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Reminded to start this. The thing I was most wrong about early on during the Republican primaries is thinking that White Evangelical Christians would never support Trump in numbers sufficient for him to win. I look at White Evangelical Christians as the voting block Republicans depend on most. Kind of like the Democrats depend on the Black voting block. I did not think they would rally behind someone so obviously contrary to their purported values as Trump is.

But I was wrong. In fact, they supported Trump to a greater extent than they supported G.W. Bush in 2004, John McCain in 2008, or Mitt Romney in 2012. Here's the extent to which they supported the Republican candidate during each of those years:



So they run around telling us about Jesus and sweetness and love and light. But when it comes down to it they support a vile, hedonist con man who has spent his life scamming people including things like scamming people out of their lifes' savings AND who also set new standards for dishonesty and general atrocious behavior during a national campaign to a greater extent than they supported three decent men.

I've defended White Evangelical Christians in the past. But no more. The overwhelming majority of them are hypocrites who will sell out and throw their principles out the window in a heartbeat. They clearly are more loyal to a political party then they are to the God they insist exists and must be honored because they sure as hell didn't honor the God they describe through their actions during this election.

And yes I've heard the rationalizations. None of them fly. They are either lying to us or lying to themselves when they try to justify what they just did. They more than any other group are responsible for the atrocity that just unfolded.

KISS

They were voting against Hillary Clinton.

In the name of the Father,.......

Hmmm...stack the Supreme Court and save defenseless unborn babies, or...



Jesus would have voted for Trump.

Check this out for perspective about how important the White Evangelical Hypocrites were:

The remainder of Whites...the ones who are NOT White Evangelical Christians...favored Clinton by 49% to 44%.

BTW I should say that not ALL White Evangelical Christians are hypocrites. My wife, as you know, resigned her position on the Republican State Central Committee over Trump. My son and daughter are both White Evangelical Christians and they didn't vote for him. They did not sell out.

It's the 81% who voted for Trump that are the sell outs and hypocrites. And, unfortunately, that means rational people have to look at White Evangelical Christians as a group as a negative influence on the country. They need to be opposed. Obviously others concluded that a long time ago and I disagreed with them until I was forced to see those people as what they are during this election cycle. I was wrong. They're a problem.

Isn't hypocrites a bit redundant in the header
Are there white evangelicals that aren't..?



It's their defining characteristic

What the heck I'll go ahead and broaden it: You take the 26% of voters who were White Evangelical Christians out of the equation and the rest of the country favored Clinton over Trump by 59% to 35%.

Those hypocritical bastards imposed this disaster on the rest of us. They are the enemy. Their influence needs to be diminished. They need to be defeated.

Chizzang wrote:Isn't hypocrites a bit redundant in the header
Are there white evangelicals that aren't..?

Yes there are. My wife is one of them. But if you're going to say that the overwhelming majority of them are hypocrites I have been forced by events to come around to your point of view. This was a big test of their integrity and they failed it miserably.

JohnStOnge wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Isn't hypocrites a bit redundant in the header
Are there white evangelicals that aren't..?

Yes there are. My wife is one of them. But if you're going to say that the overwhelming majority of them are hypocrites I have been forced by events to come around to your point of view. This was a big test of their integrity and they failed it miserably.

So your wife voted for Jill Stein?

kalm wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
Yes there are. My wife is one of them. But if you're going to say that the overwhelming majority of them are hypocrites I have been forced by events to come around to your point of view. This was a big test of their integrity and they failed it miserably.

So your wife voted for Jill Stein?

You get 'em Kalm..!!!

JSO needs a safe space.

His wife believes in the tooth fairy, he is living a lie with her because he thinks her dog isn't worth crying about, and he just spent the last few months throwing out every single one of his core beliefs, and he is a racist.

JFC, what a train wreck.

JohnStOnge wrote:Reminded to start this. The thing I was most wrong about early on during the Republican primaries is thinking that White Evangelical Christians would never support Trump in numbers sufficient for him to win. I look at White Evangelical Christians as the voting block Republicans depend on most. Kind of like the Democrats depend on the Black voting block. I did not think they would rally behind someone so obviously contrary to their purported values as Trump is.

But I was wrong. In fact, they supported Trump to a greater extent than they supported G.W. Bush in 2004, John McCain in 2008, or Mitt Romney in 2012. Here's the extent to which they supported the Republican candidate during each of those years:



So they run around telling us about Jesus and sweetness and love and light. But when it comes down to it they support a vile, hedonist con man who has spent his life scamming people including things like scamming people out of their lifes' savings AND who also set new standards for dishonesty and general atrocious behavior during a national campaign to a greater extent than they supported three decent men.

I've defended White Evangelical Christians in the past. But no more. The overwhelming majority of them are hypocrites who will sell out and throw their principles out the window in a heartbeat. They clearly are more loyal to a political party then they are to the God they insist exists and must be honored because they sure as hell didn't honor the God they describe through their actions during this election.

And yes I've heard the rationalizations. None of them fly. They are either lying to us or lying to themselves when they try to justify what they just did. They more than any other group are responsible for the atrocity that just unfolded.

your angst is my abrosia


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CID1990 wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:Reminded to start this. The thing I was most wrong about early on during the Republican primaries is thinking that White Evangelical Christians would never support Trump in numbers sufficient for him to win. I look at White Evangelical Christians as the voting block Republicans depend on most. Kind of like the Democrats depend on the Black voting block. I did not think they would rally behind someone so obviously contrary to their purported values as Trump is.

But I was wrong. In fact, they supported Trump to a greater extent than they supported G.W. Bush in 2004, John McCain in 2008, or Mitt Romney in 2012. Here's the extent to which they supported the Republican candidate during each of those years:



So they run around telling us about Jesus and sweetness and love and light. But when it comes down to it they support a vile, hedonist con man who has spent his life scamming people including things like scamming people out of their lifes' savings AND who also set new standards for dishonesty and general atrocious behavior during a national campaign to a greater extent than they supported three decent men.

I've defended White Evangelical Christians in the past. But no more. The overwhelming majority of them are hypocrites who will sell out and throw their principles out the window in a heartbeat. They clearly are more loyal to a political party then they are to the God they insist exists and must be honored because they sure as hell didn't honor the God they describe through their actions during this election.

And yes I've heard the rationalizations. None of them fly. They are either lying to us or lying to themselves when they try to justify what they just did. They more than any other group are responsible for the atrocity that just unfolded.

your angst is my abrosia


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I have no idea what abrosia is, but I totally agree!

JSO's angst is my abrosia too!!

JohnStOnge wrote:Reminded to start this. The thing I was most wrong about early on during the Republican primaries is thinking that White Evangelical Christians would never support Trump in numbers sufficient for him to win. I look at White Evangelical Christians as the voting block Republicans depend on most. Kind of like the Democrats depend on the Black voting block. I did not think they would rally behind someone so obviously contrary to their purported values as Trump is.

But I was wrong. In fact, they supported Trump to a greater extent than they supported G.W. Bush in 2004, John McCain in 2008, or Mitt Romney in 2012. Here's the extent to which they supported the Republican candidate during each of those years:



So they run around telling us about Jesus and sweetness and love and light. But when it comes down to it they support a vile, hedonist con man who has spent his life scamming people including things like scamming people out of their lifes' savings AND who also set new standards for dishonesty and general atrocious behavior during a national campaign to a greater extent than they supported three decent men.

I've defended White Evangelical Christians in the past. But no more. The overwhelming majority of them are hypocrites who will sell out and throw their principles out the window in a heartbeat. They clearly are more loyal to a political party then they are to the God they insist exists and must be honored because they sure as hell didn't honor the God they describe through their actions during this election.

And yes I've heard the rationalizations. None of them fly. They are either lying to us or lying to themselves when they try to justify what they just did. They more than any other group are responsible for the atrocity that just unfolded.

John.

At least a dozen of us have been telling you this for years.

houndawg wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:Reminded to start this. The thing I was most wrong about early on during the Republican primaries is thinking that White Evangelical Christians would never support Trump in numbers sufficient for him to win. I look at White Evangelical Christians as the voting block Republicans depend on most. Kind of like the Democrats depend on the Black voting block. I did not think they would rally behind someone so obviously contrary to their purported values as Trump is.

But I was wrong. In fact, they supported Trump to a greater extent than they supported G.W. Bush in 2004, John McCain in 2008, or Mitt Romney in 2012. Here's the extent to which they supported the Republican candidate during each of those years:



So they run around telling us about Jesus and sweetness and love and light. But when it comes down to it they support a vile, hedonist con man who has spent his life scamming people including things like scamming people out of their lifes' savings AND who also set new standards for dishonesty and general atrocious behavior during a national campaign to a greater extent than they supported three decent men.

I've defended White Evangelical Christians in the past. But no more. The overwhelming majority of them are hypocrites who will sell out and throw their principles out the window in a heartbeat. They clearly are more loyal to a political party then they are to the God they insist exists and must be honored because they sure as hell didn't honor the God they describe through their actions during this election.

And yes I've heard the rationalizations. None of them fly. They are either lying to us or lying to themselves when they try to justify what they just did. They more than any other group are responsible for the atrocity that just unfolded.

John.

At least a dozen of us have been telling you this for years.

When Trump went down to Lynchburg and started nuzzling up to J-Fal Jr, I just lol'ed. I knew he secured himself a couple of million free votes just by holding his nose and doing it. Genius move on the Trumpster's part.

And let's not just bash the honkies. Trump worked the niggras in the Rustbelt too! Troll level 11. Fucking brilliant!!

It turns out that there's a reason Christians voted overwhelmingly for Trump. I was informed this weekend (after having voted for Palin) that a couple of years ago (before Trump even bothered forming an exploratory committee) Trump converted to Christianity. That was at least ONE of the things these voters were looking at.

93henfan wrote:KISS

They were voting against Hillary Clinton.

That was a lot of analysis for what could be said in one sentence.

JohnStOnge wrote:Reminded to start this. The thing I was most wrong about early on during the Republican primaries is thinking that White Evangelical Christians would never support Trump in numbers sufficient for him to win. I look at White Evangelical Christians as the voting block Republicans depend on most. Kind of like the Democrats depend on the Black voting block. I did not think they would rally behind someone so obviously contrary to their purported values as Trump is.

But I was wrong. In fact, they supported Trump to a greater extent than they supported G.W. Bush in 2004, John McCain in 2008, or Mitt Romney in 2012. Here's the extent to which they supported the Republican candidate during each of those years:



So they run around telling us about Jesus and sweetness and love and light. But when it comes down to it they support a vile, hedonist con man who has spent his life scamming people including things like scamming people out of their lifes' savings AND who also set new standards for dishonesty and general atrocious behavior during a national campaign to a greater extent than they supported three decent men.

I've defended White Evangelical Christians in the past. But no more. The overwhelming majority of them are hypocrites who will sell out and throw their principles out the window in a heartbeat. They clearly are more loyal to a political party then they are to the God they insist exists and must be honored because they sure as hell didn't honor the God they describe through their actions during this election.

And yes I've heard the rationalizations. None of them fly. They are either lying to us or lying to themselves when they try to justify what they just did. They more than any other group are responsible for the atrocity that just unfolded.

They voted for him because he reminds them of the preachers on TV that they send money.

Good job with the hard-headed-statistician trolling though! You didn't break character for a long time.

SuperHornet wrote:It turns out that there's a reason Christians voted overwhelmingly for Trump. I was informed this weekend (after having voted for Palin) that a couple of years ago (before Trump even bothered forming an exploratory committee) Trump converted to Christianity. That was at least ONE of the things these voters were looking at.

In other words he knew he was going to run back then.

SuperHornet wrote:It turns out that there's a reason Christians voted overwhelmingly for Trump. I was informed this weekend (after having voted for Palin) that a couple of years ago (before Trump even bothered forming an exploratory committee) Trump converted to Christianity. That was at least ONE of the things these voters were looking at.

Yeah...but he's quoted as saying he's Protestant since the 1980s. So...your friend is dumb.

houndawg wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:It turns out that there's a reason Christians voted overwhelmingly for Trump. I was informed this weekend (after having voted for Palin) that a couple of years ago (before Trump even bothered forming an exploratory committee) Trump converted to Christianity. That was at least ONE of the things these voters were looking at.

In other words he knew he was going to run back then.

Where do you get that he converted to Christianity just recently? I thought he was raised (and confirmed as a child) Presbyterian? Are the Presbyterian's no longer a Christian faith? Do they know that?

He's always been Presby. Ivanka is a McJoo.

GannonFan wrote:

houndawg wrote:
In other words he knew he was going to run back then.

Where do you get that he converted to Christianity just recently? I thought he was raised (and confirmed as a child) Presbyterian? Are the Presbyterian's no longer a Christian faith? Do they know that?

Maybe they're a branch of something else? Like the Methodists are the Baptists that can read?

houndawg wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Where do you get that he converted to Christianity just recently? I thought he was raised (and confirmed as a child) Presbyterian? Are the Presbyterian's no longer a Christian faith? Do they know that?

Maybe they're a branch of something else? Like the Methodists are the Baptists that can read?

I lawld

93henfan wrote:He's always been Presby. Ivanka is a McJoo.

So, what exactly is a Mc Joo?

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