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Firstly:
I'm not voting for Trump regardless what happens
Nor am I voting for Hilary regardless of what happens

That aside:
Why Trump is good

1) Anything that annoys Europe as much as Donald Trump - can't be all bad
2) Anything that annoys the tediously politically correct - by default is good
3) Anything that makes entrenched Liberals lose their sh!t and fight in the streets - is good
4) Anything that exposes the Republican base for what it truly is - is good
5) Anything that shakes up this sleeping moribund nation and gets voters off their asses - is good



TRUMP = GOOD

And when people that are too stupid to get a job at Wal-Mart have political television shows

Chizzang wrote:Firstly:
I'm not voting for Trump regardless what happens
Nor am I voting for Hilary regardless of what happens

That aside:
Why Trump is good

1) Anything that annoys Europe as much as Donald Trump - can't be all bad
2) Anything that annoys the tediously politically correct - by default is good
3) Anything that makes entrenched Liberals lose their sh!t and fight in the streets - is good
4) Anything that exposes the Republican base for what it truly is - is good
5) Anything that shakes up this sleeping moribund nation and gets voters off their asses - is good



TRUMP = GOOD

And when people that are too stupid to get a job at Wal-Mart have political television shows

If that dude from FOX believes in GOD then I don't know why he would have to ask that question.

Damn you to hell, Chizzang, for trolling a point-by-point rebuttal from JSO. /thread!

Chizzang wrote:Firstly:
I'm not voting for Trump regardless what happens
Nor am I voting for Hilary regardless of what happens

That aside:
Why Trump is good

1) Anything that annoys Europe as much as Donald Trump - can't be all bad
2) Anything that annoys the tediously politically correct - by default is good
3) Anything that makes entrenched Liberals lose their sh!t and fight in the streets - is good
4) Anything that exposes the Republican base for what it truly is - is good
5) Anything that shakes up this sleeping moribund nation and gets voters off their asses - is good



TRUMP = GOOD

And when people that are too stupid to get a job at Wal-Mart have political television shows

I gladdened by the fact that finally Americans are interested enough to get pissed off.

Now lets take it outside and show the world what a bunch of pussies Trump's Chumps are. They would have had their asses handed to them in Chicago if the Donald weren't chickenshit.

Chizzang wrote:1) Anything that annoys Europe as much as Donald Trump - can't be all bad

Is this another Hitler - Trump comparison?

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Chizzang wrote:1) Anything that annoys Europe as much as Donald Trump - can't be all bad

Is this another Hitler - Trump comparison?

Chizzang wrote: 4) Anything that exposes the Republican base for what it truly is - is good

I think it's an oversimplification to say "they don't care about small government, they only oppose big government out of fears the darkies will suck the system dry".

I'd argue the appeal of Trump is a pushback against identity politics that has been strong for the past several years. You have the whole beer gate thing where Obama said police officers "acted stupidly" when they really didn't, you have the Trayvon Martin upheaval, you have the Ferguson poopstorm where Obama went far out of his way to try and prove Darren Wilson guilty when it was probably not even really neccesary, and you have Freddie Gray and the craziness at Mizzou among others. And there's the ridiculous "war on wimmin™" rhetoric from the donks, too.

All of this has been brewing for a while. Identity politics are to politics today what the social issues were to 2000 and 2004…just crap that deemphasizes real issues.

Pwns wrote:

Chizzang wrote: 4) Anything that exposes the Republican base for what it truly is - is good

I think it's an oversimplification to say "they don't care about small government, they only oppose big government out of fears the darkies will suck the system dry".

I'd argue the appeal of Trump is a pushback against identity politics that has been strong for the past several years. You have the whole beer gate thing where Obama said police officers "acted stupidly" when they really didn't, you have the Trayvon Martin upheaval, you have the Ferguson poopstorm where Obama went far out of his way to try and prove Darren Wilson guilty when it was probably not even really neccesary, and you have Freddie Gray and the craziness at Mizzou among others. And there's the ridiculous "war on wimmin™" rhetoric from the donks, too.

All of this has been brewing for a while. Identity politics are to politics today what the social issues were to 2000 and 2004…just crap that deemphasizes real issues.

That's because identity politics and focus on social issues stir up the uneducated, mouth-breathing, single issue voters on both sides. And 98% of the time you need those votes to get elected. John Kasich is living proof you can't be just a good political mind and get elected.

Might as well share it here too...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-9kZb9nDoE[/youtube]

89Hen wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-9kZb9nDoE[/youtube]

Perfect photoshop! Hope they didn't rough the old guy up.

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:Might as well share it here too...

Anything that exposes the Republican base for what it truly is - is good

The Republican base does not support Trump. And that's a problem for him if he gets the nomination. The Republican base will not fully support him. Some will go ahead and hold their noses and vote for him. But a very large number of them will vote third party or abstain.

JohnStOnge wrote:

Anything that exposes the Republican base for what it truly is - is good

The Republican base does not support Trump. And that's a problem for him if he gets the nomination. The Republican base will not fully support him. Some will go ahead and hold their noses and vote for him. But a very large number of them will vote third party or abstain.

He said Republican base, not Republican establishment.

He said Republican base, not Republican establishment.

Yes, I know. And that's what I"m talking about. I remember when the Tea Party thing started. I was never real taken by it because I thought there are some contradictions to it. But I know a number of people who were all big into it. And not a single one of them likes Trump.

I think you suffer from a misconception people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity do. They think this is just the Republican establishment not liking Trump. It's not just the Republican establishment. There are many, many people who are very ANTI establishment Republicans who find Trump to be absolutely repulsive.

JohnStOnge wrote:

He said Republican base, not Republican establishment.

Yes, I know. And that's what I"m talking about. I remember when the Tea Party thing started. I was never real taken by it because I thought there are some contradictions to it. But I know a number of people who were all big into it. And not a single one of them likes Trump.

I think you suffer from a misconception people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity do. They think this is just the Republican establishment not liking Trump. It's not just the Republican establishment. There are many, many people who are very ANTI establishment Republicans who find Trump to be absolutely repulsive.

You may not understand what the Republican base is.

JohnStOnge wrote:

He said Republican base, not Republican establishment.

Yes, I know. And that's what I"m talking about. I remember when the Tea Party thing started. I was never real taken by it because I thought there are some contradictions to it. But I know a number of people who were all big into it. And not a single one of them likes Trump.

I think you suffer from a misconception people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity do. They think this is just the Republican establishment not liking Trump. It's not just the Republican establishment. There are many, many people who are very ANTI establishment Republicans who find Trump to be absolutely repulsive.

Obviously there aren't enough, otherwise he wouldn't be strolling to the nomination like he is.

You may not understand what the Republican base is.

I'm sure I don't fully understand it. But I do know a lot of people that by historical standards would be considered to be in it. And I know a lot of people who by historical standards would be considered to be "insurgent" Republican base people. And NONE of them like Trump.

I think an interesting research project would be to poll people and identify people who were registered as Republicans one year ago and ask them if they would like for Trump to be the nominee or if they would prefer that he not be. I suspect that the overwhelming majority would prefer that he not be.

I think Trump is benefitting from a lot of people who have not traditionally been Republicans voting in Republican primaries for him. I even saw a liberal radio talk show host on CNN the other day saying that about half of his callers who say they voted for Trump are Democrats who voted for Trump in the primary because they want him to get into the general election as they think he is the easiest candidate to beat. And we have all seen reports about how Democrats are switching to Republican so they can vote for him in the primaries.

I really don't think this is a "Republican base" thing. Sure, some members of the Republican base are undoubtably voting for him. But I suspect that if only people who have historically been members of the "Republican base" were voting he wouldn't be doing so well. I really do think that, whether establishment or insurgent, a substantial majority of people who have historically been Republican do NOT want Trump to be the nominee.

Grizalltheway wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
Yes, I know. And that's what I"m talking about. I remember when the Tea Party thing started. I was never real taken by it because I thought there are some contradictions to it. But I know a number of people who were all big into it. And not a single one of them likes Trump.

I think you suffer from a misconception people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity do. They think this is just the Republican establishment not liking Trump. It's not just the Republican establishment. There are many, many people who are very ANTI establishment Republicans who find Trump to be absolutely repulsive.

Obviously there aren't enough, otherwise he wouldn't be strolling to the nomination like he is.

The obvious - it isn't quite obvious enough for John...

John,
where all these people who don't like Trump
and why aren't they voting..?

Everything you said John would sound true if the numbers supported you
I think you just described Rubio, not the double digit leader

JohnStOnge wrote:

Anything that exposes the Republican base for what it truly is - is good

The Republican base does not support Trump. And that's a problem for him if he gets the nomination. The Republican base will not fully support him. Some will go ahead and hold their noses and vote for him. But a very large number of them will vote third party or abstain.

There are an awful lot of Republicans that have chosen Trump over career politicians. I'm not sure you can continue to say the Republican base/establishment don't support him when polling and primary results suggest otherwise.

"Knowledge is good." -- motto of Faber College.

Trump's problem, beyond the hateful rhetoric, is that he's supported by the plurality of Republicans, not the majority. He'll win again today and likely wrap up the nomination, but the fact that he's divided the GOP instead of uniting the party isn't a good sign.

Republicans already had an uphill battle this year if you look at the electoral map. Now that the majority of moderates and almost 100% of Democrats would never vote for him, it almost makes Clinton an inevitability.

∞∞∞ wrote:Trump's problem, beyond the hateful rhetoric, is that he's supported by the plurality of Republicans, not the majority. He'll win again today and likely wrap up the nomination, but the fact that he's divided the GOP instead of uniting the party isn't a good sign.

Republicans already had an uphill battle this year if you look at the electoral map. Now that the majority of moderates and almost 100% of Democrats would never vote for him, it almost makes Clinton an inevitability.

You're clueless.

BDKJMU wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote:Trump's problem, beyond the hateful rhetoric, is that he's supported by the plurality of Republicans, not the majority. He'll win again today and likely wrap up the nomination, but the fact that he's divided the GOP instead of uniting the party isn't a good sign.

Republicans already had an uphill battle this year if you look at the electoral map. Now that the majority of moderates and almost 100% of Democrats would never vote for him, it almost makes Clinton an inevitability.

You're clueless.

Trip StOnge.

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 5#p1040825

Trump has the highest unfavorability rating among Republicans. 58%. There are plenty of Republicans who don't like him. The idea that the whole party is enthusiastically backing him just isn't backed up by the hard numbers.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/don ... on-voters/