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houndawg wrote:I'm a bit surprised that nobody has yet mentioned the treason of the 47 congresspeople caught being bribed by Israel.

Ballboy? BDKHD? AZGrease? You boys just don't have the moxie you did when Tman was here to tell you what you think.

Ibanez wrote:

houndawg wrote:I'm a bit surprised that nobody has yet mentioned the treason of the 47 congresspeople caught being bribed by Israel.

Ballboy? BDKHD? AZGrease? You boys just don't have the moxie you did when Tman was here to tell you what you think.

Link?

houndawg wrote:I'm a bit surprised that nobody has yet mentioned the treason of the 47 congresspeople caught being bribed by Israel.

Ballboy? BDKHD? AZGrease? You boys just don't have the moxie you did when Tman was here to tell you what you think.

CID1990 wrote:Bribery?

I have a problem with foreign lobbies, but I have a bigger problem with using state intelligence services to monitor communications between those lobbies and Congresscritters, Comrade.

In January 2014, I debated Rep. Hoekstra about NSA spying and he could not have been more mocking and dismissive of the privacy concerns I was invoking. “Spying is a matter of fact,” he scoffed. As Andrew Krietz, the journalist who covered that debate, reported, Hoekstra “laughs at foreign governments who are shocked they’ve been spied on because they, too, gather information” — referring to anger from German and Brazilian leaders. As TechDirt noted, “Hoekstra attacked a bill called the RESTORE Act, that would have granted a tiny bit more oversight over situations where (you guessed it) the NSA was collecting information on Americans.”

But all that, of course, was before Hoekstra knew that he and his Israeli friends were swept up in the spying of which he was so fond. Now that he knows that it is his privacy and those of his comrades that has been invaded, he is no longer cavalier about it. In fact, he’s so furious that this long-time NSA cheerleader is actually calling for the criminal prosecution of the NSA and Obama officials for the crime of spying on him and his friends.

This pattern — whereby political officials who are vehement supporters of the Surveillance State transform overnight into crusading privacy advocates once they learn that they themselves have been spied on — is one that has repeated itself over and over. It has been seen many times as part of the Snowden revelations, but also well before that.

In 2005, the New York Times revealed that the Bush administration ordered the NSA to spy on the telephone calls of Americans without the warrants required by law, and the paper ultimately won the Pulitzer Prize for doing so. The politician who did more than anyone to suffocate that scandal and ensure there were no consequences was then-Congresswoman Jane Harman, the ranking Democratic member on the House Intelligence Committee.

Jane Harman Former Congresswoman Jane Harman, D-Calif., in 2010. Photo: Lauren Victoria Burke/APIn the wake of that NSA scandal, Harman went on every TV show she could find and categorically defended Bush’s warrantless NSA program as “both legal and necessary,” as well as “essential to U.S. national security.” Worse, she railed against the “despicable” whistleblower (Thomas Tamm) who disclosed this crime and even suggested that the newspaper that reported it should have been criminally investigated (but not, of course, the lawbreaking government officials who ordered the spying). Because she was the leading House Democrat on the issue of the NSA, her steadfast support for the Bush/Cheney secret warrantless surveillance program and the NSA generally created the impression that support for this program was bipartisan.

But in 2009 — a mere four years later — Jane Harman did a 180-degree reversal. That’s because it was revealed that her own private conversations had been eavesdropped on by the NSA. Specifically, CQ’s Jeff Stein reported that an NSA wiretap caught Harman “telling a suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department to reduce espionage charges against two officials of American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in exchange for the agent’s agreement to lobby Nancy Pelosi to name Harman chair of the House Intelligence Committee.” Harman vehemently denied that she sought this quid pro quo, but she was so furious that she herself(rather than just ordinary citizens) had been eavesdropped on by the NSA that — just like Pete Hoekstra did yesterday — she transformed overnight into an aggressive and eloquent defender of privacy rights, and demanded investigations of the spying agency that for so long she had defended.

Chizzang wrote:I really believe that if you run for congress (in any capacity) and win you should have to sign this document:

1) I will serve no other higher than the greater good of the United States
2) I will put my country before myself
3) I will put my constituents second only to my country's greater good
4) If convicted of any crime or misconduct I agree to be tried for HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE STATE
5) If convicted I will serve a minimum 20 years in federal prison as a common criminal with no chance of paroll


And thus ^ begins any career venture into politics in America

Baldy wrote:

Chizzang wrote:I really believe that if you run for congress (in any capacity) and win you should have to sign this document:

1) I will serve no other higher than the greater good of the United States
2) I will put my country before myself
3) I will put my constituents second only to my country's greater good
4) If convicted of any crime or misconduct I agree to be tried for HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE STATE
5) If convicted I will serve a minimum 20 years in federal prison as a common criminal with no chance of paroll


And thus ^ begins any career venture into politics in America

OK....

Did you misspell payroll or did you mean to type parole?

Chizzang wrote:

Baldy wrote: OK....

Did you misspell payroll or did you mean to type parole?

I was going pretty fast parole seems more accurate

Chizzang wrote:1) I will serve no other higher than the greater good of the United States

Chizzang wrote:I really believe that if you run for congress (in any capacity) and win you should have to sign this document:

1) I will serve no other higher than the greater good of the United States
2) I will put my country before myself
3) I will put my constituents second only to my country's greater good
4) If convicted of any crime or misconduct I agree to be tried for HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE STATE
5) If convicted I will serve a minimum 20 years in federal prison as a common criminal with no chance of paroll


And thus ^ begins any career venture into politics in America

Chizzang wrote:I really believe that if you run for congress (in any capacity) and win you should have to sign this document:

1) I will serve no other higher than the greater good of the United States
2) I will put my country before myself
3) I will put my constituents second only to my country's greater good
4) If convicted of any crime or misconduct I agree to be tried for HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE STATE
5) If convicted I will serve a minimum 20 years in federal prison as a common criminal with no chance of paroll


And thus ^ begins any career venture into politics in America

Chizzang wrote:I really believe that if you run for congress (in any capacity) and win you should have to sign this document:

1) I will serve no other higher than the greater good of the United States
2) I will put my country before myself
3) I will put my constituents second only to my country's greater good
4) If convicted of any crime or misconduct I agree to be tried for HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE STATE
5) If convicted I will serve a minimum 20 years in federal prison as a common criminal with no chance of paroll


And thus ^ begins any career venture into politics in America

tribe_pride wrote:

Chizzang wrote:I really believe that if you run for congress (in any capacity) and win you should have to sign this document:

1) I will serve no other higher than the greater good of the United States
2) I will put my country before myself
3) I will put my constituents second only to my country's greater good
4) If convicted of any crime or misconduct I agree to be tried for HIGH TREASON AGAINST THE STATE
5) If convicted I will serve a minimum 20 years in federal prison as a common criminal with no chance of paroll


And thus ^ begins any career venture into politics in America

Nobody in their right mind would ever agree to 4 or 5. If they did, because of the idiocy of agreeing to that, I don't think I'd want them to be my congressman.

CitadelGrad wrote:Every member of Congress is being bribed by somebody.

CitadelGrad wrote:Every member of Congress is being bribed by somebody.