Brexit Thread

[93henfan]

traded in their beads and idealism for Beemers and materialism

Fun fact I didn't know before I owned a BMW car:

Beemer is a BMW motorcycle.

Bimmer is a BMW car.

[CID1990]

Of course you don’t respect it

That’s why you’d change the system to favor your preferred outcome if you could - its the MO of every two-bit communist troll that ever lived

You may think you’re on the verge of a political takeover but you aren’t... people generally dont like radical change. And when it is tried, it fails. History should be your guide but of course nobody has tried it with your own special sauce

Democracy is the enemy of people like you

But wouldn’t Brexit and breaking up the NHS be radical change?

I think all of you are making good points here. As for Brexit, autonomy has to be a huge selling point. What’s also interesting is that Corbin’s demise was partially blamed on ties to anti-semitism.

Yeah if your life began in the 1990s, I guess

Britain’s dalliance in the EU is a failed experiment. Britons have overwhelmingly decided this. Brexit is a return to the normalcy of national sovereignty from the radical change that was membership in the EU.


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[UNI88]

traded in their beads and idealism for Beemers and materialism

Fun fact I didn't know before I owned a BMW car:

Beemer is a BMW motorcycle.

Bimmer is a BMW car.

Good to know. Now I can intentionally mix them up just to piss off beimmer owners. I'm an asshole that way.

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[93henfan]

Fun fact I didn't know before I owned a BMW car:

Beemer is a BMW motorcycle.

Bimmer is a BMW car.

Good to know. Now I can intentionally mix them up just to piss off beimmer owners. I'm an asshole that way.

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That's cool. You'll piss off the motorcycle people more. Not including me, BMW car owners are typically non-enthusiasts and wouldn't even pick up on it.

The story goes that BMW started in motorcycles and one of their competitors was BSA. People called the BSA's beezers and the BMW's beemers.

People started calling BMW cars beemers and the robots who drive BMW motorcycles got miffed and insisted the cars are bimmers not beemers.

So, ugly bike with unpainted aluminum hard bags and guy wearing yellow construction vest = beemer

Car with increasingly larger kidney grilles that never uses turn signal = bimmer

[kalm]

But wouldn’t Brexit and breaking up the NHS be radical change?

I think all of you are making good points here. As for Brexit, autonomy has to be a huge selling point. What’s also interesting is that Corbin’s demise was partially blamed on ties to anti-semitism.

Yeah if your life began in the 1990s, I guess

Britain’s dalliance in the EU is a failed experiment. Britons have overwhelmingly decided this. Brexit is a return to the normalcy of national sovereignty from the radical change that was membership in the EU.


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I’m not arguing whether Brexit is good or bad. I’d probably vote for it to be honest. But if subsidized tuition (which we’ve had before and currently do in some forms) and Medicare for All (we currently have Medicare for some) are radical ideas that will turn us into a Stalinist regime then Brexit and disbanding the NHS are as well...despite only being around for decades.

Hint: the term radical is thrown around pretty damn loosely.

[CID1990]

Yeah if your life began in the 1990s, I guess

Britain’s dalliance in the EU is a failed experiment. Britons have overwhelmingly decided this. Brexit is a return to the normalcy of national sovereignty from the radical change that was membership in the EU.


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I’m not arguing whether Brexit is good or bad. I’d probably vote for it to be honest. But if subsidized tuition (which we’ve had before and currently do in some forms) and Medicare for All (we currently have Medicare for some) are radical ideas that will turn us into a Stalinist regime then Brexit and disbanding the NHS are as well...despite only being around for decades.

Hint: the term radical is thrown around pretty damn loosely.

No, klam

You are drawing false equivalencies

Brexit is a conservative move back to national sovereignty. If you want to classify it as radical change with some vacuous comparison to overreaching socialist economic changes then bless your heart


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[kalm]

I’m not arguing whether Brexit is good or bad. I’d probably vote for it to be honest. But if subsidized tuition (which we’ve had before and currently do in some forms) and Medicare for All (we currently have Medicare for some) are radical ideas that will turn us into a Stalinist regime then Brexit and disbanding the NHS are as well...despite only being around for decades.

Hint: the term radical is thrown around pretty damn loosely.

No, klam

You are drawing false equivalencies

Brexit is a conservative move back to national sovereignty. If you want to classify it as radical change with some vacuous comparison to overreaching socialist economic changes then bless your heart


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I already acknowledged that sovereignty was the issue at stake with Brexit (which you missed or dismissed to claim a logical gotcha). I was expanding the debate to what’s considered radical. The term “radical” has been thrown around rather loosely to describe both sides. Sorry you can’t walk and chew gum.

Embrace your conkness. It’s ok.

[CID1990]

No, klam

You are drawing false equivalencies

Brexit is a conservative move back to national sovereignty. If you want to classify it as radical change with some vacuous comparison to overreaching socialist economic changes then bless your heart


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I already acknowledged that sovereignty was the issue at stake with Brexit (which you missed or dismissed to claim a logical gotcha). I was expanding the debate to what’s considered radical. The term “radical” has been thrown around rather loosely to describe both sides. Sorry you can’t walk and chew gum.

Embrace your conkness. It’s ok.

Brexit is radical? No, klam

(bless your heart)

Entry into the EU was radical. Brexit is the correction


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[kalm]

I already acknowledged that sovereignty was the issue at stake with Brexit (which you missed or dismissed to claim a logical gotcha). I was expanding the debate to what’s considered radical. The term “radical” has been thrown around rather loosely to describe both sides. Sorry you can’t walk and chew gum.

Embrace your conkness. It’s ok.

Brexit is radical? No, klam

(bless your heart)

Entry into the EU was radical. Brexit is the correction


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Kind of like debt forgiveness?



(Sorry that was totally meant to annoy you... I couldn't help myself)

[Pwns]

A blast from the past.

[Col Hogan]

A blast from the past.

And a reminder that today’s arguments, louder and sometime more extreme, are not new...but just a reiteration of what some very smart people tried to tell us years ago...

And that those positions are coming to fruition...

[CAA Flagship]

And a reminder that today’s arguments, louder and sometime more extreme, are not new...but just a reiteration of what some very smart people tried to tell us years ago...

And that those positions are coming to fruition...

If the word "fruition" has 3 syllables, why doesn't "fruit" have 2 syllables?

[SDHornet]

A bit late here, but basically the fallout from the (2nd) successful Brexit vote is very similar to what we saw when hilldog lost to Trump.

[CID1990]

And a reminder that today’s arguments, louder and sometime more extreme, are not new...but just a reiteration of what some very smart people tried to tell us years ago...

And that those positions are coming to fruition...

If the word "fruition" has 3 syllables, why doesn't "fruit" have 2 syllables?

Oh no - you’ve got that wrong...

The Brits are ahead of us in this cycle. They voted for Brexit, and then Labour tried to throw up procedural roadblocks to thwart the will of the British people. Then, the British people punished them for their elitist hubris mercilessly in the subsequent elections.

Hillary losing was the original Brexit vote. We are currently in the second stage.




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[Ibanez]

The House of Commons has voted overwhelmingly in favor of Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Brexit deal, finally paving the way for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union later this month after more than four decades of membership.

The deal has cleared its biggest hurdle with the vote that followed a third reading in Parliament, in which 330 voted for and 231 against, putting an end to three years of political wrangling following the 2016 Brexit referendum.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/uk/brexi ... index.html

[SDHornet]

And the UK is out of the EU. More globalist tears to commence soon.

Nigel Farage's last EU Parliament speech a few days ago.

phpBB [video]

[Ivytalk]

Farage is a drama queen, but that speech was epic. The Brits showed up that bitchy EU president and her band of sycophants and toadies.

[Winterborn]

Farage is a drama queen, but that speech was epic. The Brits showed up that bitchy EU president and her band of sycophants and toadies.

I wish they had some decent crowd shots in that clip.

Ursula looks to be a load of fun at parties.

[HI54UNI]

[Ivytalk]

That may be the most efficient act that an EU bureaucrat has ever performed.

[Skjellyfetti]

[Skjellyfetti]

A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK leaving the EU single market and customs union.

The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has benefited them or the country.

Just one in 10 believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS, against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.

Ominously for prime minister Rishi Sunak, who backed Brexit and claimed it would be economically beneficial, only 7% of people think it has helped keep down prices in UK shops, against 63% who think Brexit has been a factor in fuelling inflation and the cost of living crisis.

The poll suggests that seven and a half years on from the referendum the British public now regards Brexit as a failure. Just 22% of voters believe it has been good for the UK in general.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nances-nhs

[dbackjon]

A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK leaving the EU single market and customs union.

The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has benefited them or the country.

Just one in 10 believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS, against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.

Ominously for prime minister Rishi Sunak, who backed Brexit and claimed it would be economically beneficial, only 7% of people think it has helped keep down prices in UK shops, against 63% who think Brexit has been a factor in fuelling inflation and the cost of living crisis.

The poll suggests that seven and a half years on from the referendum the British public now regards Brexit as a failure. Just 22% of voters believe it has been good for the UK in general.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nances-nhs

No surprise. Anything the Right touches turns to shit.

[Caribbean Hen]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nances-nhs

No surprise. Anything the Right touches turns to shit.

Been to NYC lately? Or ever?

[GannonFan]

A clear majority of the British public now believes Brexit has been bad for the UK economy, has driven up prices in shops, and has hampered government attempts to control immigration, according to a poll by Opinium to mark the third anniversary of the UK leaving the EU single market and customs union.

The survey of more than 2,000 UK voters also finds strikingly low numbers of people who believe that Brexit has benefited them or the country.

Just one in 10 believe leaving the EU has helped their personal financial situation, against 35% who say it has been bad for their finances, while just 9% say it has been good for the NHS, against 47% who say it has had a negative effect.

Ominously for prime minister Rishi Sunak, who backed Brexit and claimed it would be economically beneficial, only 7% of people think it has helped keep down prices in UK shops, against 63% who think Brexit has been a factor in fuelling inflation and the cost of living crisis.

The poll suggests that seven and a half years on from the referendum the British public now regards Brexit as a failure. Just 22% of voters believe it has been good for the UK in general.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nances-nhs

The economic impacts are pretty clear - what I don't understand is why they think Brexit has made it harder to control immigration. They literally had no control over immigration prior to Brexit - they had to follow EU rules on freedom of movement. Now they don't. How that means it's harder to control immigration is a mystery to me.