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Feds announce crackdown on illegal firearms in NYC due to increased gun violence.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/06/15/ ... gun-crime/

The initiative comes as the NYPD is dealing with a surge in gun crimes. This past weekend alone, there were 13 shooting incidents – 17 victims, and two homicides.

And that tally did not include a shooting at a Brooklyn sports bar early Monday morning, where surveillance video showed a gunman opening fire just after closing and striking four people.

It happened around 2:15 a.m. in front of the D Avenue bar on Flatbush Avenue near Hawthorne Street in Prospect-Lefferts Gardens. A man who works at the bar, but did not want to be identified, said police were actually in front of the bar minutes before the shooting.

“We’ve been here for three years, (and) no incidents,” a man who works at D Avenue but did not want to identified told CBS2’s Diane Macedo. “And then stop-and-frisk has been repealed, so guys are walking around with guns again.”

Recipe for violence:
One bleeding heart Police Commissioner William Bratton who refuses to issue lawful CCW permits.
One socialist anti-gun, anti-constitutional protections Mayor Deblowhard
37,000 vilified Police Officers afraid to enforce the law under threat of prosecution
One federal government more concerned with gun confiscation from lawful citizens than from criminals.

travelinman67 wrote:Feds announce crackdown on illegal firearms in NYC due to increased gun violence.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/06/15/ ... gun-crime/

The initiative comes as the NYPD is dealing with a surge in gun crimes. This past weekend alone, there were 13 shooting incidents – 17 victims, and two homicides.

And that tally did not include a shooting at a Brooklyn sports bar early Monday morning, where surveillance video showed a gunman opening fire just after closing and striking four people.

It happened around 2:15 a.m. in front of the D Avenue bar on Flatbush Avenue near Hawthorne Street in Prospect-Lefferts Gardens. A man who works at the bar, but did not want to be identified, said police were actually in front of the bar minutes before the shooting.

“We’ve been here for three years, (and) no incidents,” a man who works at D Avenue but did not want to identified told CBS2’s Diane Macedo. “And then stop-and-frisk has been repealed, so guys are walking around with guns again.”

Recipe for violence:
One bleeding heart Police Commissioner William Bratton who refuses to issue lawful CCW permits.
One socialist anti-gun, anti-constitutional protections Mayor Deblowhard
37,000 vilified Police Officers afraid to enforce the law under threat of prosecution
One federal government more concerned with gun confiscation from lawful citizens than from criminals.

Mix together and add the worst racial relations in 50 years, let simmer for a couple months and PRESTO!

travelinman67 wrote:Feds announce crackdown on illegal firearms in NYC due to increased gun violence.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/06/15/ ... gun-crime/

The initiative comes as the NYPD is dealing with a surge in gun crimes. This past weekend alone, there were 13 shooting incidents – 17 victims, and two homicides.

And that tally did not include a shooting at a Brooklyn sports bar early Monday morning, where surveillance video showed a gunman opening fire just after closing and striking four people.

It happened around 2:15 a.m. in front of the D Avenue bar on Flatbush Avenue near Hawthorne Street in Prospect-Lefferts Gardens. A man who works at the bar, but did not want to be identified, said police were actually in front of the bar minutes before the shooting.

“We’ve been here for three years, (and) no incidents,” a man who works at D Avenue but did not want to identified told CBS2’s Diane Macedo. “And then stop-and-frisk has been repealed, so guys are walking around with guns again.”

Recipe for violence:
One bleeding heart Police Commissioner William Bratton who refuses to issue lawful CCW permits.
One socialist anti-gun, anti-constitutional protections Mayor Deblowhard
37,000 vilified Police Officers afraid to enforce the law under threat of prosecution
One federal government more concerned with gun confiscation from lawful citizens than from criminals.

All the liberals involved in this inhumane murder of US citizens should be removed from office and prosecuted.

It is illegal to keep guns from citizens and they need to be held accountable. Use extreme force if necessary.

"10 shot, one dead in two hours of weekend violence in Baltimore

.......The homicide is the second in August — a man was shot in the head early Saturday — after 45 people were killed in a record-setting month of July......"
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:http://www.naturalnews.com/050065_crime ... dment.html#

Too crowded anyway, helps thin the herd.

"Bratton: We can't repeat the 1970s after 22 shot

.....In East New York, nine people were shot and wounded at a barbecue. And in the Bronx, Christian Garcia, 20, was shot and killed, and two others struck when a gunman opened fire in a children's playground.....

.....The NYPD’s latest statistics show a 10% increase in murders through July 27th, compared to the same period last year.

Bratton says there are two main reasons.

One of them is because criminals are feeling empowered. The other reason, is police feel like they're under attack....."
http://www.myfoxny.com/story/29691206/b ... 970s-again" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Baltimore & NYC are what happens when you elect liberal donk, anti police mayors..

http://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/crime/a ... es-2015/5/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Editor's Notes
1. The FBI determined that Chicago's data were underreported, thus the city cannot be ranked relative to any other city. The FBI also determined that Chicago's data collection methodology for the offense of rape (which is included in violent crime) does not comply with national Uniform Crime Report guidelines.

Way to go Chicago.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:

travelinman67 wrote:Feds announce crackdown on illegal firearms in NYC due to increased gun violence.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/06/15/ ... gun-crime/



Recipe for violence:
One bleeding heart Police Commissioner William Bratton who refuses to issue lawful CCW permits.
One socialist anti-gun, anti-constitutional protections Mayor Deblowhard
37,000 vilified Police Officers afraid to enforce the law under threat of prosecution
One federal government more concerned with gun confiscation from lawful citizens than from criminals.

All the liberals involved in this inhumane murder of US citizens should be removed from office and prosecuted.

It is illegal to keep guns from citizens and they need to be held accountable. Use extreme force if necessary.

Inhumane murder? As opposed to what? Mercy killing?

EC(b)

So how are guns being kept away from law abiding citizens..?
Somebody needs to explain exactly how this is happening - I'm curious

Please cite the new laws that are keeping guns out of law abiding citizens hands (thank you)

Chizzang wrote:So how are guns being kept away from law abiding citizens..?
Somebody needs to explain exactly how this is happening - I'm curious

Please cite the new laws that are keeping guns out of law abiding citizens hands (thank you)

http://newyorkcityguns.com/getting-a-ny ... un-permit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ASUG8 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:So how are guns being kept away from law abiding citizens..?
Somebody needs to explain exactly how this is happening - I'm curious

Please cite the new laws that are keeping guns out of law abiding citizens hands (thank you)

http://newyorkcityguns.com/getting-a-ny ... un-permit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay so that site says:
once I've completed the process I can buy a handgun every 90 days forever and ever afterwards
However the initial process is lengthy

I don;t see how this infringes on the 2nd amendment "well regulated militia"
The 2nd amendment does not call for an unregulated armed populace... it says: "Well regulated"



The NYC regulations seem a tad excessive in the 90 day processing
but after that you're done

Chizzang wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
http://newyorkcityguns.com/getting-a-ny ... un-permit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay so that site says:
once I've completed the process I can buy a handgun every 90 days forever and ever afterwards
However the initial process is lengthy

I don;t see how this infringes on the 2nd amendment "well regulated militia"
The 2nd amendment does not call for an unregulated armed populace... it says: "Well regulated"



The NYC regulations seem a tad excessive in the 90 day processing
but after that you're done

They don't want to be next after the invasion of Texas is over....

Chizzang wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
http://newyorkcityguns.com/getting-a-ny ... un-permit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay so that site says:
once I've completed the process I can buy a handgun every 90 days forever and ever afterwards
However the initial process is lengthy

I don;t see how this infringes on the 2nd amendment "well regulated militia"
The 2nd amendment does not call for an unregulated armed populace... it says: "Well regulated"



The NYC regulations seem a tad excessive in the 90 day processing
but after that you're done

You do have to admit that making the process as rigorous as they do serves as a disincentive for a lot of folks to purchase a handgun in NY. SC is on the other end of the spectrum and likely a little too lax IMO. With every handgun I've purchased here I'm in and out of the store in under 15 minutes which includes the background check.

Meanwhile, having to wait 3-8 months in NY while the bad guys just grab a stolen weapon in minutes seems a little rough. I'm all for not selling to crazy people, and maybe a cooling off period of some sort should be in place for that person that's buying legally to do something bad in the heat of the moment.

There really isn't anything against the second amendment in the hoops that NY requires gun buyers to jump through, but making it full of red tape like this dissuades a lot of people from making the purchase.

ASUG8 wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Okay so that site says:
once I've completed the process I can buy a handgun every 90 days forever and ever afterwards
However the initial process is lengthy

I don;t see how this infringes on the 2nd amendment "well regulated militia"
The 2nd amendment does not call for an unregulated armed populace... it says: "Well regulated"



The NYC regulations seem a tad excessive in the 90 day processing
but after that you're done

You do have to admit that making the process as rigorous as they do serves as a disincentive for a lot of folks to purchase a handgun in NY. SC is on the other end of the spectrum and likely a little too lax IMO. With every handgun I've purchased here I'm in and out of the store in under 15 minutes which includes the background check.

Meanwhile, having to wait 3-8 months in NY while the bad guys just grab a stolen weapon in minutes seems a little rough. I'm all for not selling to crazy people, and maybe a cooling off period of some sort should be in place for that person that's buying legally to do something bad in the heat of the moment.

There really isn't anything against the second amendment in the hoops that NY requires gun buyers to jump through, but making it full of red tape like this dissuades a lot of people from making the purchase.

Fair enough... I don't disagree with that
But the 2nd amendment does say "Well Regulated" which implies what exactly..?
and don't all three cities listed in this thread as murder hubs

other article:
But she adds that gun ownership doesn't correlate well with homicide rates. "As examples, California (gun ownership at 21.3%) and Alaska (gun ownership at 57.8%) have the same murder rate...New York (ownership 18.0%) has the same murder rate as West Virginia (ownership 55.4%)."

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/new-yo ... on-6679088" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



on a national trend gun ownership is decreasing over time
numbers from the 60's to today show a decrease

Chizzang wrote: on a national trend gun ownership is decreasing over time
numbers from the 60's to today show a decrease

I have to admit that trend surprises me but I can't find anything quickly to refute it.

Chizzang wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
You do have to admit that making the process as rigorous as they do serves as a disincentive for a lot of folks to purchase a handgun in NY. SC is on the other end of the spectrum and likely a little too lax IMO. With every handgun I've purchased here I'm in and out of the store in under 15 minutes which includes the background check.

Meanwhile, having to wait 3-8 months in NY while the bad guys just grab a stolen weapon in minutes seems a little rough. I'm all for not selling to crazy people, and maybe a cooling off period of some sort should be in place for that person that's buying legally to do something bad in the heat of the moment.

There really isn't anything against the second amendment in the hoops that NY requires gun buyers to jump through, but making it full of red tape like this dissuades a lot of people from making the purchase.

Fair enough... I don't disagree with that
But the 2nd amendment does say "Well Regulated" which implies what exactly..?
and don't all three cities listed in this thread as murder hubs

other article:
But she adds that gun ownership doesn't correlate well with homicide rates. "As examples, California (gun ownership at 21.3%) and Alaska (gun ownership at 57.8%) have the same murder rate...New York (ownership 18.0%) has the same murder rate as West Virginia (ownership 55.4%)."

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/new-yo ... on-6679088" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



on a national trend gun ownership is decreasing over time
numbers from the 60's to today show a decrease

1000% wrong data

Chizzang wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
http://newyorkcityguns.com/getting-a-ny ... un-permit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay so that site says:
once I've completed the process I can buy a handgun every 90 days forever and ever afterwards
However the initial process is lengthy

I don;t see how this infringes on the 2nd amendment "well regulated militia"
The 2nd amendment does not call for an unregulated armed populace... it says: "Well regulated"



The NYC regulations seem a tad excessive in the 90 day processing
but after that you're done

This issue isn't so much "gun laws keeping legal buyers from buying", though a good number of morons continue to trumpet that card.

The issue is that gun laws, regardless how strict they are, clearly aren't keeping guns out of peoples hands who shouldn't have them and isn't stopping people from getting illegal guns.

That's the disconnect that both sides on this issue seem to miss.

I read, and granted I didn't research the validity of it, somewhere today that if Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans and I think NYC (or some group of 4 major cities) the US would fall to like 4th "best" murder rate per capita in the world rather than being 4th worst

clenz wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Okay so that site says:
once I've completed the process I can buy a handgun every 90 days forever and ever afterwards
However the initial process is lengthy

I don;t see how this infringes on the 2nd amendment "well regulated militia"
The 2nd amendment does not call for an unregulated armed populace... it says: "Well regulated"



The NYC regulations seem a tad excessive in the 90 day processing
but after that you're done

This issue isn't so much "gun laws keeping legal buyers from buying", though a good number of morons continue to trumpet that card.

The issue is that gun laws, regardless how strict they are, clearly aren't keeping guns out of peoples hands who shouldn't have them and isn't stopping people from getting illegal guns.

That's the disconnect that both sides on this issue seem to miss.

I read, and granted I didn't research the validity of it, somewhere today that if Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans and I think NYC (or some group of 4 major cities) the US would fall to like 4th "best" murder rate per capita in the world rather than being 4th worst

Does that ^ explain this..?
"gun ownership doesn't correlate well with homicide rates. "As examples, California (gun ownership at 21.3%) and Alaska (gun ownership at 57.8%) have the same murder rate...New York (ownership 18.0%) has the same murder rate as West Virginia (ownership 55.4%)."

clenz wrote: This issue isn't so much "gun laws keeping legal buyers from buying", though a good number of morons continue to trumpet that card.

The issue is that gun laws, regardless how strict they are, clearly aren't keeping guns out of peoples hands who shouldn't have them and isn't stopping people from getting illegal guns.

That's the disconnect that both sides on this issue seem to miss.

I read, and granted I didn't research the validity of it, somewhere today that if Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans and I think NYC (or some group of 4 major cities) the US would fall to like 4th "best" murder rate per capita in the world rather than being 4th worst

I'm not missing that point at all, in fact that's what I'm talking about. Draw whatever conclusion you want from the map below, but the states that make it more difficult to buy like NY, CA, IL, and most of the NE have lower ownership rates. I'd put money down that there's a correlation between legal owners and the difficulty in obtaining a weapon legally, but the bad guys will find a way to get handguns. I don't think that many people want to be subjected to personal interviews, reams of paperwork, aggressive background checks, and up to an 8 month waiting period for their info to be processed - it's just too much of a pain in the ass.

Again: "gun ownership doesn't correlate well with homicide rates. "As examples, California (gun ownership at 21.3%) and Alaska (gun ownership at 57.8%) have the same murder rate...New York (ownership 18.0%) has the same murder rate as West Virginia (ownership 55.4%)."

higher legal gun ownership rates do not mean its safer...
as this thread implies

Chizzang wrote:

ASUG8 wrote:
http://newyorkcityguns.com/getting-a-ny ... un-permit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay so that site says:
once I've completed the process I can buy a handgun every 90 days forever and ever afterwards
However the initial process is lengthy

I don;t see how this infringes on the 2nd amendment "well regulated militia"
The 2nd amendment does not call for an unregulated armed populace... it says: "Well regulated"



The NYC regulations seem a tad excessive in the 90 day processing
but after that you're done

Here is exactly what it says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

The second amendment clearly gives the people the right to keep and bear arms, anyone that thinks otherwise needs to go back to kindergarten and learn to read all over again. The sentence structure includes a couple concepts in the same sentence which clearly confuses the libtards. The day we lose the right to bear arms is the day we all become slaves to the government. We need not go back very far in history to see how a government can destroy an unarmed citizenry.

Chizzang wrote:Again: "gun ownership doesn't correlate well with homicide rates. "As examples, California (gun ownership at 21.3%) and Alaska (gun ownership at 57.8%) have the same murder rate...New York (ownership 18.0%) has the same murder rate as West Virginia (ownership 55.4%)."

higher legal gun ownership rates do not mean its safer...
as this thread implies

And wrong again

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:

Chizzang wrote:
Okay so that site says:
once I've completed the process I can buy a handgun every 90 days forever and ever afterwards
However the initial process is lengthy

I don;t see how this infringes on the 2nd amendment "well regulated militia"
The 2nd amendment does not call for an unregulated armed populace... it says: "Well regulated"



The NYC regulations seem a tad excessive in the 90 day processing
but after that you're done

Here is exactly what it says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

The second amendment clearly gives the people the right to keep and bear arms, anyone that thinks otherwise needs to go back to kindergarten and learn to read all over again. The sentence structure includes a couple concepts in the same sentence which clearly confuses the libtards. The day we lose the right to bear arms is the day we all become slaves to the government. We need not go back very far in history to see how a government can destroy an unarmed citizenry.

You'll want to keep up with the debate here ChaChi
Nobody is questioning the right of citizens to own guns (nobody)
We're discussing what "well regulated " means