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Uppity Russians! Much a do about nothing or reason for concern?

It's not a new Cold War. It's not even a deep chill. It's an outright conflict.

US-Russia relations have deteriorated sharply amid a barrage of accusations and disagreements, raising the stakes on issues ranging from the countries' competing military operations in Syria, disputes over Eastern European independence and escalating cyber breaches.

"This is a conflict, there should be no doubt," said Matthew Rojansky, director of the Kennan Institute at the Wilson Center, on the US-Russia confrontation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... ent=safari

CAA Flagship wrote:

The truth is neither of the candidates has what it takes to deal with an emboldened Russia. hilldog had a major hand in getting us to this point with our relations with Russia so I'm thinking she will only make things worse as POTUS. And I don't think Trump has the capability to really change anything either. This is part of the "we are fvcked no matter who wins" we get this election cycle.

Russia is the Guatemala of Easter Europe
They have zero functional high grade interdiction products
They have ancient fighter tech
and a Navy that would make Argentina look less than ambitious
The bulk of their Nuclear Submarine force is at the bottom of the Baltic and Norwegian seas

Chizzang wrote:Russia is the Guatemala of Easter Europe
They have zero functional high grade interdiction products
They have ancient fighter tech
and a Navy that would make Argentina look less than ambitious
The bulk of their Nuclear Submarine force is at the bottom of the Baltic and Norwegian seas

Winner winner chicken dinner

Ignore Russia, leave their proxies alone, and stop stroking former Soviet states for NATO membership and Russia not only simmers down but within 4-5 years we could even see them as an ally

Then the problem of NATO states not carrying their fair share of the load also goes away

PS they do have very good missile guidance technology- straight from Silicon Val... er I mean their indigenous R&D operations

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CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Russia is the Guatemala of Easter Europe
They have zero functional high grade interdiction products
They have ancient fighter tech
and a Navy that would make Argentina look less than ambitious
The bulk of their Nuclear Submarine force is at the bottom of the Baltic and Norwegian seas

Winner winner chicken dinner

Ignore Russia, leave their proxies alone, and stop stroking former Soviet states for NATO membership and Russia not only simmers down but within 4-5 years we could even see them as an ally

Then the problem of NATO states not carrying their fair share of the load also goes away

PS they do have very good missile guidance technology- straight from Silicon Val... er I mean their indigenous R&D operations

Apparently they have a renewed Medium Range ICBM program



But I wouldn't know anything about that

CID1990 wrote:
Ignore Russia, leave their proxies alone, and stop stroking former Soviet states for NATO membership and Russia not only simmers down but within 4-5 years we could even see them as an ally

THIS.

It really is quite simple...but Obama & Co. keep digging a hole.

Cluck U wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Ignore Russia, leave their proxies alone, and stop stroking former Soviet states for NATO membership and Russia not only simmers down but within 4-5 years we could even see them as an ally

THIS.

It really is quite simple...but Obama & Co. keep digging a hole.

This saber-rattling is purely poilitical. If hackers and wikileaks were targeting the Republican nominee Obama would be doing nothing and telling any Republicans that complain that the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWWRbn4zG0[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE[/youtube]

Whether it's all bluster or not, Putin has been pushing all the US buttons and found out Obama really doesn't have a poker face. Syria was an opportunity to test how far he could push the US (turns out it was all the way), getting a chance to try out some military hardware, demonstrate some common resolve with the Iranians against us, and reinforcing a minimal Mediterranean naval presence in Tartus.

ASUG8 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE[/youtube]

Whether it's all bluster or not, Putin has been pushing all the US buttons and found out Obama really doesn't have a poker face. Syria was an opportunity to test how far he could push the US (turns out it was all the way), getting a chance to try out some military hardware, demonstrate some common resolve with the Iranians against us, and reinforcing a minimal Mediterranean naval presence in Tartus.

It appears that guy blocked Obama's attempt at a cock grab with his forearm.

CID1990 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:Russia is the Guatemala of Easter Europe
They have zero functional high grade interdiction products
They have ancient fighter tech
and a Navy that would make Argentina look less than ambitious
The bulk of their Nuclear Submarine force is at the bottom of the Baltic and Norwegian seas

Winner winner chicken dinner

Ignore Russia, leave their proxies alone, and stop stroking former Soviet states for NATO membership and Russia not only simmers down but within 4-5 years we could even see them as an ally

Then the problem of NATO states not carrying their fair share of the load also goes away

PS they do have very good missile guidance technology- straight from Silicon Val... er I mean their indigenous R&D operations

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Wut?

Give me some historical precedent for that statement. Since WWII, with the exception of a few limited periods (part of the Gorbachev era), relations between the US and Russia have generally ranged from chilly to outright bad. And even under Gorby, we weren't geopolitical "allies." Where's the alignment of national interests that would generate something better?

Ivytalk wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Winner winner chicken dinner

Ignore Russia, leave their proxies alone, and stop stroking former Soviet states for NATO membership and Russia not only simmers down but within 4-5 years we could even see them as an ally

Then the problem of NATO states not carrying their fair share of the load also goes away

PS they do have very good missile guidance technology- straight from Silicon Val... er I mean their indigenous R&D operations

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Wut?

Give me some historical precedent for that statement. Since WWII, with the exception of a few limited periods (part of the Gorbachev era), relations between the US and Russia have generally ranged from chilly to outright bad. And even under Gorby, we weren't geopolitical "allies." Where's the alignment of national interests that would generate something better?

Ragheads and China.

Ivytalk wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Winner winner chicken dinner

Ignore Russia, leave their proxies alone, and stop stroking former Soviet states for NATO membership and Russia not only simmers down but within 4-5 years we could even see them as an ally

Then the problem of NATO states not carrying their fair share of the load also goes away

PS they do have very good missile guidance technology- straight from Silicon Val... er I mean their indigenous R&D operations

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Wut?

Give me some historical precedent for that statement. Since WWII, with the exception of a few limited periods (part of the Gorbachev era), relations between the US and Russia have generally ranged from chilly to outright bad. And even under Gorby, we weren't geopolitical "allies." Where's the alignment of national interests that would generate something better?

It's only a matter of hours before CID and the boys will be spinning us we've always been allies with the Russians
and it was this damned Hilary that ruined our long beautiful relationship



60 years of historical proof to the otherwise means nothing in todays world of politics

Fucking reset buttons, they never work!

Ivytalk wrote:

CID1990 wrote:
Winner winner chicken dinner

Ignore Russia, leave their proxies alone, and stop stroking former Soviet states for NATO membership and Russia not only simmers down but within 4-5 years we could even see them as an ally

Then the problem of NATO states not carrying their fair share of the load also goes away

PS they do have very good missile guidance technology- straight from Silicon Val... er I mean their indigenous R&D operations

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Wut?

Give me some historical precedent for that statement. Since WWII, with the exception of a few limited periods (part of the Gorbachev era), relations between the US and Russia have generally ranged from chilly to outright bad. And even under Gorby, we weren't geopolitical "allies." Where's the alignment of national interests that would generate something better?

Well, radical Islam and globalism/the international banking cartel.

I understand Putin doesn't have much use for the Rothschilds either.

But you're right. An alliance between Russia and the United States ain't gonna happen.