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Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:59 pm
by Skjellyfetti
The Alabama Supreme Court ordered a halt Tuesday to same-sex marriages in the state despite a U.S. Supreme Court order allowing them to proceed. The ruling capped a wild month of confusion and resistance in Alabama following a January decision by a U.S. district court invalidating Alabama’s ban on gay marriage.
The Alabama justices were defiant. “As it has done for approximately two centuries,” the court said, “Alabama law allows for ‘marriage’ between only one man and one woman.” Alabama judges have a duty “not to issue any marriage license contrary to this law. Nothing in the United States Constitution alters or overrides this duty.”
The resistance in Alabama, where states’ rights has always been sacred writ and state supreme court justices are elected rather than appointed, has been compared by many to that state’s resistance to school desegregation orders in the 1963, when Gov. George Wallace (D) stood in the doorway of the University of Alabama to prevent the court-ordered enrollment of black students.
“The ruling of the Alabama Supreme Court offers the most forceful and clearly articulated rebuttal to date of the imaginative arguments for same-sex ‘marriage’ employed by federal courts,” said a statement from the Liberty Counsel, which challenged the lower court ruling.
What happens next is unclear. Presumably someone will go back to the federal courts to overturn the ruling. But short of a ruling on gay marriage by the nation’s highest court, which isn’t expected for months, the standoff seems likely to continue. The Alabama court suggested that it would be bound by the U.S. Supreme Court but nothing lower than that.
Indeed, the state’s highest court declared itself equally empowered as the lower federal courts to decide whether Alabama’s ban on same-sex marriage violates the Constitution — stating unequivocally that it does not in what amounted to a broadside against the trend of courts invalidating same-sex marriage bans.
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Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:49 pm
by dbackjon
They all need to be arrested.
Obama needs to send the troops to Montgomery.
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:13 pm
by Baldy
What's the big deal?
We don't see you guys hyperventilating this much when Obama nullifies and doesn't enforce written laws he doesn't agree with.

Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:35 pm
by dbackjon
Baldy wrote:What's the big deal?
We don't see you guys hyperventilating this much when Obama nullifies and doesn't enforce written laws he doesn't agree with.

Example please
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:49 pm
by tribe_pride
dbackjon wrote:Baldy wrote:What's the big deal?
We don't see you guys hyperventilating this much when Obama nullifies and doesn't enforce written laws he doesn't agree with.

Example please
Federal Marijuana laws.
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:51 pm
by LeadBolt
dbackjon wrote:They all need to be arrested.
Obama needs to send the troops to Montgomery.
Way too many of those in same sex marriages to arrest them all. Oh, wait that's not what you meant...

Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:26 pm
by AZGrizFan
tribe_pride wrote:dbackjon wrote:
Example please
Federal Marijuana laws.
Border control
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:34 pm
by Ibanez
dbackjon wrote:They all need to be arrested.
Obama needs to send the troops to Montgomery.
While I disagree with Alabama, you always go overboard. Send troops for what? Don't be so reactionary.
Bleeding hearts of the world...UNITE!!!
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:52 pm
by andy7171
Ibanez wrote:dbackjon wrote:They all need to be arrested.
Obama needs to send the troops to Montgomery.
While I disagree with Alabama, you always go overboard. Send troops for what? Don't be so reactionary.
Bleeding hearts of the world...UNITE!!!
This.
God love him, dback was acting like bibi insulted the entire country and constitution yesterday.
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:10 pm
by Chizzang
And since when did anybody care what happens in Alabama..?

Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:59 pm
by SDHornet
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:38 pm
by Chizzang
I was only partially being sarcastic...
Alabama is at the bottom (or near bottom) in every category that matters - as far as "being a state" is concerned, hell if they don;t care why should anybody else...
Every time I check some statistic Alabama is 49th or 50th
battling it out with Mississippi on who can suck the most at being a state
If you're not talking about college football
Then there's almost no reason (ever) to talk about Alabama
Unless you're measuring State-Wide Suckage - which they happen to accel at powerfully

Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:02 pm
by LeadBolt
Chizzang wrote:
I was only partially being sarcastic...
Alabama is at the bottom (or near bottom) in every category that matters - as far as "being a state" is concerned, hell if they don;t care why should anybody else...
Every time I check some statistic Alabama is 49th or 50th
battling it out with Mississippi on who can suck the most at being a state
If you're not talking about college football
Then there's almost no reason (ever) to talk about Alabama
Unless you're measuring
State-Wide Suckage - which they happen to accel at powerfully

Perhaps having such a powerful State-Wide Suckage eliminates the need for gay marriage...
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:51 pm
by Ivytalk
dbackjon wrote:They all need to be arrested.
Obama needs to send the troops to Montgomery.
He'll send troops to Montgomery before he'll send them after ISIS. What a punk.
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:58 pm
by BDKJMU
AZGrizFan wrote:tribe_pride wrote:
Federal Marijuana laws.
Border control
Immigration in general.
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:58 pm
by BDKJMU
dbackjon wrote:They all need to be arrested.
Obama needs to send the troops to Montgomery.
No the fed govt needs to butt out of what is a state issue..
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:01 pm
by kalm
Ivytalk wrote:dbackjon wrote:They all need to be arrested.
Obama needs to send the troops to Montgomery.
He'll send troops to Montgomery before he'll send them after ISIS. What a punk.
We've launched 100's of sorties against ISIS and literally have troops on the ground orchestrating Iraqi Army counterinsurgency efforts.

Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:01 pm
by kalm
BDKJMU wrote:dbackjon wrote:They all need to be arrested.
Obama needs to send the troops to Montgomery.
No the fed govt needs to butt out of what is a state issue..
Like civil rights?
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:02 pm
by Skjellyfetti
BDKJMU wrote:dbackjon wrote:They all need to be arrested.
Obama needs to send the troops to Montgomery.
No the fed govt needs to butt out of what is a state issue..
So, Loving v. Virginia is unconstitutional and anti-miscegenation laws should be left to the states?
States lost their prerogative on civil rights.

Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:17 pm
by BDKJMU
kalm wrote:BDKJMU wrote:
No the fed govt needs to butt out of what is a state issue..
Like civil rights?
Alabama isn't denying any. Any man can marry any woman in Alabama, and any woman can marry any man. The Constitution says nothing about gay marriage..
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:31 pm
by kalm
BDKJMU wrote:kalm wrote:
Like civil rights?
Alabama isn't denying any. Any man can marry any woman in Alabama, and any woman can marry any man. The Constitution says nothing about gay marriage..
The constitution doesn't say anything about marriage or latent homosexuality either.
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:35 pm
by YoUDeeMan
Chizzang wrote:
Unless you're measuring State-Wide Suckage - which they happen to accel at powerfully

Yeah, but how far can they go on a battery with that type of acceleration?
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:38 pm
by Skjellyfetti
BDKJMU wrote:
Alabama isn't denying any. Any man can marry any woman in Alabama, and any woman can marry any man. The Constitution says nothing about gay marriage..
And, the same arguments were made by anti-miscegenation mouthbreathers 50 years ago.
A black man is still free to marry a black woman. A black woman is still free to marry any black woman. No rights are being violated!!

Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:42 pm
by YoUDeeMan
Re: Alabama and Nullification:
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:47 pm
by kalm
Hey! Did I say that situation was optimal and pure?
BTW, please don't mention this to Bibi.
