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Reports of a military coup in Turkey. I wonder if the military finally got tired of Erdogan being a dickhead and his attempts to limit democracy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... n-ankara1/

Yeah I think this is actually the biggest story of the year so far. How big it is kind of depends on whether or not the Turkish military will end up in control. I think it will. But we'll see.

Funny, Turkey just said two days ago that they wanted to normalize relations with Syria.

Oooops!

"More than five years into Syria’s civil war, Turkey, the country that has most helped the rebellion against the rule of Bashar al-Assad, has hinted it may move to normalise relations with Damascus.

The suggestion made by the Turkish prime minister, Binali Yıldırım, on Wednesday, stunned the Syrian opposition leadership, which Ankara hosts, as well as regional leaders, who had allied with Turkey in their push to oust Assad over a long, unforgiving war.

“I am sure that we will return [our] ties with Syria to normal,” he said, straying far from an official script that has persistently called for immediate regime change. “We need it. We normalised our relations with Israel and Russia. I’m sure we will go back to normal relations with Syria as well.”

Though Turkish officials later claimed the remarks were made in hope, and did not imply a policy shift, both the Ankara-backed rebels and regional diplomats inferred that Turkey was softening its rhetoric in advance of a reset with Assad, whose allies have backed him into a winning position in the war.

“We did not see this coming, said one official. “It is not consistent with what they have been saying privately.”

In recent weeks, Turkey has patched up wounds with Israel, which were ruptured over an Israeli commando raid on a Turkish aid boat eight years ago, and with Russia, which had cut trade ties after Turkey downed one of its fighter jets over northern Syria earlier this year.

The Russian reset came after Syrian Kurdish forces supported from the air and directed on the ground by Moscow manoeuvred into new areas, which imperiled the Syrian opposition, but more importantly for Turkey, directly threatened its borders.

http://www.politico.com/gallery/2016/07 ... 26?slide=0


Yeah, I am sure the timing of this coup is completely unrelated.

Turkey is about to drop the facade and openly support ISIS.

Because of the Kurds.

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*Coop
I think turkeys have coops like chickens.
Not sure what a "military coop" is though.

DSUrocks07 wrote:Turkey is about to drop the facade and openly support ISIS.

Because of the Kurds.

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We'll see, but I think it's the exact opposite. Erdogan was tacitly supporting ISIS and was a little too friendly to the radical Islamists in Turkey. Some reports are saying that the radical Islamic factions are fighting the military. Turkey was founded as a moderate, secular country. The military sees its role as upholding this. I seriously doubt the coup is being led by radical Islamists within the military.

Previous coup attempts (none got near this far) were from the secular heart of the military.

But, yeah... definitely seems pretty chaotic and no way to know too much right now.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

DSUrocks07 wrote:Turkey is about to drop the facade and openly support ISIS.

Because of the Kurds.

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We'll see, but I think it's the exact opposite. Erdogan was tacitly supporting ISIS and was a little too friendly to the radical Islamists in Turkey. Some reports are saying that the radical Islamic factions are fighting the military. Turkey was founded as a moderate, secular country. The military sees its role as upholding this. I seriously doubt the coup is being led by radical Islamists within the military.

Previous coup attempts (none got near this far) were from the secular heart of the military.

But, yeah... definitely seems pretty chaotic and no way to know too much right now.

This sounds right.

They shouldn't have launched it when the President was on vacation. They should've launched it when he was right where they could take him into custody quickly. Bad planning. But we'll see.

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kalm wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
We'll see, but I think it's the exact opposite. Erdogan was tacitly supporting ISIS and was a little too friendly to the radical Islamists in Turkey. Some reports are saying that the radical Islamic factions are fighting the military. Turkey was founded as a moderate, secular country. The military sees its role as upholding this. I seriously doubt the coup is being led by radical Islamists within the military.

Previous coup attempts (none got near this far) were from the secular heart of the military.

But, yeah... definitely seems pretty chaotic and no way to know too much right now.

This sounds right.

Agreed. This isn't the first time the Turkish generals have attempted to ward off Islamism.

Let's focus on what's important. What outcome is best for the stock market?

CAA Flagship wrote:Let's focus on what's important. What outcome is best for the stock market?

You tell me, Jim Cramer.

Ivytalk wrote:

CAA Flagship wrote:Let's focus on what's important. What outcome is best for the stock market?

You tell me, Jim Cramer.

One thing is sure, the market doesn't like uncertainty. So I'm hoping this will be over one way or another by Sunday night.

Turkey's president is claiming the coup was staged by a cleric based in the US.

Fun times.

Turkey, under Eurogone, has been creeping towards more conservative (read that as hard line) Islamic rule for a while. The military has, indeed, previously stepped in to ward off the hard liners. If you read some of the tweets and comments by people in the streets, many were happy that the AKP, Turkey's conservative Islamic party, was finally being confronted by the military.

Make no mistake about it, Turkey, in one form or another, was supporting ISIS. Shipments of arms have been flowing from Turkey to Iraq, Syria, and Libya. Call it what you want, but Turkey's government is no friend to the West in regards to the dark side of Islam.

Now, this coup could have been set up many ways. It was odd that just two days ago Turkey was seen as patching up relations with Israel, Russia, and Syria. That might be from US and Russian pressure. If so, and Turkey was really going to moderate, then the radical Islamists in the military might have tried to stage a coup.

Odds are though, that the moderates tried to take advantage of the outside pressure to topple Eurogone. And odds are that the US had some role, deniable, of course, in this coup.

Looks like the coup failed. We'll have to see what happens next to get a glimpse of who was behind this action.

Furthermore, it will be extremely interesting to see if Turkey's policies change as a result of this coup attempt.

Forget that...we'll see changes...the interest will be in what direction the changes will take the country. We've seen in Egypt what a democratically elected leader looks like...and we didn't like it.

kalm wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
We'll see, but I think it's the exact opposite. Erdogan was tacitly supporting ISIS and was a little too friendly to the radical Islamists in Turkey. Some reports are saying that the radical Islamic factions are fighting the military. Turkey was founded as a moderate, secular country. The military sees its role as upholding this. I seriously doubt the coup is being led by radical Islamists within the military.

Previous coup attempts (none got near this far) were from the secular heart of the military.

But, yeah... definitely seems pretty chaotic and no way to know too much right now.

This sounds right.

Not only do they see it as their role, it's actually codified in their constitution.

The bad thing about a coup is if it fails, things get worse. Watch Erdogan use this as an excuse to tighten his grip on power.


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DSUrocks07 wrote:Turkey is about to drop the facade and openly support ISIS.

Because of the Kurds.

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CID1990 wrote:The bad thing about a coup is if it fails, things get worse. Watch Erdogan use this as an excuse to tighten his grip on power.


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This is a really well written piece:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/16/opini ... index.html

"This time, thousands of Erdogan supporters heeded his call to take to the streets. They threw themselves in front of tanks and cornered terrified looking soldiers as minarets called for jihad."

Europe is screwed.

Oh, and Obama and Hillary have looked the other way every time the Turkish president cracked down on democracy.

JSO...THIS is what Obama and Hillary's foreign policy experience will get us more of in the future. Apparently, you want more hard core Muslim gubmints.

Cluck U wrote:This is a really well written piece:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/16/opini ... index.html

"This time, thousands of Erdogan supporters heeded his call to take to the streets. They threw themselves in front of tanks and cornered terrified looking soldiers as minarets called for jihad."

Europe is screwed.

Oh, and Obama and Hillary have looked the other way every time the Turkish president cracked down on democracy.

JSO...THIS is what Obama and Hillary's foreign policy experience will get us more of in the future. Apparently, you want more hard core Muslim gubmints.

That was a good piece.

Meh, democracy has given us a choice between Hillary and Trump. Maybe it ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Darn. I was hoping the military was united and was going to depose that guy. Can't believe they didn't do it at a time when they cold grab him and control the situation.

Obama will use his same amazing skills he used in his brilliant Iran deal and fix this.

Again I ask: Do you guys not realize that Trump has been running around saying we should not screw up dictators because if we do it'll screw things up? What on EARTH makes you think he favors supporting democracies?

Though, again, it IS true that before Quaddfi was deposed and it didn't work out all that well he said he wanted Quaddafi deposed. Then of course when it didn't work out all that well he tried to act like HE knew Quaddafi shouldn't have been deposed.

I would say that it's unfortunate for him that he is on video very clearly calling for going after Quaddafi. But it's become clear that Trump zombies don't care about obvious evidence that Trump is completely full of shit.

Anyway, NOW he says Quaddafi should've been left in charge.

JohnStOnge wrote:Again I ask: Do you guys not realize that Trump has been running around saying we should not screw up dictators because if we do it'll screw things up? What on EARTH makes you think he favors supporting democracies?

Though, again, it IS true that before Quaddfi was deposed and it didn't work out all that well he said he wanted Quaddafi deposed. Then of course when it didn't work out all that well he tried to act like HE knew Quaddafi shouldn't have been deposed.

I would say that it's unfortunate for him that he is on video very clearly calling for going after Quaddafi. But it's become clear that Trump zombies don't care about obvious evidence that Trump is completely full of shit.

Anyway, NOW he says Quaddafi should've been left in charge.

JSO, I complain about Trump as much as anyone here except you and agree with a lot of what you say about him but you're starting to reach here. Pretty much every Democrat (including probably Hillary) that thinks Iraq was a mistake would basically say the same thing. One of the principal complaints about neoconservatism is the idea that bringing democracy to a third-world dictatorship is more complicated than just blowing the sitting dictator away. It's also pretty much the position of Ron Paul and the anti-war libertarian right.

Coup fails, very disorganized. Makes me believe that the military was desperate to stop their government from doing something stupid, probably having to do with the airport attack a few weeks back.

More overt support to ISIS incoming, Turkey has become the 21st century "powder keg".

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