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Looking at Clinton and Trump's sky-high negatives with the general election voters, I've been wondering how a three-way Presidential race among Trump (R), Clinton (D), and Sanders (I) would shake out. As long as Sanders can rack up $5 million per month, $27 at a time, he could make an independent run.

I can't find any polling posing the national race as a three-way race among them. I'd really like to see what those numbers look like.

No one takes a majority of the electoral college votes and the election goes to the House of Representatives, who elects Hillary, with some Republican members abstaining.

Pwns wrote:No one takes a majority of the electoral college votes and the election goes to the House of Representatives, who elects Hillary, with some Republican members abstaining.

Pwns wrote:No one takes a majority of the electoral college votes and the election goes to the House of Representatives, who elects Hillary, with some Republican members abstaining.

You're getting way ahead of me. I just want to see head-to-head polling among the three.

JoltinJoe wrote:Looking at Clinton and Trump's sky-high negatives with the general election voters, I've been wondering how a three-way Presidential race among Trump (R), Clinton (D), and Sanders (I) would shake out. As long as Sanders can rack up $5 million per month, $27 at a time, he could make an independent run.

I can't find any polling posing the national race as a three-way race among them. I'd really like to see what those numbers look like.

In which case Hillary is finished.

Pwns wrote:No one takes a majority of the electoral college votes and the election goes to the House of Representatives, who elects Hillary, with some Republican members abstaining.

What states would Bernie win in that scenario other than Vermont? If he's going to stop anyone from getting 270 then he needs to actually win some of his own. Bernie going independent would open the door for a Trump presidency. At least the message boards would be quite lively in that scenario.

GannonFan wrote:

Pwns wrote:No one takes a majority of the electoral college votes and the election goes to the House of Representatives, who elects Hillary, with some Republican members abstaining.

What states would Bernie win in that scenario other than Vermont? If he's going to stop anyone from getting 270 then he needs to actually win some of his own. Bernie going independent would open the door for a Trump presidency. At least the message boards would be quite lively in that scenario.

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Nice little fix the donks are in, eh?

A better question would be. Which would be more entertaining going into November?

Clinton v Trump v Sanders
Clinton v Cruz v Trump

Or my personal favorite:

Clinton v Cruz v Trump v Sanders



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Bernie would NEVER run independently.

CID1990 wrote:Bernie would NEVER run independently for President.

FIFY.

Cluck U wrote:

CID1990 wrote:Bernie would NEVER run independently for President.

FIFY.

Yeah, that.

He will line right up behind Hillary. Just like that other left-populist bonehead, Fauxcahontas Warren.

GannonFan wrote:

Pwns wrote:No one takes a majority of the electoral college votes and the election goes to the House of Representatives, who elects Hillary, with some Republican members abstaining.

What states would Bernie win in that scenario other than Vermont? If he's going to stop anyone from getting 270 then he needs to actually win some of his own. Bernie going independent would open the door for a Trump presidency. At least the message boards would be quite lively in that scenario.

Bernie potentially wins a number of states, but again, that's getting ahead of the question.

If Bernie conducted national polling, and discovered that he was ahead in a three-way race --

Then, he would need to conduct more polling on a three-way race, on a state-by-state basis, to see if he would win enough states to collect 270 electoral votes.

I suspect Bernie could win many more states, other than Vermont, in a three-way race if the other candidates were Trump and Clinton.

Note: Bernie won almost every NY county last night. And he probably beats Clinton in New York in an open Democratic primary, allowing independents to vote (as in other states).

JoltinJoe wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
What states would Bernie win in that scenario other than Vermont? If he's going to stop anyone from getting 270 then he needs to actually win some of his own. Bernie going independent would open the door for a Trump presidency. At least the message boards would be quite lively in that scenario.

Bernie potentially wins a number of states, but again, that's getting ahead of the question.

If Bernie conducted national polling, and discovered that he was ahead in a three-way race --

Then, he would need to conduct more polling on a three-way race, on a state-by-state basis, to see if he would win enough states to collect 270 electoral votes.

I suspect Bernie could win many more states, other than Vermont, in a three-way race if the other candidates were Trump and Clinton.

Note: Bernie won almost every NY county last night. And he probably beats Clinton in New York in an open Democratic primary, allowing independents to vote (as in other states).

What states does he win other than Vermont? That is the only question of whether a third party run would be worthwhile as it's only about winning states and the electoral votes. Bernie wouldn't win anything in the South so there's half the country. And how does he win New York? He lost by almost 300k votes to Clinton last night, and in a three way race with Trump too no Republican voters are going his way. Maybe he wins Michigan, and maybe he wins Minnesota, but for people who would be afraid of a Trump presidency (and that could happen if it got to the House) they're going to go with the person who can win and that would be Clinton because she can credibly win in a lot more states than Bernie in a 3-way race. I think it would be fascinating if it was a three way race, but Bernie would be a long shot to win much more than Vermont in that kind of election.

GannonFan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
Bernie potentially wins a number of states, but again, that's getting ahead of the question.

If Bernie conducted national polling, and discovered that he was ahead in a three-way race --

Then, he would need to conduct more polling on a three-way race, on a state-by-state basis, to see if he would win enough states to collect 270 electoral votes.

I suspect Bernie could win many more states, other than Vermont, in a three-way race if the other candidates were Trump and Clinton.

Note: Bernie won almost every NY county last night. And he probably beats Clinton in New York in an open Democratic primary, allowing independents to vote (as in other states).

What states does he win other than Vermont? That is the only question of whether a third party run would be worthwhile as it's only about winning states and the electoral votes. Bernie wouldn't win anything in the South so there's half the country. And how does he win New York? He lost by almost 300k votes to Clinton last night, and in a three way race with Trump too no Republican voters are going his way. Maybe he wins Michigan, and maybe he wins Minnesota, but for people who would be afraid of a Trump presidency (and that could happen if it got to the House) they're going to go with the person who can win and that would be Clinton because she can credibly win in a lot more states than Bernie in a 3-way race. I think it would be fascinating if it was a three way race, but Bernie would be a long shot to win much more than Vermont in that kind of election.

Bernie might have won the Democratic primary in New York if it were an open primary. As is, he won almost every county in New York.

You won't know until you do three-way polling in every state, but I think he'd win a number of blue states in a three-way race.

JoltinJoe wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
What states does he win other than Vermont? That is the only question of whether a third party run would be worthwhile as it's only about winning states and the electoral votes. Bernie wouldn't win anything in the South so there's half the country. And how does he win New York? He lost by almost 300k votes to Clinton last night, and in a three way race with Trump too no Republican voters are going his way. Maybe he wins Michigan, and maybe he wins Minnesota, but for people who would be afraid of a Trump presidency (and that could happen if it got to the House) they're going to go with the person who can win and that would be Clinton because she can credibly win in a lot more states than Bernie in a 3-way race. I think it would be fascinating if it was a three way race, but Bernie would be a long shot to win much more than Vermont in that kind of election.

Bernie might have won the Democratic primary in New York if it were an open primary. As is, he won almost every county in New York.

You won't know until you do three-way polling in every state, but I think he'd win a number of blue states in a three-way race.

I still don't understand the bringing up of which counties he won. Didn't Mitt Romney win a heckuva lot more counties nationwide than Obama did? Winning a lot of counties with very small in number, mainly white populations doesn't mean a whole lot.

He's saying if it were an open primary Bernie would have done better in New York.

The general election will allow a larger segment of the population.

Skjellyfetti wrote:He's saying if it were an open primary Bernie would have done better in New York.

The general election will allow a larger segment of the population.

This. Independents, who are voting for Bernie, weren't allowed to vote yesterday.

JoltinJoe wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
What states does he win other than Vermont? That is the only question of whether a third party run would be worthwhile as it's only about winning states and the electoral votes. Bernie wouldn't win anything in the South so there's half the country. And how does he win New York? He lost by almost 300k votes to Clinton last night, and in a three way race with Trump too no Republican voters are going his way. Maybe he wins Michigan, and maybe he wins Minnesota, but for people who would be afraid of a Trump presidency (and that could happen if it got to the House) they're going to go with the person who can win and that would be Clinton because she can credibly win in a lot more states than Bernie in a 3-way race. I think it would be fascinating if it was a three way race, but Bernie would be a long shot to win much more than Vermont in that kind of election.

Bernie might have won the Democratic primary in New York if it were an open primary. As is, he won almost every county in New York.

You won't know until you do three-way polling in every state, but I think he'd win a number of blue states in a three-way race.

And how many Republicans would vote for Clinton vs Trump?

dbackjon wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:
Bernie might have won the Democratic primary in New York if it were an open primary. As is, he won almost every county in New York.

You won't know until you do three-way polling in every state, but I think he'd win a number of blue states in a three-way race.

And how many Republicans would vote for Clinton vs Trump?

According to JSO, Republicans aren't voting for Trump.

Before Bernie even finished saying "going to run independent", there'd be a Vince Foster squad putting on its gear.

93henfan wrote:Before Bernie even finished saying "going to run independent", there'd be a Vince Foster squad putting on its gear.

Just like the one that took out Obama!

Ibanez wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:He's saying if it were an open primary Bernie would have done better in New York.

The general election will allow a larger segment of the population.

This. Independents, who are voting for Bernie, weren't allowed to vote yesterday.

Yes,
... and to further clarify, there are many more independents in the upstate counties -- and he still won just about every county in New York. Hillary won because of her strength in NYC, and NYC primary voters outnumber the rest of the state in the Dem primary,

But if you start letting upstate independents vote, those numbers are likely to change.

If you could somehow have a three way race like that in the general election I think the most likely outcome is that Trump would win a plurality. But if you had Trump running against either Clinton or Sanders individually he would get trounced. So it'd depend if you had a runoff type of situation. If you didn't and Trump could win by winning a plurality among the three he'd probably win. But if it were a situation where there'd be a runoff so that he'd have to beat either one of the other two head to head he's have no shot.

Gee. That sounds familiar.