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our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:09 pm
by Chizzang
Explain this to me:

1) Is it bad that I don't care who our next president is...
2) and that I don't believe (regardless of who it is) that it'll make much difference

:ohno:

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:15 pm
by dbackjon
Chizzang wrote:Explain this to me:

1) Is it bad that I don't care who our next president is...
2) and that I don't believe (regardless of who it is) that it'll make much difference

:ohno:

It makes a difference - if you care about:

The environment
Equality
The Economy

I know it is the bored hipster thing to say that it doesn't make a difference, but in reality, there is a world of difference between the two parties.

If nothing else, up to 4 SCOTUS Justices could die/retire in the next 5 years. Who do you want on the court - crazed ideologues like Thomas/Scalia/Alito, or thoughtful jurists like Ginsburg?

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:45 pm
by kalm
dbackjon wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Explain this to me:

1) Is it bad that I don't care who our next president is...
2) and that I don't believe (regardless of who it is) that it'll make much difference

:ohno:

It makes a difference - if you care about:

The environment
Equality
The Economy

I know it is the bored hipster thing to say that it doesn't make a difference, but in reality, there is a world of difference between the two parties.

If nothing else, up to 4 SCOTUS Justices could die/retire in the next 5 years. Who do you want on the court - crazed ideologues like Thomas/Scalia/Alito, or thoughtful jurists like Ginsburg?
Oooohhh. I like this thread already. :nod:

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:48 pm
by 93henfan
Anyone but Hillary.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:00 pm
by Ibanez
93henfan wrote:Anyone but Hillary.
Has anyone looked at the Cliff Clavin Theory?

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:11 pm
by travelinman67
93henfan wrote:Anyone but Hillary.
Still have a few of those bumper stickers left over from 2008...

...given to me by a large (>250 employees) client...WOMAN/owner.

;)

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:33 pm
by travelinman67
Chizzang wrote:Explain this to me:

1) Is it bad that I don't care who our next president is...
2) and that I don't believe (regardless of who it is) that it'll make much difference

:ohno:
Apathy IS NEVER RIGHT. A large reason we are in the current predicament is due to apathetic/low info/single issue voters.

95% of African American voters voted for Obama primarily because of his skin color...

...thinking he would "even things" for minorities.

Really.

Dback not only wants a "progressive" who will represent his minority opinions, but wishes to SILENCE and PUNISH those who hold differing viewpoints. Again, an equally dysfunctional approach.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:45 pm
by Ibanez
travelinman67 wrote:
93henfan wrote:Anyone but Hillary.
Still have a few of those bumper stickers left over from 2008...

...given to me by a large (>250 employees) client...WOMAN/owner.

;)
Sadly, I know too many women that are voting for her only because she's a she.


Allegedly.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:50 pm
by JohnStOnge
If nothing else, up to 4 SCOTUS Justices could die/retire in the next 5 years. Who do you want on the court - crazed ideologues like Thomas/Scalia/Alito, or thoughtful jurists like Ginsburg?
I wonder if you really believe that. I wonder because the truth is that Thomas/Scalia/Alito believe at least to some extent in following the Constitution while Ginsburg doesn't give a crap about the Constitution at all. She's completely outcome oriented.

I guess you could say that all of them are ideologues. But with the first three the "ideology" is the idea that the Constitution should be followed while with Ginsburg the "ideology" is that the US Constitution is deeply flawed and a judge should find excuses for not following it.

The good news for your side is that liberals can be confident that a liberal who doesn't give a crap about the Constitution will act like a liberal who doesn't give a crap about the Constitution when they are appointed to the Supreme Court. It's pretty obvious that conservatives take much more of a chance when they appoint somebody they THINK is going to be inclined to follow the Constitution. All you have to do is look at big mistakes like Earl Warren, Sandra Day O'Conner, and now Anthony Kennedy to see that.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:05 pm
by D1B
Chizzang wrote:Explain this to me:

1) Is it bad that I don't care who our next president is...
2) and that I don't believe (regardless of who it is) that it'll make much difference

:ohno:

Your fatalism has become tiresome.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:10 pm
by D1B
travelinman67 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Explain this to me:

1) Is it bad that I don't care who our next president is...
2) and that I don't believe (regardless of who it is) that it'll make much difference

:ohno:
Apathy IS NEVER RIGHT. A large reason we are in the current predicament is due to apathetic/low info/single issue voters.

95% of African American voters voted for Obama primarily because of his skin color...

...thinking he would "even things" for minorities.

Really.

Dback not only wants a "progressive" who will represent his minority opinions, but wishes to SILENCE and PUNISH those who hold differing viewpoints. Again, an equally dysfunctional approach.
Most dumb whites voted for Romney because of his skin color.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:36 pm
by kalm
Chizzang wrote:Explain this to me:

1) Is it bad that I don't care who our next president is...
2) and that I don't believe (regardless of who it is) that it'll make much difference

:ohno:
In general, I agree with you but...

I voted for Nader thinking the same thing and I don't think Gore would have invaded Iraq.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:43 pm
by travelinman67
D1B wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Apathy IS NEVER RIGHT. A large reason we are in the current predicament is due to apathetic/low info/single issue voters.

95% of African American voters voted for Obama primarily because of his skin color...

...thinking he would "even things" for minorities.

Really.

Dback not only wants a "progressive" who will represent his minority opinions, but wishes to SILENCE and PUNISH those who hold differing viewpoints. Again, an equally dysfunctional approach.
Most dumb whites voted for Obama because of his skin color.
FIFY

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:08 pm
by D1B
travelinman67 wrote:
D1B wrote:
Most dumb whites voted for Obama because of his skin color.
FIFY
Breitbartman6.93 fail

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:09 pm
by AZGrizFan
dbackjon wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Explain this to me:

1) Is it bad that I don't care who our next president is...
2) and that I don't believe (regardless of who it is) that it'll make much difference

:ohno:

It makes a difference - if you care about:

The environment
Equality
The Economy

I know it is the bored hipster thing to say that it doesn't make a difference, but in reality, there is a world of difference between the two parties.

If nothing else, up to 4 SCOTUS Justices could die/retire in the next 5 years. Who do you want on the court - crazed ideologues like Thomas/Scalia/Alito, or thoughtful jurists like Ginsburg?

:lol: :lol:

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:10 pm
by D1B
Whites without college degrees vote republican- fact.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:13 pm
by AZGrizFan
D1B wrote:Whites without college degrees vote republican- fact.
They haven't gone to college and gotten brainwashed.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:15 pm
by D1B
AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

It makes a difference - if you care about:

The environment
Equality
The Economy

I know it is the bored hipster thing to say that it doesn't make a difference, but in reality, there is a world of difference between the two parties.

If nothing else, up to 4 SCOTUS Justices could die/retire in the next 5 years. Who do you want on the court - crazed ideologues like Thomas/Scalia/Alito, or thoughtful jurists like Ginsburg?

:lol: :lol:
Z - another 1percenter who never created a job for anyone, knows the world is fucked primarily due to unchecked capitalism, is in a scramble to accumulate wealth at all cost and spend this dishonest wealth on leisure. Meantime he leaves an utterly fucked up world to his children.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:16 pm
by AZGrizFan
D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:

:lol: :lol:
Z - another 1percenter who never created a job for anyone, knows the world is fucked primarily due to unchecked capitalism, is in a scramble to accumulate wealth at all cost and spend this dishonest wealth on leisure. Meantime he leaves an utterly fucked up world to his children.
Damn....he's onto me.... :suspicious:

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:16 pm
by Chizzang
AZGrizFan wrote:
D1B wrote:Whites without college degrees vote republican- fact.
They haven't gone to college and gotten brainwashed.
Yeah...
because nobody from the state of Utah has been brainwashed
just ask the 3 million Mormons

No brainwashing there :rofl:

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:20 pm
by AZGrizFan
Chizzang wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
They haven't gone to college and gotten brainwashed.
Yeah...
because nobody from the state of Utah has been brainwashed
just ask the 3 million Mormons

No brainwashing there :rofl:
No, they're brainwashed too....no argument there.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:37 pm
by D1B
AZGrizFan wrote:
D1B wrote:Whites without college degrees vote republican- fact.
They haven't gone to college and gotten brainwashed.
That didn't go to college cuz theyre fucking dumb and lazy. They're the confederate flag asses, religious dipshits, Brownshirt terrorists who do the dirty work for the 1 preventers, and old people scared shitless from listening to conservative radio.

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:42 pm
by AZGrizFan
D1B wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
They haven't gone to college and gotten brainwashed.
That didn't go to college cuz theyre fucking dumb and lazy. They're the confederate flag asses, religious dipshits, Brownshirt terrorists who do the dirty work for the 1 preventers, and old people scared shitless from listening to conservative radio.
Thanks, Mr. Massive Generalization...

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:47 pm
by Grizalltheway
AZGrizFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Yeah...
because nobody from the state of Utah has been brainwashed
just ask the 3 million Mormons

No brainwashing there :rofl:
No, they're brainwashed too....no argument there.
So, can we agree that there's very little independent thought left on either side of the spectrum? :coffee:

Re: our next president...

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:26 pm
by kalm
Grizalltheway wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
No, they're brainwashed too....no argument there.
So, can we agree that there's very little independent thought left on either side of the spectrum? :coffee:
I can agree with that. :nod: