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I thought this was pretty cool. No one is really even close.

One of the dumbest things Reagan ever did was attempt to get to a "600-ship Navy"...like it was some magical, mythical number that was going solve all the world's problems. I was in the Navy during the height of that buildup, and saw floating (barely) buckets of steel that NEVER left the pier, as a good stiff breeze would send them to the bottom....but they counted on our rolls as a ship in our arsenal. Some of these leaky buckets had bilge pumps running 24/7 just to keep them afloat. Smartest thing Bush I did was to begin culling these from the rolls, and closing unnecessary and duplicative military bases. Of course, it would have been SMARTER if the government had actually SAVED that money and returned it to the taxpayer, but of course, taht NEVER happens....

BEAT ARMY!

This should NOT be public knowledge....

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

Yeah, because no other country has spy satellites to count how many ships we have.

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

For someone that use to be in the military, you sure don't get it. Knowing the number of each ship is nothing. Who cares. What matters is the ISR, C2, C3i, C4i, C5ISR, etc... capabilites that each have. Those are what should remain secret or "for your eyes only" for the people that work on them.

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

Oh, good Lord.

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

I disagree. I think it should be posted out there MORE. So when some shithole decides to fuck with 'Merica, they will know beforehand what we bring to the table.

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

As my dad would say after 22 years in the Military...
If you peel potatoes in the kitchen for 3 years you think everything is top secret

Chizzang wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

As my dad would say after 22 years in the Military...
If you peel potatoes in the kitchen for 3 years you think everything is top secret

SH was the Navy version of an alter boy I believe. I'm not saying he didn't touch a tater though.

I knew a kid from back home that joined the Navy, his last name was Eader, Pronounced like "eater". WTF would he join the Navy of all branches.....................

GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I knew a kid from back home that joined the Navy, his last name was Eader, Pronounced like "eater". WTF would he join the Navy of all branches.....................

Did he have the same position in the Gloryhole that SuperHornet manned?

andy7171 wrote: Did he have the same position in the Gloryhole that SuperHornet manned?

Ibanez wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

For someone that use to be in the military, you sure don't get it. Knowing the number of each ship is nothing. Who cares. What matters is the ISR, C2, C3i, C4i, C5ISR, etc... capabilites that each have. Those are what should remain secret or "for your eyes only" for the people that work on them.

Everyone else jumps in to crack a joke; only Mark has a decent argument, and one that makes sense.

The only counter-argument I would have is that some of the larger ships (CVNs, LHA/LHDs, etc.) have personnel that would specialize in this stuff. It would be bad for other countries to have that info.

grizzaholic wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

<br abp="849">I disagree. I think it should be posted out there MORE. So when some shithole decides to fuck with 'Merica, they will know beforehand what we bring to the table.

Then, of course, is THIS argument. If I remember right, THIS was much of the basis of Reagan's 600-ship Navy, which I fully supported. Whatever problems AZ saw (and there's no arguing THAT; you can't argue first-hand knowledge) those pale in comparison to what the Sovs endured, which for the most part we didn't even know about. They were cannibalizing ships for parts to repair others. Morale was REALLY bad for the Sovs in that era. Morale was bad for us, too, but not nearly as much, because we could do at least SOME of what we were trained and paid to do. But grizza DOES have a good "bravado" argument....

SuperHornet wrote:This should NOT be public knowledge....

No kidding...it was dumb of the Navy to put all their ships down on paper like that.

Now that I know where they all are, I could take some scissors and sink them all in a minute or two.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw[/youtube]

They want you

And of course, we must follow-up with the obligatory ...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08[/youtube]

SuperHornet wrote:

Ibanez wrote: For someone that use to be in the military, you sure don't get it. Knowing the number of each ship is nothing. Who cares. What matters is the ISR, C2, C3i, C4i, C5ISR, etc... capabilites that each have. Those are what should remain secret or "for your eyes only" for the people that work on them.

Everyone else jumps in to crack a joke; only Mark has a decent argument, and one that makes sense.

The only counter-argument I would have is that some of the larger ships (CVNs, LHA/LHDs, etc.) have personnel that would specialize in this stuff. It would be bad for other countries to have that info.

grizzaholic wrote:<br abp="849">I disagree. I think it should be posted out there MORE. So when some shithole decides to fuck with 'Merica, they will know beforehand what we bring to the table.

Then, of course, is THIS argument. If I remember right, THIS was much of the basis of Reagan's 600-ship Navy, which I fully supported. Whatever problems AZ saw (and there's no arguing THAT; you can't argue first-hand knowledge) those pale in comparison to what the Sovs endured, which for the most part we didn't even know about. They were cannibalizing ships for parts to repair others. Morale was REALLY bad for the Sovs in that era. Morale was bad for us, too, but not nearly as much, because we could do at least SOME of what we were trained and paid to do. But grizza DOES have a good "bravado" argument....

The Russians don't need to know the number and type of ships we have to know we have military personnel experienced in certain technologies or certain weapon systems. Your "counter-argument" is moot. And if you don't think that countries don't know about our capabilities, then you must have never heard of RimPac? Hell, I went to a Fleet(Marine) Week for the USMC in Boston about 6 years ago and while they weren't saying exactly what our capabilities were with the COC, you can make good guesses by looking at the components which were on display.

I wonder if they'll get some practice with some Iranian boats soon.