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At least he's tied with the Gipper...

For all you triggered, snowflake, cucks... he's also tied for worst...

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/j ... poll-of-g/

Absence makes the (Donk) heart grow fonder!

kalm wrote:At least he's tied with the Gipper...

For all you triggered, snowflake, cucks... he's also tied for worst...

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/j ... poll-of-g/

He will go down as a great American Leader

mrklean wrote: He will go down as an elected American official

FIFY

yep. He would have won a third term in a landslide.

houndawg wrote:yep. He would have won a third term in a landslide.

Thanks to besotted low-information voters.

Greatest Black President of all-time.

bluehenbillk wrote:Greatest Black President of all-time.

Better than Bill Clinton?

ASUG8 wrote:

bluehenbillk wrote:Greatest Black President of all-time.

Better than Bill Clinton?

Clinton grabbed more pussy.

In my book he is one of the best in some areas, and one of the worst in others. His bad attributes were mainly due to inexperience and a touch of ego. His good attributes were due to his personable nature and I think a genuine kindness that I liked.

He's very much like John Quincy Adams - smart guy, great credentials, good looking and personable, good ideas, yet also lacking in the ability to use those attributes fully in the political spectrum, unable to put much in place, either through his own failings or the resistance of the other party in Washington, and unfortunately way too associated with an entrenched, self-serving and self-perpetuating political elite in Washington. And oddly, both were replaced by what could be considered the two most populist Presidents we've ever had in first Jackson and now Trump. I think 93 said it before and I agree, Obama will be one of the most disappointing Presidents we've had because he had so much potential and delivered (both by his fault and by others) on so little of it. Incoming expectations for him were probably always unreasonable.

GannonFan wrote:He's very much like John Quincy Adams - smart guy, great credentials, good looking and personable, good ideas, yet also lacking in the ability to use those attributes fully in the political spectrum, unable to put much in place, either through his own failings or the resistance of the other party in Washington, and unfortunately way too associated with an entrenched, self-serving and self-perpetuating political elite in Washington. And oddly, both were replaced by what could be considered the two most populist Presidents we've ever had in first Jackson and now Trump. I think 93 said it before and I agree, Obama will be one of the most disappointing Presidents we've had because he had so much potential and delivered (both by his fault and by others) on so little of it. Incoming expectations for him were probably always unreasonable.

He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know.

mrklean wrote:

GannonFan wrote:He's very much like John Quincy Adams - smart guy, great credentials, good looking and personable, good ideas, yet also lacking in the ability to use those attributes fully in the political spectrum, unable to put much in place, either through his own failings or the resistance of the other party in Washington, and unfortunately way too associated with an entrenched, self-serving and self-perpetuating political elite in Washington. And oddly, both were replaced by what could be considered the two most populist Presidents we've ever had in first Jackson and now Trump. I think 93 said it before and I agree, Obama will be one of the most disappointing Presidents we've had because he had so much potential and delivered (both by his fault and by others) on so little of it. Incoming expectations for him were probably always unreasonable.

He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know.

He did have a difficult Congress, however he also decided to go it alone. He had great potential but his ego and refusal to work with the opposition party crippled him. Imagine what our leaders could do if they compromised and acted like statesmen.

I forget who said it, but an interview long ago said the biggest problem with Obama was his own arrogance. I can see that.

CID1990 wrote:In my book he is one of the best in some areas, and one of the worst in others. His bad attributes were mainly due to inexperience and a shytload of ego. His good attributes were due to his personable nature and I think a genuine kindness (????) that I liked.

FIFY.

Honestly, CID, I never saw the kindness part of the guy. Maybe he was close to his family, but beyond that, it was all cold calculation for political benefit.

Ibanez wrote:

mrklean wrote:
He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know.

He did have a difficult Congress, however he also decided to go it alone. He had great potential but his ego and refusal to work with the opposition party crippled him. Imagine what our leaders could do if they compromised and acted like statesmen.

I forget who said it, but an interview long ago said the biggest problem with Obama was his own arrogance. I can see that.

I agree with Ibanez here, Obama made very little, if any attempt to work with that Congress, and in many ways just made the situation worse. Way too many soundbites at the start of his administration mocking that he didn't need the GOP for anything, and then personally calling out individuals for what was basically the political version of roasting (he did that to Eric Cantor I think especially). And he deferred way too much early one to two very hyper-partisan leaders in Congress in Pelosi and Reid and allowed the tone in Congress to sink even further as a result. He was the Executive, he was supposed to be a leader, and he didn't do nearly enough in that regard to escape some amount of blame for the outcome. The GOP Congress deserves much of the derision they get, but Obama played a significant role in it too.

Ibanez wrote:

mrklean wrote:
He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know.

He did have a difficult Congress, however he also decided to go it alone. He had great potential but his ego and refusal to work with the opposition party crippled him. Imagine what our leaders could do if they compromised and acted like statesmen.

I forget who said it, but an interview long ago said the biggest problem with Obama was his own arrogance. I can see that.

Do you think Republicans were willing to compromise? The frequent criticism from the left is that Obama started negotiations from the middle which left no room to go anywhere but further right which he was unwilling to do.

mrklean wrote:

GannonFan wrote:He's very much like John Quincy Adams - smart guy, great credentials, good looking and personable, good ideas, yet also lacking in the ability to use those attributes fully in the political spectrum, unable to put much in place, either through his own failings or the resistance of the other party in Washington, and unfortunately way too associated with an entrenched, self-serving and self-perpetuating political elite in Washington. And oddly, both were replaced by what could be considered the two most populist Presidents we've ever had in first Jackson and now Trump. I think 93 said it before and I agree, Obama will be one of the most disappointing Presidents we've had because he had so much potential and delivered (both by his fault and by others) on so little of it. Incoming expectations for him were probably always unreasonable.

He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know.

Clown boy came into office and thought of himself as a king instead of a President.

Typical egomaniac...elections have consequences...I don't need to work with Republicans...etc.

Obama could have brought people together, but his first words were divisive and tyrannical. He basked in his own self grandeur and expected everyone to bend to his will. Funny, the people who talk so much about Trumps' ego are simply upset that the nation rejected Obama's.

Obama will be known as the biggest disappointment in the President's office. CHANGE.

We've changed all right.

Reagan worked with a partisan congress. Otherwise known as being a compromising pussy...

kalm wrote:

Ibanez wrote: He did have a difficult Congress, however he also decided to go it alone. He had great potential but his ego and refusal to work with the opposition party crippled him. Imagine what our leaders could do if they compromised and acted like statesmen.

I forget who said it, but an interview long ago said the biggest problem with Obama was his own arrogance. I can see that.

Do you think Republicans were willing to compromise? The frequent criticism from the left is that Obama started negotiations from the middle which left no room to go anywhere but further right which he was unwilling to do.

It's a two way street. Both parties appeal to their extremes at the expense of the moderates.

If Obama had to go right, then he should have. He wasn't the President of only the people who voted for him.

kalm wrote:

Ibanez wrote: He did have a difficult Congress, however he also decided to go it alone. He had great potential but his ego and refusal to work with the opposition party crippled him. Imagine what our leaders could do if they compromised and acted like statesmen.

I forget who said it, but an interview long ago said the biggest problem with Obama was his own arrogance. I can see that.

Do you think Republicans were willing to compromise? The frequent criticism from the left is that Obama started negotiations from the middle which left no room to go anywhere but further right which he was unwilling to do.

That's true to a point, but it's the same thing as saying he didn't negotiate at all - he presented his position and expected people to agree. It's not really an effective negotiating method if you're trying to accomplish something.

GannonFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
Do you think Republicans were willing to compromise? The frequent criticism from the left is that Obama started negotiations from the middle which left no room to go anywhere but further right which he was unwilling to do.

That's true to a point, but it's the same thing as saying he didn't negotiate at all - he presented his position and expected people to agree. It's not really an effective negotiating method if you're trying to accomplish something.

I agree. Go back to where I said he was too arrogant. Everyone in DC wants it 100% their way. You can't have that. You have to give and take.

bluehenbillk wrote:Greatest Black President of all-time.

Also greatest half white president of all time..

GannonFan wrote:He's very much like John Quincy Adams - smart guy, great credentials, good looking and personable, good ideas, yet also lacking in the ability to use those attributes fully in the political spectrum, unable to put much in place, either through his own failings or the resistance of the other party in Washington, and unfortunately way too associated with an entrenched, self-serving and self-perpetuating political elite in Washington. And oddly, both were replaced by what could be considered the two most populist Presidents we've ever had in first Jackson and now Trump. I think 93 said it before and I agree, Obama will be one of the most disappointing Presidents we've had because he had so much potential and delivered (both by his fault and by others) on so little of it. Incoming expectations for him were probably always unreasonable.

He was one of the if not the most least qualified & experienced ever to step foot in the WH. Unless by 'credentials' you are referring to something other than resume/experience?

mrklean wrote:

GannonFan wrote:He's very much like John Quincy Adams - smart guy, great credentials, good looking and personable, good ideas, yet also lacking in the ability to use those attributes fully in the political spectrum, unable to put much in place, either through his own failings or the resistance of the other party in Washington, and unfortunately way too associated with an entrenched, self-serving and self-perpetuating political elite in Washington. And oddly, both were replaced by what could be considered the two most populist Presidents we've ever had in first Jackson and now Trump. I think 93 said it before and I agree, Obama will be one of the most disappointing Presidents we've had because he had so much potential and delivered (both by his fault and by others) on so little of it. Incoming expectations for him were probably always unreasonable.

He had a congress that refused to work with him on most of his ideas. Remember his jobs bill that the GOP shot down. Image how many people could have been put to work under that bill? But we will never know.

There's that excuse again of a GOP Congress that refused to work with Obama. The GOP only controlled the Congress for Obama's last 2 years in office.

Obama entered office, as has already been pointed out, with an uncompromising arrogance. But for his 1st 2 years in office that uncompromising arrogance shouldn't have mattered, because he not only had a majority in Congress but a near supermajority (and briefly held a super majority) and should have been able to get passed virtually anything he and the donks wanted passed. But they didn't because of Obama's inexperience & leadership failure (Ex as has been pointed out let Pelosi/Reid write Obamacare)

The next 4 years Congress was split. It wasn't a GOP controlled Congress until his last 2 years. By sure the GOP Congress was intransigent, but so was Obama, who'd already poisoned the atmosphere with his "elections have consequences' arrogance early on. The failure to compromise & get stuff done was at least half on Obama.

kalm wrote:Reagan worked with a partisan congress. Otherwise known as being a compromising pussy...

And when he did, it caused a political backstabbing that could argued was the beginning of the "no compromise" culture we see now

I'm referring to the amnesty in return for border security deal.