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Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:16 am
by kalm
Cruz has a solution and NYPD Chief Bratton and Mayor Deblasio don't like it one bit:
"If you have a neighborhood where there's a high level of gang activity, the way to prevent it is you increase the law enforcement presence there and you target the gang members to get them off the streets," the Texas senator told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "I'm talking about any area where there is a higher incidence of radical Islamic terrorism."
Earlier in the day Cruz said in a statement, "We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized," adding that the U.S. can no longer afford to "political correctness."
"For years, the West has tried to deny this enemy exists out of a combination of political correctness and fear. We can no longer afford either. Our European allies are now seeing what comes of a toxic mix of migrants who have been infiltrated by terrorists and isolated, radical Muslim neighborhoods," Cruz said in the statement.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/ ... index.html
"I would remind the senator that he lives in the United States of America, and the statements he made today is why he’s not gonna become the president of this country,” Bratton said during a joint press conference with Mayor Bill de Blasio. “We don’t need a president that doesn’t respect the values that form the foundation of this country."
DeBlasio pointed out that the NYPD has over 900 muslim police officers, many of whom pull double duty in the National Guard. Bratton added “They serve as active duty members of the U.S. Military in combat, something the senator has never seen.”
Burn!
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Perhaps Kasich had the most reasonable response?
"We are not at war with Islam, we are at war with radical Islam," Kasich said during a news conference. "Just because you happen to be a Muslim does not mean you want to destroy someone in the West.... The last thing we need is more polarization because for those who want to preserve Islam in the west, we alienate them."
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:45 am
by 93henfan
Geert Wilders, leader of Dutch Party For Freedom wrote:
“I fear that we ain’t seen nothing yet. According to Europol 3,000 to 5,000 European jihadists, who went to Syria to fight in the ranks of IS and similar terrorist groups, have meanwhile returned to Western Europe. Some of them hid among the hundreds of thousands of Islamic asylum seekers that entered Europe from Asia and Africa.
“Two of last November’s terrorist in Paris had fought in Syria. So had the terrorist who, last August, attempted to attack the high speed train between Amsterdam and Paris. So had the two terrorists who, in January 2015, massacred the editorial staff of Charlie Hebdo. So had the terrorist who, in May 2014, shot four people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels”.
“This is amazing to me that these people can kill people abroad, come here, and then walk free in the centre of Brussels. Returned Syria fighters are a huge threat. They are dangerous predators roaming our streets. It is absolutely unbelievable that our governments allow them to return. And it is incredible that, once returned, they are not imprisoned.
“In the Netherlands, we have dozens of these returned jihadists. Our government allows most of them to freely walk our streets and refuses to lock them up. I demand that they be detained at once. Every government in the West, which refuses to do so, is a moral accessory if one of these monsters commits an atrocity."
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:49 am
by kalm
93henfan wrote:Geert Wilders, leader of Dutch Party For Freedom wrote:
“I fear that we ain’t seen nothing yet. According to Europol 3,000 to 5,000 European jihadists, who went to Syria to fight in the ranks of IS and similar terrorist groups, have meanwhile returned to Western Europe. Some of them hid among the hundreds of thousands of Islamic asylum seekers that entered Europe from Asia and Africa.
“Two of last November’s terrorist in Paris had fought in Syria. So had the terrorist who, last August, attempted to attack the high speed train between Amsterdam and Paris. So had the two terrorists who, in January 2015, massacred the editorial staff of Charlie Hebdo. So had the terrorist who, in May 2014, shot four people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels”.
“This is amazing to me that these people can kill people abroad, come here, and then walk free in the centre of Brussels. Returned Syria fighters are a huge threat. They are dangerous predators roaming our streets. It is absolutely unbelievable that our governments allow them to return. And it is incredible that, once returned, they are not imprisoned.
“In the Netherlands, we have dozens of these returned jihadists. Our government allows most of them to freely walk our streets and refuses to lock them up. I demand that they be detained at once. Every government in the West, which refuses to do so, is a moral accessory if one of these monsters commits an atrocity."
If we know who they are they should be detained and given a day in court.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:55 am
by 93henfan
So the above facts being considered, the first step is to stop any asylum/refugees immediately. Let them go to other camel jockey countries. They'll assimilate better there. Then go after the radicals here.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:58 am
by kalm
93henfan wrote:So the above facts being considered, the first step is to stop any asylum/refugees immediately. Let them go to other camel jockey countries. They'll assimilate better there. Then go after the radicals here.
That makes sense although if you're referring to your article, I'd be leery about the facts in it. "Dutch Party for Freedom" sounds suspicious.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:00 am
by Ivytalk
kalm wrote:93henfan wrote:
If we know who they are they should be detained and given a day in court.
Right. Then hang them publicly.

Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:02 am
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:kalm wrote:
If we know who they are they should be detained and given a day in court.
Right. Then hang them publicly.

No. We're better than that.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:05 am
by Ivytalk
kalm wrote:Ivytalk wrote:
Right. Then hang them publicly.

No. We're better than that.
No. We're not. Call it Ivytalk's "Red Queen (no homo) Theory of Justice": "Sentence first, trial after!"
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:09 am
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:kalm wrote:
No. We're better than that.
No. We're not. Call it Ivytalk's "Red Queen (no homo) Theory of Justice": "Sentence first, trial after!"
Merica hater.

Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:58 am
by Ibanez
kalm wrote:Ivytalk wrote:
No. We're not. Call it Ivytalk's "Red Queen (no homo) Theory of Justice": "Sentence first, trial after!"
Merica hater.

What good is a trial?
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:03 am
by 93henfan
kalm wrote:93henfan wrote:So the above facts being considered, the first step is to stop any asylum/refugees immediately. Let them go to other camel jockey countries. They'll assimilate better there. Then go after the radicals here.
That makes sense although if you're referring to your article, I'd be leery about the facts in it. "Dutch Party for Freedom" sounds suspicious.
Agree. I could see the same guy starting a campaign to rename brussel sprouts to freedom cabbages.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:22 am
by CAA Flagship
93henfan wrote:kalm wrote:
That makes sense although if you're referring to your article, I'd be leery about the facts in it. "Dutch Party for Freedom" sounds suspicious.
Agree. I could see the same guy starting a campaign to rename brussel sprouts to freedom cabbages.
Pee stink.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:29 am
by ASUG8
93henfan wrote:kalm wrote:
That makes sense although if you're referring to your article, I'd be leery about the facts in it. "Dutch Party for Freedom" sounds suspicious.
Agree. I could see the same guy starting a campaign to rename brussel sprouts to
freedom cabbages.

Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:52 am
by 89Hen
Cruz wrote:I'm talking about any area where there is a higher incidence of radical Islamic terrorism.
kalm wrote:Perhaps Kasich had the most reasonable response?
"We are not at war with Islam, we are at war with radical Islam,"
I'm no Cruz fan, but what am I missing here?
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:03 am
by kalm
89Hen wrote:Cruz wrote:I'm talking about any area where there is a higher incidence of radical Islamic terrorism.
kalm wrote:Perhaps Kasich had the most reasonable response?
I'm no Cruz fan, but what am I missing here?
Agreed. It seems like a little bit of over-reaction theater by Deblasio and Bratton.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:12 am
by 89Hen
kalm wrote:89Hen wrote:
I'm no Cruz fan, but what am I missing here?
Agreed. It seems like a little bit of over-reaction theater by Deblasio and Bratton.
I thought by your "Burn!" comment you agreed with them.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:33 am
by Ivytalk
kalm wrote:89Hen wrote:
I'm no Cruz fan, but what am I missing here?
Agreed. It seems like a little bit of over-reaction theater by Deblasio and Bratton.
"Red Bill" DeBlasio is a commsymp (remember Agnew?) race-baiter.

Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:38 am
by kalm
89Hen wrote:kalm wrote:
Agreed. It seems like a little bit of over-reaction theater by Deblasio and Bratton.
I thought by your "Burn!" comment you agreed with them.
I don't think I do. It was just a good burn. Cruz is a douche of the highest order.
I also kind of agree with Trump on stopping immigration from certain countries for awhile...as a temporary precaution...remember...
POST-PARTISAN!!!!!

Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:45 am
by 89Hen
kalm wrote:It was just a good burn.
We'll have to disagree on that one.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:49 am
by ASUG8
kalm wrote:89Hen wrote:
I'm no Cruz fan, but what am I missing here?
Agreed. It seems like a little bit of over-reaction theater by Deblasio and Bratton.
If you experience increased drug or gang-related activity in a city, you generally increase patrols. I can't really determine the difference in having a higher police presence in areas where there is known unrest in Muslim areas of a city.
Of course, we're all about absolutely "not profiling" and protecting people's feewings even though they fit the demographic.

Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:24 am
by kalm
89Hen wrote:kalm wrote:It was just a good burn.
We'll have to disagree on that one.
There's nothing worse than tough guy talk or for that matter pro business talk from dudes who are neither tough (and have served) nor have ever run a business.

Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:40 am
by 89Hen
kalm wrote:89Hen wrote:
We'll have to disagree on that one.
There's nothing worse than tough guy talk or for that matter pro business talk from dudes who are neither tough (and have served) nor have ever run a business.

So you're an Obama guy. No talk from a dude who is neither tough nor has ever run a business. Gotcha.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:13 am
by Baldy
kalm wrote:89Hen wrote:
We'll have to disagree on that one.
There's nothing worse than tough guy talk or for that matter pro business talk from dudes who are neither tough (and have served) nor have ever run a business.

Bernie sure loves to talk tough about Big Business and Wall Street. Where does his lack of experience in either fall in this manner?

Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:53 am
by kalm
Baldy wrote:kalm wrote:
There's nothing worse than tough guy talk or for that matter pro business talk from dudes who are neither tough (and have served) nor have ever run a business.

Bernie sure loves to talk tough about Big Business and Wall Street. Where does his lack of experience in either fall in this manner?

Being a democratic socialist, he's certainly open to that criticism. But I don't remember him bragging about how he's good for business other than perhaps saying he's supportive of domestic industry.
Re: Muslim Neighborhoods and Refugees
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:18 am
by CID1990
DeBlasio signs Bratton's paycheck, and even if he didn't, Bratton is a political police chief.
Cruz isn't wrong on this one.