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I'm betting on "disturbed loner".

ISIS has thrown more queers off buildings in Syria in the last 3 years than all abortion mill shootings, ever.

BTW not even MSNBC has called this a pro-life motivated shooting yet. It might be, but you're jumping the shark, Felchy.

If it was a "pro life" motivation I have two issues with it. First, he did it in way that resulted in at least one person who had nothing to do with Planned Parenthood being killed. Second, it's bad public relations. When you look at the big picture it helps the pro abortion cause.

But I do not view the basic act of killing an abortion provider as morally wrong. Like if someone picks off an "abortion doctor." To me it's like if you see someone about to lop off a 2 year old's head with a machete so you pick them off with a rifle. You stop them from killing that innocent. That fact that we have an immoral law that sanctions killing innocents doesn't change the moral equation.

But, again, if you look at the big picture it's not a good thing to do because it's just going to generate sympathy for those engaged in the slaughter of innocents. It won't save any lives because another abortion doctor will just step up to slaughter the innocents that would've been slaughtered by the first one. And it'll help the "slaughter the innocents" cause politically.

JohnStOnge wrote:If it was a "pro life" motivation I have two issues with it. First, he did it in way that resulted in at least one person who had nothing to do with Planned Parenthood being killed. Second, it's bad public relations. When you look at the big picture it helps the pro abortion cause.

But I do not view the basic act of killing an abortion provider as morally wrong. Like if someone picks off an "abortion doctor." To me it's like if you see someone about to lop off a 2 year old's head with a machete so you pick them off with a rifle. You stop them from killing that innocent. That fact that we have an immoral law that sanctions killing innocents doesn't change the moral equation.

But, again, if you look at the big picture it's not a good thing to do because it's just going to generate sympathy for those engaged in the slaughter of innocents. It won't save any lives because another abortion doctor will just step up to slaughter the innocents that would've been slaughtered by the first one. And it'll help the "slaughter the innocents" cause politically.

What about the cop he killed in the shootout?

Just some collateral damage in your war?

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I read that the building was full of dead bodies...in the mass shooting at the Planned Parenthood building how many adults were killed inside the building?

CID1990 wrote:ISIS has thrown more queers off buildings in Syria in the last 3 years than all abortion mill shootings, ever.

BTW not even MSNBC has called this a pro-life motivated shooting yet. It might be, but you're jumping the shark, Felchy.

This is not Syria

And if people are so concerned about gays in the Middle East in they should be offering him immediate asylum like Canada is

There literally have been dozens of attacks on abortion clinics in the past 10 years all by right wing Christians so I think it's pretty safe to assume that this terrorist is a right wing

CID1990 wrote:ISIS has thrown more queers off buildings in Syria in the last 3 years than all abortion mill shootings, ever.

BTW not even MSNBC has called this a pro-life motivated shooting yet. It might be, but you're jumping the shark, Felchy.

Oh please...
Thanks for providing a nice place to hide in plane sight for the dangerously insane Christians

"In the United States since 1990 there have been 41 bombings and 173 arson's and 655 such terror threats made against abortion providers..."



You'll need to get extra busy defending that Christian American behavior
You might as well line up with John St.Satan on this one - Who would Jesus murder..?

Chizzang wrote:

CID1990 wrote:ISIS has thrown more queers off buildings in Syria in the last 3 years than all abortion mill shootings, ever.

BTW not even MSNBC has called this a pro-life motivated shooting yet. It might be, but you're jumping the shark, Felchy.

Oh please...
Thanks for providing a nice place to hide in plane sight for the dangerously insane Christians

"In the United States since 1990 there have been 41 bombings and 173 arson's and 655 such terror threats made against abortion providers..."



You'll need to get extra busy defending that Christian American behavior
You might as well line up with John St.Satan on this one - Who would Jesus murder..?

Thank you very much, Mr Indignant

Whacko Christians do in fact blow up/shoot at/threaten abortion mills

It isn't an epidemic nor is it a threat to polite society- and it shouldn't come as a surprise that a few people think that violence is the answer to the killing of the unborn

and like you've said yourself- I'll take the Christian shitheads over the Muslin ones any day

now let's send this whacko off to the needle if he isnt too batshit crazy

my guess is he is

This is a despicable crime, but it isn't terrorism.

Nothing about this act terrorizes me.

Terrorists intend to incite mass fear within the population at large by acts of violence that randomly strike people as they go about their daily lives. Terrorists send the message that it could have been you, and you might be next.

This was a targeted act of political and social violence.

JoltinJoe wrote:This is a despicable crime, but it isn't terrorism.

Nothing about this act terrorizes me.

Terrorists intend to incite mass fear within the population at large by acts of violence that randomly strike people as they go about their daily lives. Terrorists send the message that it could have been you, and you might be next.

This was a targeted act of political and social violence.

What a crock of shit.

You should probably back away from commenting on these situations. It makes you look dumb.

The 24/7 news cycle gave this story the attention it merited and has already moved on.

What happened in Paris is still dominating the news coverage.

Get it?

Even the media get the difference between this event and terrorism.

Only people who think like you do (if one can call that "thinking") believe this is terrorism.

JoltinJoe wrote:

The 24/7 news cycle gave this story the attention it merited and has already moved on.

What happened in Paris is still dominating the news coverage.

Get it?

Even the media get the difference between this event and terrorism.

Only people who think like you do (if one can call that "thinking") believe this is terrorism.

Huh?

How many deaths before it becomes terrorism worthy then? 7? 16? 54? 108? Um yea...the Paris attacks are more news worthy. Brilliant!

How many threats and acts of violence have been perpetrated against PP?

Some people would say Patriot League Football isn't really football and doesn't really belong in the playoffs. Tell that to UNH today.

Now, why don't you run along, use that fancy degree of yours, and double check on the definition of terrorism.

While you're at it, why don't you post the 13th video in the Center for Medical Progress series. You know...the one that REALLY has the goods on profiteering from fetal research.

Godspeed!

JoltinJoe wrote:

The 24/7 news cycle gave this story the attention it merited and has already moved on.

What happened in Paris is still dominating the news coverage.

Get it?

Even the media get the difference between this event and terrorism.

Only people who think like you do (if one can call that "thinking") believe this is terrorism.

It's terrorism.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigat ... definition

kalm wrote:What about the cop he killed in the shootout?

Just some collateral damage in your war?

The cop is who I was taking about when I said I had two issues with what this person did then said, "First, he did it in way that resulted in at least one person who had nothing to do with Planned Parenthood being killed."

An example associated with one reason I could never be a cop, by the way. There are too many laws and bodies of law I disagree with. I could never, for instance, go to the rescue of people in a Planned Parenthood clinic because to me they're as bad as NAZI guards in a concentration camp herding people into gas chambers.

I could never arrest somebody for possessing illegal drugs. Could never arrest a woman for prostitution. So on and so forth.

I know that as a society we can't do without police. But I sure as heck could never be one.

It's terrorism.

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I don't know if what happened in this case meets any of those definitions or not. It could be that there's something I haven't heard yet but all those definitions include the condition that it's an act intended to influence the actions of government or coerce the civilian population.

I haven't heard anything about him having any motivation like that.

JohnStOnge wrote:

It's terrorism.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigat ... definition" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't know if what happened in this case meets any of those definitions or not. It could be that there's something I haven't heard yet but all those definitions include the condition that it's an act intended to influence the actions of government or coerce the civilian population.

I haven't heard anything about him having any motivation like that.

John you hilarious simp...That Voltaire quote in your signature
is about idiotic religious people - you know that (Right..?)
People like your family who refuse to use logic and reason in the 21st century

and I find that both funny and curious as hell

Suspect used to live in Black Mountain, NC.

kalm wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:This is a despicable crime, but it isn't terrorism.

Nothing about this act terrorizes me.

Terrorists intend to incite mass fear within the population at large by acts of violence that randomly strike people as they go about their daily lives. Terrorists send the message that it could have been you, and you might be next.

This was a targeted act of political and social violence.

What a crock of shit.

You should probably back away from commenting on these situations. It makes you look dumb.

Unless you work at an abortion clinic you're probably safe. Safe = NOT terrorized. Not terrorized = NOT terrorism.

93henfan wrote:

JoltinJoe wrote:

The 24/7 news cycle gave this story the attention it merited and has already moved on.

What happened in Paris is still dominating the news coverage.

Get it?

Even the media get the difference between this event and terrorism.

Only people who think like you do (if one can call that "thinking") believe this is terrorism.

It's terrorism.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigat ... definition

Look, I get the "white Christian extremist terrorism" has political value -- but under the the definition of "domestic terrorism" within that statute, this act doesn't fit.

It this case is going federal, it's going to be based on civil rights violations. But under state law, these actions constitute murder, and likely capital murder.

AshevilleApp wrote:Suspect used to live in Black Mountain, NC.

connection to Rudolph?

Another lubeboi thread fail.

The "media" did their "due diligence". They even scoured the local voting rolls to try to pin the guy as a nutjob Conk pro-lifer. Registered as "unaffiliated", no ties to right wing groups or the pro-life movement. Just your garden variety nutjob.

That Voltaire quote in your signature
is about idiotic religious people - you know that (Right..?)
People like your family who refuse to use logic and reason in the 21st century

The quote applies nicely in today's context to the overwhelming role of government in our lives. You can't ask government to ensure every aspect of your well being without accepting "chains." Voltaire may have been thinking religion.

I don't agree with your belief that he was making that quote specific to religion. Yes, I know he despised the Catholic Church and its role of the time but I think the quote has broader application. I think the idea is that, in general, people don't really want power and control over their own lives. They are willing to accept substantial "chains" in order to feel secure.

And this is the wrong issue to be trying to lecture me about "logic" or science or anything like that. This is one area where our culture completely ignores what science says with an AWFUL lot of certainty because it would be inconvenient to do so. The fact that life for a member of our species is established a LOT more firmly than, for instance, the idea that blue whales have single celled organisms as ancestors way back when is. A LOT more. It is not a "theory." It is a very firmly established, well validated, fact.

But our culture wants to and does find ways to deny that...to come up with subjective criteria, etc., so that people can justify killing their own progeny if they think the existence of that progeny inconveniences them. And they come up with all kinds of sob stories as to why its OK to kill an innocent individual when the truth in the overwhelming majority of cases they would rather take a life than accept responsibility for the consequences of their own voluntary decision to engage in sexual intercourse.

Then we have Planned Parenthood exploiting the wish to avoid responsibility. About as disgusting an organization as an organization can get. And then you add to that the fact that it was established in order to minimize the population of a particular racial group. Yet the "Progressives" love it. Act like it's some kind of Sacred Icon that must remain permanently fixed on the alter of Liberalism.

AZGrizFan wrote:

kalm wrote:
What a crock of shit.

You should probably back away from commenting on these situations. It makes you look dumb.

Unless you work at an abortion clinic you're probably safe. Safe = NOT terrorized. Not terrorized = NOT terrorism.

And to use JJ's analogy I wasn't planning on going to France, so.....