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Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:07 pm
by houndawg
Boehner sole nominee in category of "Most fvcked in the ass by a black man outside of prison".
Does he secretly like it? Discuss.

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:24 pm
by Baldy
houndawg wrote:Boehner sole nominee in category of "Most fvcked in the ass by a black man outside of prison".
Does he secretly like it? Discuss.

Ummm...Boehner isn't in the Senate.

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:38 pm
by houndawg
Baldy wrote:houndawg wrote:Boehner sole nominee in category of "Most fvcked in the ass by a black man outside of prison".
Does he secretly like it? Discuss.

Ummm...Boehner isn't in the Senate.

yes, balsack, we know that, but the XL is Boehners baby and he can't get his good friend McConnell to deliver. I guess you could say the the President had his way with both other houses.
Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:54 pm
by LeadBolt
That's the way the system is supposed to work, and I'm glad to see it working as it should again, not being circumvented by Harry Reid's not allowing bills to be voted on, or being circumvented by bogus executive orders.

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:30 pm
by houndawg
LeadBolt wrote:That's the way the system is supposed to work, and I'm glad to see it working as it should again, not being circumvented by Harry Reid's not allowing bills to be voted on, or being circumvented by bogus executive orders.

Word is that McConnell and Boehner don't like each other and McConne relished the opportunity to stick it to Johnny B....

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:38 pm
by tribe_pride
LeadBolt wrote:That's the way the system is supposed to work, and I'm glad to see it working as it should again, not being circumvented by Harry Reid's not allowing bills to be voted on, or being circumvented by bogus executive orders.

Agreed. I am anti-filibuster and was when Democrats were the majority in the Senate so I believe that Reid and McConnell are in similar positions with respect to this. If the filibuster is to remain intact though, my thought is that if you are going to filibuster, you should be required to do it alone like Jefferson Smith did.
Otherwise, bring it up for a vote. Whether or not it passes is another story.
Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:39 pm
by LeadBolt
houndawg wrote:LeadBolt wrote:That's the way the system is supposed to work, and I'm glad to see it working as it should again, not being circumvented by Harry Reid's not allowing bills to be voted on, or being circumvented by bogus executive orders.

Word is that McConnell and Boehner don't like each other and McConne relished the opportunity to stick it to Johnny B....

Fine. The system is starting to work the way it should again. A small step admittedly, but it is not being subverted by Harry Reid any longer.
Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:42 pm
by Baldy
houndawg wrote:Baldy wrote:
Ummm...Boehner isn't in the Senate.

You're right. Thank you for correcting me, again.
You're welcome.

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:44 pm
by Baldy
LeadBolt wrote:houndawg wrote:
Word is that McConnell and Boehner don't like each other and McConne relished the opportunity to stick it to Johnny B....

Fine. The system is starting to work the way it should again. A small step admittedly, but it is not being subverted by Harry Reid any longer.
At least Obama can't hide under Harry's skirt any longer.

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:46 pm
by travelinman67
The majority of voters support the Keystone project.
Dems
Lose
Senate
And
More
House
Seats.
Dems
Don't
Learn.

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:54 pm
by kalm
travelinman67 wrote:The majority of voters support the Keystone project.
Dems
Lose
Senate
And
More
House
Seats.
Dems
Don't
Learn.

Huh? Why wasn't the veto over-ridden?
Turns out…it depends how you ask the question. Keep in mind that most voters also supported Obama twice.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -back-key/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:25 am
by DSUrocks07
kalm wrote:travelinman67 wrote:The majority of voters support the Keystone project.
Dems
Lose
Senate
And
More
House
Seats.
Dems
Don't
Learn.

Huh? Why wasn't the veto over-ridden?
Turns out…it depends how you ask the question. Keep in mind that most voters also supported Obama twice.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -back-key/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So you're saying that media spin works on the American sheeple...i mean the American public?
Water is also wet you know?

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:51 am
by kalm
DSUrocks07 wrote:
So you're saying that media spin works on the American sheeple...i mean the American public?
Water is also wet you know?

American voters also support gay marriage, legalization of weed, social security benefits, and single payer healthcare

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:17 pm
by BDKJMU
kalm wrote:DSUrocks07 wrote:
So you're saying that media spin works on the American sheeple...i mean the American public?
Water is also wet you know?

American voters also support gay marriage, legalization of weed, social security benefits, and single payer healthcare

You're would be right on all the issues if you had said the majority of Americans. But you implied the majority of American
voters, which isn't the same.
Wrong on a majority of voters supporting gay marriage. Maybe a plurality of Americans polled have shown that. Maybe there's even a nationwide poll(s) showing a majority of likely voters support it. But so far, its been shown that a majority of actual voters haven't supported it. Regardless of what any polls say, of the people who vote have actually voted on gay marriage at the polls in the last decade in 38 states, in 34 they have voted to keep marriage between a man & a woman.
On Marijuana Polls since late 2014:
Support for marijuana legalization is at 51% according to Nov 2014 Gallup. It was random sampling. It wasn't conducted among likely voters, and it was within the +/- 4 point margin of error to be over/under a plurality for either side of the issue.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/179195/major ... ation.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nov 2014 Pew is at 52% support, but it was random sampling. It wasn't conducted among likely voters, and it was within the margin of error to be over/under a plurality for either side of the issue.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... marijuana/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I can't find any national poll of
likely voters in the last year showing a majority supports it.
On single payer you might be right. Latest national poll, this one of likely voters, showed just over 50% supported single payer, still within the margin of error to be a plurality either for or against.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/22 ... poll-finds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No disagreement on social security. I would say on those other 3 issues America is pretty equally divided.
Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:33 pm
by kalm
BDKJMU wrote:kalm wrote:
American voters also support gay marriage, legalization of weed, social security benefits, and single payer healthcare

You're would be right on all the issues if you had said the majority of Americans. But you implied the majority of American
voters, which isn't the same.
Wrong on a majority of voters supporting gay marriage. Maybe a plurality of Americans polled have shown that. Maybe there's even a nationwide poll(s) showing a majority of likely voters support it. But so far, its been shown that a majority of actual voters haven't supported it. Regardless of what any polls say, of the people who vote have actually voted on gay marriage at the polls in the last decade in 38 states, in 34 they have voted to keep marriage between a man & a woman.
On Marijuana Polls since late 2014:
Support for marijuana legalization is at 51% according to Nov 2014 Gallup. It was random sampling. It wasn't conducted among likely voters, and it was within the +/- 4 point margin of error to be over/under a plurality for either side of the issue.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/179195/major ... ation.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nov 2014 Pew is at 52% support, but it was random sampling. It wasn't conducted among likely voters, and it was within the margin of error to be over/under a plurality for either side of the issue.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... marijuana/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On single payer you might be right. Latest national poll, this one of likely voters, showed just over 50% supported single payer, still within the margin of error to be a plurality either for or against.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/22 ... poll-finds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No disagreement on social security. I would say on those other 3 issues America is pretty equally divided.
Ok...majority of Americans.....

Re: Senate override of keystone veto fails
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:57 pm
by SuperHornet
kalm wrote:Huh? Why wasn't the veto over-ridden?
GOP has a majority, but not a "veto majority." The Constitution requires a 2/3 re-vote in BOTH HOUSES (starting in the House in which the bill originated) to override a veto. The GOP had a basic majority, but needed cross-over help. They may have gotten SOME, but clearly not enough.
They did what the had to do philosophically, but it just didn't work out. They can always bring it up again after the 2016 election....