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Wonder how that compares to other countries?
Heh
It's relevant if you're discussing the impact of the lives lost on the labor market. And yes, elderly lives matter.
True. And it’s not just senior labor. They spend money and the people who associate with them can catch Covid too.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:53 amIt's relevant if you're discussing the impact of the lives lost on the labor market. And yes, elderly lives matter.
I wonder if increased and extended unemployment benefits had any impact on the availability of truckers?
There is plenty of blame to go around and not all of it is the fault of the evil capitalists.
At least it wasn’t as bad as CIA recruitment ad throwing out wokist terms like cisgender amd intersectionist that most people don’t even know the meaning of. I can’t believe that they think pumping out ads full of wokist claptrap is going to boost recruitment..
You sure do have an in-depth understanding of how EVERY industry operates.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:46 amDon't disagree with anything you said, but quite a number of corporations complain about a shortage of staff and shrug when you ask them about their training schemes and wages. It costs money to learn stuff and live. That is why you need to pay people a wage to train in things.
And companies that just shrug, hoping they can find trained staff anyway, are just setting themselves up for shortages sooner or later. Oil companies have been doing this for a while now...idiot short term managers hoping it happens later and on someone else’s time while they save a few dollars on the corporate balance sheet now. It's so prevalent throughout a ton of industries and even American society itself.
So if we're going to defend our economic system, we should at least acknowledge more people will become truckers if it was attractive. Can't blame anyone for not becoming one if there's better career options, and certainly can't blame truckers for going to better paying opportunities. That's how it should work in a capitalist society and it seems like American oil companies are uncompetitive.
Either that or let more immigrants in to fill the gaps.
(Losing 500k+ lives, probably closer to 900K+ in the pandemic didn't help either.)
Anyways, I was coming back home from a friend's last night and the lines were insane. This was at 10pm. Glad I take the train.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/rural-amer ... J2kG1ZIIegWind turbines are popular—in theory. Gallup data show about 70% of Americans want “more emphasis” on wind energy. Plenty of politicians like the idea, too. President Biden’s proposed Energy Efficiency and Clean Electricity Standard calls for “tens of thousands of wind turbines.”
But where, exactly, will all those turbines be built? That question matters because local governments across the country are rejecting wind energy projects. Since 2015, about 300 government entities from Vermont to Hawaii have rejected or restricted wind projects. In March the select board in Scituate, Mass., ordered a wind turbine in the coastal town to be shut down at night from mid-May to mid-October. The problem, according to the Boston Globe: complaints from neighbors who say “they can’t sleep at night because of noise” the wind turbine makes.
The planning board in Foster, R.I., voted 5-1 on April 7 to ban wind turbines. The board took action after hearing from residents of Portsmouth, R.I., who had turbines built near their homes. The Valley Breeze newspaper reported that Portsmouth residents warned the board “about their experiences, complaining about constant noise disturbances, vibrations, and loss in home values from turbines in their neighborhood.”
http://www.healthdata.org/special-analy ... -19-deathsAZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 12:16 pmYou sure do have an in-depth understanding of how EVERY industry operates.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:46 am
Don't disagree with anything you said, but quite a number of corporations complain about a shortage of staff and shrug when you ask them about their training schemes and wages. It costs money to learn stuff and live. That is why you need to pay people a wage to train in things.
And companies that just shrug, hoping they can find trained staff anyway, are just setting themselves up for shortages sooner or later. Oil companies have been doing this for a while now...idiot short term managers hoping it happens later and on someone else’s time while they save a few dollars on the corporate balance sheet now. It's so prevalent throughout a ton of industries and even American society itself.
So if we're going to defend our economic system, we should at least acknowledge more people will become truckers if it was attractive. Can't blame anyone for not becoming one if there's better career options, and certainly can't blame truckers for going to better paying opportunities. That's how it should work in a capitalist society and it seems like American oil companies are uncompetitive.
Either that or let more immigrants in to fill the gaps.
(Losing 500k+ lives, probably closer to 900K+ in the pandemic didn't help either.)
Anyways, I was coming back home from a friend's last night and the lines were insane. This was at 10pm. Glad I take the train.
And I just LOVE how trip can throw out some random number like 900,000 deaths and not even be questioned on it.
IIRC, Gil has also cited the undercounting. It ain’t exactly a secret. But hey! 550,000 lives is hardly even worth talking about.
The biggest NIMBYs in the country are in Democratic strongholdsCol Hogan wrote:Red vs blue...Not how the issue of massive new wind farms is playing out..
Rural America is going to be asked to take it in the ass for urban America if the Biden Administration get’s its way to build alternative energy...
And the battle is already underway, with lots of people in Blue states taking the lead in fighting the plan...https://www.wsj.com/articles/rural-amer ... J2kG1ZIIegWind turbines are popular—in theory. Gallup data show about 70% of Americans want “more emphasis” on wind energy. Plenty of politicians like the idea, too. President Biden’s proposed Energy Efficiency and Clean Electricity Standard calls for “tens of thousands of wind turbines.”
But where, exactly, will all those turbines be built? That question matters because local governments across the country are rejecting wind energy projects. Since 2015, about 300 government entities from Vermont to Hawaii have rejected or restricted wind projects. In March the select board in Scituate, Mass., ordered a wind turbine in the coastal town to be shut down at night from mid-May to mid-October. The problem, according to the Boston Globe: complaints from neighbors who say “they can’t sleep at night because of noise” the wind turbine makes.
The planning board in Foster, R.I., voted 5-1 on April 7 to ban wind turbines. The board took action after hearing from residents of Portsmouth, R.I., who had turbines built near their homes. The Valley Breeze newspaper reported that Portsmouth residents warned the board “about their experiences, complaining about constant noise disturbances, vibrations, and loss in home values from turbines in their neighborhood.”
It's interesting how this is starting to shape up. The county I live in is rural and we have about 200 wind turbines in our county. There was virtually no opposition when they were put in about 14 years ago. They are a boon to our county in several ways. Short term impact during construction that benefited hotels, restaurants as well as the local hospital, the car dealers, and the hardware store. Long term impact is about 10 good jobs, lease payments to landowners and about 19% of the tax base in our county is now wind turbines. We were able to build a new high school without raising taxes in part because of the taxes the wind turbines pay.Col Hogan wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 9:20 am Red vs blue...Not how the issue of massive new wind farms is playing out..
Rural America is going to be asked to take it in the ass for urban America if the Biden Administration get’s its way to build alternative energy...
And the battle is already underway, with lots of people in Blue states taking the lead in fighting the plan...https://www.wsj.com/articles/rural-amer ... J2kG1ZIIegWind turbines are popular—in theory. Gallup data show about 70% of Americans want “more emphasis” on wind energy. Plenty of politicians like the idea, too. President Biden’s proposed Energy Efficiency and Clean Electricity Standard calls for “tens of thousands of wind turbines.”
But where, exactly, will all those turbines be built? That question matters because local governments across the country are rejecting wind energy projects. Since 2015, about 300 government entities from Vermont to Hawaii have rejected or restricted wind projects. In March the select board in Scituate, Mass., ordered a wind turbine in the coastal town to be shut down at night from mid-May to mid-October. The problem, according to the Boston Globe: complaints from neighbors who say “they can’t sleep at night because of noise” the wind turbine makes.
The planning board in Foster, R.I., voted 5-1 on April 7 to ban wind turbines. The board took action after hearing from residents of Portsmouth, R.I., who had turbines built near their homes. The Valley Breeze newspaper reported that Portsmouth residents warned the board “about their experiences, complaining about constant noise disturbances, vibrations, and loss in home values from turbines in their neighborhood.”
HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:04 pmIt's interesting how this is starting to shape up. The county I live in is rural and we have about 200 wind turbines in our county. There was virtually no opposition when they were put in about 14 years ago. They are a boon to our county in several ways. Short term impact during construction that benefited hotels, restaurants as well as the local hospital, the car dealers, and the hardware store. Long term impact is about 10 good jobs, lease payments to landowners and about 19% of the tax base in our county is now wind turbines. We were able to build a new high school without raising taxes in part because of the taxes the wind turbines pay.Col Hogan wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 9:20 am Red vs blue...Not how the issue of massive new wind farms is playing out..
Rural America is going to be asked to take it in the ass for urban America if the Biden Administration get’s its way to build alternative energy...
And the battle is already underway, with lots of people in Blue states taking the lead in fighting the plan...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/rural-amer ... J2kG1ZIIeg
The article mentions Madison County, Iowa. Madison County borders on the Des Moines metro area. A lot of well off people live on acreages in Madison County and don't want wind turbines. They come up with all the things about noise, dead birds, etc. but they are all a smokescreen for the real reason - they don't want to look at them.
At work we tried buying energy from a proposed wind farm in Kansas. The developer was large with over 10,000 MW developed. The project didn't get built due to local opposition. First project they ever had cancelled for a zoning reason. Locals, in rural Kansas, didn't want the project. If you can't build in rural Kansas you're not going to be able to build wind turbines in a lot of places.
The really big thing that isn't mentioned is the transmission that needs to be built to deliver all the wind energy from the flyover states to the population centers on the coasts. People really don't want transmission lines on their property. There is also a big question over who should pay for the transmission lines. Without the transmission lines the wind turbines can't be built because the existing lines are generally at capacity.
They would look cool in you scenery pics.kalm wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:33 pmHI54UNI wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:04 pm
It's interesting how this is starting to shape up. The county I live in is rural and we have about 200 wind turbines in our county. There was virtually no opposition when they were put in about 14 years ago. They are a boon to our county in several ways. Short term impact during construction that benefited hotels, restaurants as well as the local hospital, the car dealers, and the hardware store. Long term impact is about 10 good jobs, lease payments to landowners and about 19% of the tax base in our county is now wind turbines. We were able to build a new high school without raising taxes in part because of the taxes the wind turbines pay.
The article mentions Madison County, Iowa. Madison County borders on the Des Moines metro area. A lot of well off people live on acreages in Madison County and don't want wind turbines. They come up with all the things about noise, dead birds, etc. but they are all a smokescreen for the real reason - they don't want to look at them.
At work we tried buying energy from a proposed wind farm in Kansas. The developer was large with over 10,000 MW developed. The project didn't get built due to local opposition. First project they ever had cancelled for a zoning reason. Locals, in rural Kansas, didn't want the project. If you can't build in rural Kansas you're not going to be able to build wind turbines in a lot of places.
The really big thing that isn't mentioned is the transmission that needs to be built to deliver all the wind energy from the flyover states to the population centers on the coasts. People really don't want transmission lines on their property. There is also a big question over who should pay for the transmission lines. Without the transmission lines the wind turbines can't be built because the existing lines are generally at capacity.
Am I the only one who doesn’t mind the look of wind turbines?
I see. So now you want to take credit for all the deaths caused by the lockdowns too?
I love it when our power expert chimes in on threads like these. Clearly explains the shortcomings of these "green" plans; plans that are conceived in a vacuum with little/no understanding of the cradle-to-grave requirements to actually get it done.HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 6:04 pmIt's interesting how this is starting to shape up. The county I live in is rural and we have about 200 wind turbines in our county. There was virtually no opposition when they were put in about 14 years ago. They are a boon to our county in several ways. Short term impact during construction that benefited hotels, restaurants as well as the local hospital, the car dealers, and the hardware store. Long term impact is about 10 good jobs, lease payments to landowners and about 19% of the tax base in our county is now wind turbines. We were able to build a new high school without raising taxes in part because of the taxes the wind turbines pay.Col Hogan wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 9:20 am Red vs blue...Not how the issue of massive new wind farms is playing out..
Rural America is going to be asked to take it in the ass for urban America if the Biden Administration get’s its way to build alternative energy...
And the battle is already underway, with lots of people in Blue states taking the lead in fighting the plan...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/rural-amer ... J2kG1ZIIeg
The article mentions Madison County, Iowa. Madison County borders on the Des Moines metro area. A lot of well off people live on acreages in Madison County and don't want wind turbines. They come up with all the things about noise, dead birds, etc. but they are all a smokescreen for the real reason - they don't want to look at them.
At work we tried buying energy from a proposed wind farm in Kansas. The developer was large with over 10,000 MW developed. The project didn't get built due to local opposition. First project they ever had cancelled for a zoning reason. Locals, in rural Kansas, didn't want the project. If you can't build in rural Kansas you're not going to be able to build wind turbines in a lot of places.
The really big thing that isn't mentioned is the transmission that needs to be built to deliver all the wind energy from the flyover states to the population centers on the coasts. People really don't want transmission lines on their property. There is also a big question over who should pay for the transmission lines. Without the transmission lines the wind turbines can't be built because the existing lines are generally at capacity.
