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The billionaire financier Mike Bloomberg was forced to apologise to hundreds of guests at a major Asian business event in Singapore this week after complaints about a speech by Boris Johnson that robustly criticised China.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/colorado- ... q-rhetoricOn ABC News’ "The View," the panel of women went on a lengthy discussion about the shooting, appearing to blame the tragedy on conservatives, religion, and Republican leaders. Early in the conversation, Whoopi Goldberg specifically named Boebert.
"Words matter," Goldberg said. "Words matter and people like Lauren Boebert who, you know, has been in the forefront of dissing LGBTQ+ people is now saying her prayers and thoughts go with the families. Well, they don’t really need your prayers and thoughts. They needed your votes. That’s what they needed."
MSNBC made up a significant chunk of the coverage, drawing a line between a recent rise in hate crimes, the Colorado shooting, and the Republican Party.
NBC News senior reporter Ben Collins, during an appearance on "Morning Joe," hoped that journalist would have a "come to Jesus moment" with regard to politically divisive rhetoric.
"Are we more afraid of being on Breitbart for saying that trans people deserve to be alive, or are we more afraid of the dead people? Because I’m more afraid of the dead people," he said.
Collins also brought up a story, published by NBC News’ Maura Barrett, of one of the survivors of the shooting, who was ridiculed by their parents for being gay after coming home from the club. He said that the parents responded this way because such a perspective was viewed as an "acceptable response" by the Republican Party.
Brandy Zadrozny, a senior reporter who covers the internet, misinformation and politics for NBC News, claimed that there was a "one-to-one correlation" between violence, and harassment against LGBTQ members, as well as recent political rhetoric surrounding transgender rights, "gender-affirming care" for adolescents, and LGBTQ-focused books in schools.
While filling in for Ari Melber on "The Beat," MSNBC host Katie Phang wondered how Americans can "curb" politicians who are condoning, spreading, and supporting "pure hate." She also said that violence against LGBTQ Americans was being "legitimized" by politicians.
Responding to Phang, Maya Wiley, a former legal analyst for MSNBC and NBC News, said that Republicans "enable" violence and are spreading a "pandemic" of hate by vilifying transgender people, and creating the context for discrimination.
Chris Hayes made a similar observation during his show "All In," when he admitted that while nobody is "responsible" for the shooting besides the shooter himself, ant-LGBTQ hysteria had created the "context" for the crime to take place.
During the extensive segment on the shooting, Hayes attempted to tie DeSantis’ signing of the Parental Rights in Education law, as well as concerns about transgender surgeries for children, to the attack. They panel also suggested Republicans are "grooming people for extremism" on social media, and government must crack down on social media companies that allow it.
Author and Babylon Bee contributor Ashley St. Clair, who previously lived in Colorado Springs, spoke out against the politicization of the attack, and asserted that the shooter was solely responsible for the bloodshed.
Author and former New Yorker Financial Page writer James Surowiecki responded to St. Clair and claimed that Republicans had "dramatically increased" violence towards trans and gay Americans by labeling people as "groomers."
"We all know that the relentless labeling of gay and trans people as "groomers," with its connotations of pedophilia, dramatically increased the chances that people would decide to harm gay and trans people. Pretending otherwise is obtuse," he tweeted.
Journalist John Harwood, who parted ways with CNN in September, then suggested that journalists cannot be neutral in this situation, accusing Republicans of "dishonesty, cruelty and incitement to violence."….
….And another column from The New York Times by Michelle Goldberg tied the rise of Donald Trump, conservatives, Republican politicians, and concerns about children at drag shows to the attack.
"Perhaps we’ll learn something in the coming days that will put these murders, which took place on the eve of Transgender Day of Remembrance, into a new light, but right now, it seems hard to separate them from a nationwide campaign of anti-L.G.B.T.Q. incitement," she said.
And another column from The New York Times by Michelle Goldberg tied the rise of Donald Trump, conservatives, Republican politicians, and concerns about children at drag shows to the attack.
"Perhaps we’ll learn something in the coming days that will put these murders, which took place on the eve of Transgender Day of Remembrance, into a new light, but right now, it seems hard to separate them from a nationwide campaign of anti-L.G.B.T.Q. incitement," she said.
No, but playing for an American team, the only acceptable colors are red, white, and blue. They shouldn’t be making divisive, political statements.
Do you tell that to people with black & white flags with a single blue line?
If they did, your silence would speak volumes.
And the Biden admin exchanges Griner for a major Russian arms trafficker, while still leaving Whelan behind. Indefensible.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:29 am This American teacher also sits in a Russian jail, worried nobody cares
For the past 11 months, Fogel has languished in Russian detention centers following his August 2021 arrest for trying to enter the country with about half an ounce of medical marijuana he'd been prescribed in the United States for chronic pain after numerous injuries and surgeries. First he endlessly awaited trial, often in crowded, smoke-choked cells. More recently, he has been serving the first weeks of an incomprehensible 14-year sentence handed down by a Russian judge in June.
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In suburban Pittsburgh, Jane Fogel has been watching the Griner case spool out and wondered whether her husband has been forgotten. Griner's wife, Cherelle, received a call from the president. The Fogels have been stalled at the mid-functionary level of the U.S. State Department. Speculation about a possible prisoner swap before Blinken's announcement on Wednesday had earlier trickled into his Russian prison cell, compounding his anxiety.
Griner benefits from celebrity privilege. Whelan and Fogel, unfortunately don't.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:02 amAnd the Biden admin exchanges Griner for a major Russian arms trafficker, while still leaving Whelan behind. Indefensible.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:29 am This American teacher also sits in a Russian jail, worried nobody cares
You sexist pig!∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:04 am In my head, Griner being saved first makes sense. Children first, women second, men last.
edit: obviously everyone should be saved when possible, but IMO, Whelan gets last priority (although everyone is a high priority). Protecting your fellow citizens is what you sign up for when joining the military, so Griner and Fogel get exchanged first.
And that's what makes this difficult - there is no equivalent in Russian jails to what this guy was/is. No matter who we got back the scales of evil were always going to tip in Russia's favor. If this guy, now freed, ever gets connected to a future killing, the question will come right to the top - how many people died so that we could get Griner (or any other hostage we could've exchanged for this guy) free?BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:32 pm We shouldn’t be exchanging what is basically a hostage for a terrorist. Period. Being a black lesbian she/he should have zero to do with it. Same when Obama had that Army deserter (as far as I know that POS is a white male) exchanged for 5 high ranking Taliban, some of whom later played major roles in the Afghanistan debacle last year.
More Americans are going to die because of the disgraceful actions of Brandon. The DEA Special agent in charge involved in Bout’s arrest:
Russia refused to release Whelan. Whelan's family agreed that getting SOMEONE home was better than no one.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:37 amYou sexist pig!∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:04 am In my head, Griner being saved first makes sense. Children first, women second, men last.
edit: obviously everyone should be saved when possible, but IMO, Whelan gets last priority (although everyone is a high priority). Protecting your fellow citizens is what you sign up for when joining the military, so Griner and Fogel get exchanged first.
Another reasonable order is to try and bring home whoever was there the longest first.
No, its not difficult. If you’re a competent admin you don’t do the exchange, PERIOD. If some American has to serve 6 or 9 years or whatever for smugging a little pot, then so be it. That is FAR FAR FAR more preferable than releasing someone who was one of the biggest, if not the biggest, arms trafficking kingpen in the world.GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:47 pmAnd that's what makes this difficult - there is no equivalent in Russian jails to what this guy was/is. No matter who we got back the scales of evil were always going to tip in Russia's favor. If this guy, now freed, ever gets connected to a future killing, the question will come right to the top - how many people died so that we could get Griner (or any other hostage we could've exchanged for this guy) free?BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:32 pm We shouldn’t be exchanging what is basically a hostage for a terrorist. Period. Being a black lesbian she/he should have zero to do with it. Same when Obama had that Army deserter (as far as I know that POS is a white male) exchanged for 5 high ranking Taliban, some of whom later played major roles in the Afghanistan debacle last year.
More Americans are going to die because of the disgraceful actions of Brandon. The DEA Special agent in charge involved in Bout’s arrest:
I don't disagree, but I'm sure it's more nuanced than that.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:37 amYou sexist pig!∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:04 am In my head, Griner being saved first makes sense. Children first, women second, men last.
edit: obviously everyone should be saved when possible, but IMO, Whelan gets last priority (although everyone is a high priority). Protecting your fellow citizens is what you sign up for when joining the military, so Griner and Fogel get exchanged first.
Another reasonable order is to try and bring home whoever was there the longest first.
What about Fogel?
Was there a way to dose Bout with polonium before the exchange without endangering the crew providing transportation. Give Putin a taste of his own medicine.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:57 pmNo, its not difficult. If you’re a competent admin you don’t do the exchange, PERIOD. If some American has to serve 6 or 9 years or whatever for smugging a little pot, then so be it. That is FAR FAR FAR more preferable than releasing someone who was one of the biggest, if not the biggest, arms trafficking kingpen in the world.GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:47 pm
And that's what makes this difficult - there is no equivalent in Russian jails to what this guy was/is. No matter who we got back the scales of evil were always going to tip in Russia's favor. If this guy, now freed, ever gets connected to a future killing, the question will come right to the top - how many people died so that we could get Griner (or any other hostage we could've exchanged for this guy) free?
Obama: The worst hostage exchange in US history.
Biden: “Hold my beer.”