can become employed so they can pay for their own health insurance? THEN have the government help those who can't help themselves.

Nah, can't do that. Nobody would vote for Democrats without goodies from the "Free Tree". :ohno: :ohno:
Ayn Rand ^ nicely paraphrased

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BDKJMU wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:The problem is that the majority of the population now favors keeping the ACA. I'm not saying that's a good thing. I don't think it's good that we've accepted the premise that health care is a right. But it is what it is.
Not according to the RCP latest Obamacare Aprroval Polls average. According to 4 June/July polls its 45.2% approve, 42.8% disapprove. So while aprrove is +2.5 % over disapprove, it's still not a plurality.
https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot ... -1130.html
I hadn't seen that but I think what you meant is that it's not a majority. It probably IS a plurality. I looked at the results up at the page you linked right now and, while I haven't run calculations, it looks like it's close enough so that you can't really tell which "side" is actually "ahead."

But it's still the case where we don't have a situation where it's clear that the United States People want the ACA repealed. Also, I think it's pretty clear that a majority DID oppose what the Republicans were trying to do. I don't know if they even knew what the Republicans were trying to do. I know I was pretty uncertain about that myself. But there was not a lot of popular support for what the Republicans were doing.
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Chizzang wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: How about the idea that you help the economy grow so that more people can become employed so they can pay for their own health insurance? THEN have the government help those who can't help themselves.

Nah, can't do that. Nobody would vote for Democrats without goodies from the "Free Tree". :ohno: :ohno:
Ayn Rand ^ nicely paraphrased

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I think this is kind of a study in public psychology. Look at the RCP graphic below. Public disapproval of the ACA was high through most of the time period represented. But then when election results created a situation such that the ACA was threatened the disapproval declined.

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JohnStOnge wrote:I think this is kind of a study in public psychology. Look at the RCP graphic below. Public disapproval of the ACA was high through most of the time period represented. But then when election results created a situation such that the ACA was threatened the disapproval declined.

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Obviously an economic outcome
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houndawg wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: How about the idea that you help the economy grow so that more people can become employed so they can pay for their own health insurance? THEN have the government help those who can't help themselves.

Nah, can't do that. Nobody would vote for Democrats without goodies from the "Free Tree". :ohno: :ohno:
Please. :tothehand:

Millions of high paying manufacturing jobs are coming back. :coffee:
Exactly my first thought. Plus, Apple, Ford, Buck Knives need the free tree so that the 47% can keep buying their goods while not being able to afford care. :lol:

And please define affordable health insurance cause it sure as shit ain't happening under the ACA and it's not as if they'd roll back the premiums if the Republicans repealed it.
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houndawg wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Key for conks now is don't do anything to try to help Obamacare or to fix any problems..
Not doing anything is what they excel at. :coffee:

Thats why they have nothing after eight years of sniveling about the Heritage Foundation plan. :coffee:
This.

The question now is are conks smart enough to move onto something else, or will they keep wasting their time on Obamacare like the donks did prior to Obama's first mid-term election. If conks get tax reform passed ( :lol: :lol: :lol: ) maybe they can salvage some seats in October '18.

conks. :rofl:
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